ghosts

[davidh]

Kinda like time travel.

Why has, in all time, no one came back?

how do u know they havent????

 

[donshaggy]

aye cos if i was ghost i would hang around in cupboards

funny shat!!!lol

 

[richyrich]

Good interview with Derren Brown who was lapped up by the psychic community when in the states and exposed them for what they are. Some of them really believe they got powers but that don't make it true.


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xswt8B8-UTM[/ame]

6 vids in all.

 

[Messa]

What man?

If you believe none of this, then how can you believe in the man?

:err:

Its called hedging your bets pal, I don't but just in case I am wrong.

Kinda like time travel.

Why has, in all time, no one came back?

Because it stands to reason that time travel will only be possible back to the point in time that time travel is discovered.


@ DavidH - I am honestly not knocking you pal, I have friends and family who are believers and I must admit I am sometimes jealous of the comfort that gives them. I think I struggle with the fact that after everything that is written and spoken about all this over hundreds of years, there is not one single solitary cast iron shred of proof.

 

[Utopie]

Good interview with Derren Brown who was lapped up by the psychic community when in the states and exposed them for what they are. Some of them really believe they got powers but that don't make it true.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xswt8B8-UTM

6 vids in all.

Ahhhh, Darren Brown... The last bastian of the cynic. All he does is provide evidence that fake psychics exist... Nothing more mate. I had a fake £20 note once, does that mean that all money is fake?

 

[v14]

Ahhhh, Darren Brown... The last bastian of the cynic. All he does is provide evidence that fake psychics exist... Nothing more mate. I had a fake £20 note once, does that mean that all money is fake?

So Derren Brown provided evidence that fake psychics exist.

Has anyone provided any evidence ever that genuine ones exist?


Nope, not one single shred.

IMHO it's a load of horse shit.
As someone mentioned before, James Randi has $1000000 for anyone who can demonstrate otherwise.

 

[richyrich]

He does a bit more than that m8. He shows the techniques and TRICKS!!!! used and perfects them himself. Then performs them better than most of them could ever do.

Take Davidh, a lovely bloke I'm sure, if a liitle misguided in this respect. I don't know how many readings he has done, say 500 and he has got 2 hits. Law of averages dictate he will get something right at sometime if he does it often enough and to me even them two are pretty lame.

Take the "Black reading", notice how he never said "surname Black" just something vaguely black, she could of easily have had a black dog and then they would of made that fit. Also a fob watch which the old man could of just as easily been lying about, which is mroe probable a lying human being or someone who can speak to the dead.

They just wan't to believe it so much that they make things fit to their world view.

 

[davidh]

the problem is you cannot demand from spirit the same as i cannot demand from you
i know this seems like a cop out

but if i came up to you as a complete stranger and then started asking you questions you will tell me to fook off
same as in the spirit world
we dont change when we cross over
we dont grow wings and sit on clouds playing the harp
we continue to excist but on a different plain
we then can choose to sit on our arses or help ppl down in the earth plain


but each to there own beliefs

i am signing off now
i dont have any more to say on this

 

[Utopie]

So Derren Brown provided evidence that fake psychics exist.

Has anyone provided any evidence ever that genuine ones exist?


Nope, not one single shred.

IMHO it's a load of horse shit.
As someone mentioned before, James Randi has $1000000 for anyone who can demonstrate otherwise.

James Randi is a cynic and an athiest. A twister of the truth and an illusionist - an ex-magician. There are many skeptics who are involved in the same organisations as Randi and refute his test as tripe - for many reasons... You can take a look at this if you want... It isn't as black and white as people here are trying to make out.

The Myth of the Million Dollar Challenge | TDG - Science, Magick, Myth and History

Your beleifs are your own, but cynics like Randi try and reinforce their own by jeering and attacking beleifs oposite to theirs.

 

[davidh]

He does a bit more than that m8. He shows the techniques and TRICKS!!!! used and perfects them himself. Then performs them better than most of them could ever do.

