India hotel and railway attacks kill five and injure dozens

[stevemac40]

However the argument you often hear as a rebuttal is that mainstream news doesnt show the "truth".

Its amazing how the truth always seems to get leaked by some tattooed neanderthal sitting at his computer desk in Dagenham.

 

[Munkey]

I do not believe in terrorism m8, any muslim involved in terrorism is not a muslim in my view. I was just justifying the comments you made about Pakistani killing Indians in former east pakistan. You seem to blame everything on muslims when Indian are not the only innocent party in all of this but the root course.

Earlier you condoned the killings in Mumbai by saying they were justified because of the fighting in Kashmir :err:

I think its even. Indian massacre innocent muslims in indian ocupied Kashmir and the world turns a blind eye to the attrocities commited there. The root course of terrorism in India is due to the Indian occupation of Kashmir. If the Kashmir issue is ressolved terrorism in India can be rooted out.

Kill Kill Kill and then blame the people that you killed for being the problem. This is the point I illustrated with my earlier posts regarding Islamic sympathy for Nazism and the promotion of the murder of non Muslims.

If it's not Kashmir then it's Palestine. If it's not Palestine then its something else...Your views that support the murder of innocents if it 'evens things up' are typical of modern day radical Islamists.

 

[stevemac40]

Earlier you condoned the killings in Mumbai by saying they were justified because of the fighting in Kashmir :err:



Kill Kill Kill and then blame the people that you killed for being the problem. This is the point I illustrated with my earlier posts regarding Islamic sympathy for Nazism and the promotion of the murder of non Muslims.

If it's not Kashmir then it's Palestine. If it's not Palestine then its something else...Your views that support the murder of innocents if it 'evens things up' are typical of modern day radical Islamists.

I think I follow and agree with what your saying here, ultimately you're saying that reasons may be given for terrorism, however there is ultimately no justification. A view i'm sure most agree with.

Getting even isn't just a view of Islamic terrorists, it's a view that is commonly shared by all terrorists. And unfortunately reading some of the posts on here, it seems to be a view of a lot of people on here as well (allbeit on a smaller scale).

 

[pks00]

The link posted was a response to the link posted by someone else.

What Im pointing out is these kind of sites do not help. Most of it is propaganda but feeds hatred.
I am genuinely interested in how one can talk about kashmir and killing of innocents but that is no way related to persecution in another country.

Karym, I know not all muslims are terrorists. I have many firends who are muslims. I am not complaining (though maybe Im giving that impression, lol)

 

[pks00]

you are giving that impression unfortunately.

Tit for tat actions only justify some peoples views over terrorism. Saying that you only did something in retalliation to someone else actions exemplifys this.

On that note then I apologise if I offended anyone. That was not my intention. But I am still interested in what one would say if they talk about atrocities from A to B and vice versa.

 

[pks00]

true. religion is always a hot topic. not only as the cause of wars but also in forums

We should get back into focus and look at the news instrad. Apparently it is still going on. Im watching sky news now. The Jewish centre ordeal looks to be over.

They mentioned earlier links to Pakistan, especially that Lakshar Taiban group. If they prove it then god knows what would happen to the fragile relationship they hold.
Pakistan are having their own problems as well. Looks like some people not happy by the relationship that is forming between these two nations.

 

[pks00]

I notice that British pakistani's always get a mention. It is unproven as is the links to Taibar. Until proven otherwise, iits all hearsay.

 

[Dream Unlocker]

One thing that strikes me is that Islam needs one focal point, one part of the community to say loudly and clearly that terrorism isnt part of Islam.

There seems to me that there is no central voice.

Finally someone realises ... islam is blamed for the acts of which muslims do why should islam come in to disgrace ?

 

[ekwat]

The hotel is owned by our parent company, TATA. There was an announcement in work last night it saying several of it's employees were killed. It's a mad world

 

[pks00]

The hotel is owned by our parent company, TATA. There was an announcement in work last night it saying several of it's employees were killed. It's a mad world

Apparently general manager's wife and kids shot dead.

Sickening

I was reading some of the earlier posts and spotted one I missed before. Apparently Indians seem to be the root cause. Well thats how I read it. Hmmm,

Anyways, lets ignore that. 5 hostages dead in the jewish centre.

Not sure what these terrorists have acheived. They still havent learnt that no matter what, no democratic nation is going give in. I guess they are too f-ing stupid to understand that.

 

[pks00]

They have made a rather dramatic impact on India.

Now old hatreds will be rekindled and more people across the world will blindly hate on the muslims - regardless if they did or not.

Does anyone know the story of the persecution of Jews during the first half of last century at all?

Your right, old hatreds will be rekindled. And Im sure there will be retalliations in some quarters without any media attention.

Are you talking about the christian persecution?

Those days were different, not that I am condoning it. Im just saying people nowadays are more civilised and the world is less tolerant to things like that.

 

[stevemac40]

Those days were different, not that I am condoning it. Im just saying people nowadays are more civilised and the world is less tolerant to things like that.

Every decade has always assumed itself less tolerant than their less civilised history, yet attrocities have always happened.

Lets hope that in 200years time the world will be even less tolerant. To put it into perspective though, we have a lot less to worry about than our parents and grandparents had.

 

[Munkey]

I think I follow and agree with what your saying here, ultimately you're saying that reasons may be given for terrorism, however there is ultimately no justification. A view i'm sure most agree with.

Getting even isn't just a view of Islamic terrorists, it's a view that is commonly shared by all terrorists. And unfortunately reading some of the posts on here, it seems to be a view of a lot of people on here as well (allbeit on a smaller scale).

LOL That is what I'm getting at.

Following on from sakiblateefs comments, there is never any justification for killing innocent people, it is downright inhumane and wrong. Islamist radicals are just cowards, they dare not attack any military targets in Kashmir or try and fight the army as they would get their asses whooped. The thing is radicals such as sakiblateef are easily led to believe this crap. If the Mumbai attacks had anything to do with Kashmir then the terrorists wouldn't have gone looking for English and American citizens, nor would they have attacked the Jews. This is plain good ol fashioned Nazism. I did earlier post some very past good examples of this but there was no constructive criticism of my post. Instead you get folk like google dependent nara talking their usual garbage going after the poster rather than having the mental capacity to try and intellectually invalidate any points made.

Pakistan came out and condemned the attacks, that is good but how many muslims have come out and condemned these attacks?

Unfortunately the Pakistani government has lost control of it's country, they are financially more broke than Iceland and have also lost control and the confidence of the people. It is sad times for them as radicalism is sweeping through the country. The amount of terror attacks in Pakistan goes up by the day and there is nothing that the government can do about it. Unfortunately they supported the terrorists when they were fighting India but now that the terrorists are shitting on their doorstep they do not like it one bit.

I'm afraid that Munkey has a bit of a blind spot on this subject. The Partition massacres seem to have escaped his attention.

Blame your ancestors the blood hungry Imperialist British if you are looking for a scapegoat.

Lets get this straight, terrorists have no religion, a religion is a symbol of civiizatio and no civolized human being wil wish to kill other innocent people.

Whilst I would love to agree with you, you must try and understand what Islamic religious doctrine promotes, separation, inequality, religious heirachy and so forth. What it should promote is equality between all men and women regardless of their religion, geographical location or sex.

munkey only focuses on the muslims/islam no mentioning of the thousands that were massacared by the hindu fundamentalist, nationalists, extremist and terrorist during gujrat riots.

plus no mention about the many brutal slaying of christians in india by hindu terrorists which is going on