Take Davidh, a lovely bloke I'm sure, if a liitle misguided in this respect. I don't know how many readings he has done, say 500 and he has got 2 hits. Law of averages dictate he will get something right at sometime if he does it often enough and to me even them two are pretty lame.

Take the "Black reading", notice how he never said "surname Black" just something vaguely black, she could of easily have had a black dog and then they would of made that fit. Also a fob watch which the old man could of just as easily been lying about.

They just wan't to believe it so much that they make things fit to their world view.

i have had a lot more than 2 hits lol
if you take on average 15s readings per service
and i have been a working medium since 1993 and if i get 1 or 2 wrong
that is my mistake because spirit dont get them wrong

and why
as u say vaguely black

spirit dont sit and talk your ear off
they try to get the message over as quick as possible
they know our time is limited on the earth plain in spirit it is for ever

i know i said last time but i had to answer you

 

[ManofScience]

James Randi is a cynic and an athiest. A twister of the truth and an illusionist - an ex-magician. There are many skeptics who are involved in the same organisations as Randi and refute his test as tripe - for many reasons... You can take a look at this if you want... It isn't as black and white as people here are trying to make out.

The Myth of the Million Dollar Challenge | TDG - Science, Magick, Myth and History

Your beleifs are your own, but cynics like Randi try and reinforce their own by jeering and attacking beleifs oposite to theirs.

what does him being a cynic and an athiest have to do with it? he's trying to get proof, measurable proof to back up the facts. he's hardly jeering.

i used to think i was an atheist but i hope i'm more agnostic and that i'd like to believe but need some hard facts and figures.

 

[richyrich]

James Randi is a cynic and an athiest. A twister of the truth and an illusionist - an ex-magician. There are many skeptics who are involved in the same organisations as Randi and refute his test as tripe - for many reasons... You can take a look at this if you want... It isn't as black and white as people here are trying to make out.

The Myth of the Million Dollar Challenge | TDG - Science, Magick, Myth and History

Your beleifs are your own, but cynics like Randi try and reinforce their own by jeering and attacking beleifs oposite to theirs.

Then surely the best way to shut him up is for one of your lot to pass his test and you call him a cynic and athiest as if that's a negitive...lol.

 

[richyrich]

i have had a lot more than 2 hits lol
if you take on average 15s readings per service
and i have been a working medium since 1993 and if i get 1 or 2 wrong
that is my mistake because spirit dont get them wrong

and why
as u say vaguely black

spirit dont sit and talk your ear off
they try to get the message over as quick as possible
they know our time is limited on the earth plain in spirit it is for ever

i know i said last time but i had to answer you

You might have had more hits but how vague are they??? because your best 2 don't hold up to scrutiny and why does it have to be so quick?? what you can't spare 15mins for the full sp on the afterlife?? life ain't that short.

 

[Utopie]

You's can read the link I post if you want.

Fact is you's are not going to be convinced until you get your own evidence. Fact is plenty of cynics have been turned into believers over night, and it might happen to you lot one day, and it might not. Science will never ever be able to prove everything, maybe some things are not ment to be proved, maybe there is a force out there far greater than the greatest scientific mind that has ever existed on Earth - how would you know becasue you could never prove that. LOL

Common sense can be measured, and commen sense would tell, me at least, the fact I even have the conscienceness to discusse such things and contemplate them, that things are not quite as they would first apear.

Not much more you can add really without doing a 360 and going over over ground again.

 

[v14]

James Randi is a cynic and an athiest. A twister of the truth and an illusionist - an ex-magician. There are many skeptics who are involved in the same organisations as Randi and refute his test as tripe - for many reasons... You can take a look at this if you want... It isn't as black and white as people here are trying to make out.

The Myth of the Million Dollar Challenge | TDG - Science, Magick, Myth and History

Your beleifs are your own, but cynics like Randi try and reinforce their own by jeering and attacking beleifs oposite to theirs.

Isn't it human nature to be cynical about things which haven't been proved?

And what does being an atheist have to do with it? Atheism merely implies a lack of belief in god or gods, where is the evidence that god exists?

Why should we believe what can't be proved?






Which twisted truths in particular are you referring to?

 

[richyrich]

James Randi is a cynic and an athiest. A twister of the truth and an illusionist - an ex-magician. There are many skeptics who are involved in the same organisations as Randi and refute his test as tripe - for many reasons... You can take a look at this if you want... It isn't as black and white as people here are trying to make out.

The Myth of the Million Dollar Challenge | TDG - Science, Magick, Myth and History

Your beleifs are your own, but cynics like Randi try and reinforce their own by jeering and attacking beleifs oposite to theirs.

just read the article fully and it's just some are saying it might be to hard to pass from RIVAL organisations...and Randi reply was:
Randi: "What Auerbach purposely fails to understand – in order to have an argument – is that a pole-vaulter should be able to pole-vault, a cook should be able to cook, and a psychic should be able to do what he/she claims, to better than 1/100 odds."

 

[ManofScience]

Science will never ever be able to prove everything, maybe some things are not ment to be proved, maybe there is a force out there far greater than the greatest scientific mind that has ever existed on Earth - how would you know becasue you could never prove that. LOL

you know, for a fact, that science will NEVER prove it exists AND that we will NEVER understand it? there's the human nature of arrogance, to say that we aren't evolving anymore and that we WON'T evolve anymore and that we've reached our highest we could ever achieve.

and you call the cynics narrow minded? come off it. in 1000 years, if humans haven't killed themselves/destroyed the world, we will know FAR more than we know now and have much greater understanding of the world THRU science, exploring and seeking new knowledge rather than trying to use todays limited knowledge to explain things we are maybe uncapable of understanding. just accept, we don't know the truth instead of trying to say it's 1 thing or another.

 

[señor ding dong]

and you call the cynics narrow minded? come off it. in 1000 years, if humans haven't killed themselves/destroyed the world, we will know FAR more than we know now and have much greater understanding of the world THRU science, exploring and seeking new knowledge rather than trying to use todays limited knowledge to explain things we are maybe uncapable of understanding. just accept, we don't know the truth instead of trying to say it's 1 thing or another.

Yes, science is a complex puzzle, which currently has a few pieces missing, but which every day paints a clearer and clearer picture and chips away at the very foundation of faith/religion, which, for the sake of comparison, is more like the finger paintings of a 3-year old.

Like I said earlier, this doesn't necessarily mean that these self-proclaimed mediums might not have a talent or a "gift" for something, at least those who aren't deliberately deceiving people, but to believe that they're talking to the dead is as absurd as primitive man thinking thunder was God's anger, or that rain was his tears. Science would like to try and understand what it is mediums are actually doing, but the faithful are happy in the belief about what they think it is. That's a crucial difference. Intellectual curiosity vs willful ignorance.

 

[ManofScience]

anyways - i need a fix for nag3 - whos' got it? is it ready yet?












/joke.

 

[richyrich]

you know, for a fact, that science will NEVER prove it exists AND that we will NEVER understand it? there's the human nature of arrogance, to say that we aren't evolving anymore and that we WON'T evolve anymore and that we've reached our highest we could ever achieve.

and you call the cynics narrow minded? come off it. in 1000 years, if humans haven't killed themselves/destroyed the world, we will know FAR more than we know now and have much greater understanding of the world THRU science, exploring and seeking new knowledge rather than trying to use todays limited knowledge to explain things we are maybe uncapable of understanding. just accept, we don't know the truth instead of trying to say it's 1 thing or another.

My sentiments exactly.

I've got faith, faith in the human race. Look at what we have achieved already, not Gods or fairys, us, human beings, albiet ones far more brilliant than me but humans all the same. This is why I get pissed off with all this religion and paranormal rubbish, I just feel it is holding us back, stopping us from moving forward at a pace which could be so much quicker with out it. We have got massive problems on the horizon with Global warming and fossil fuel shortage and I know I will be putting my faith in us, humans, to solve it and not some God or powerful force.

Rant over.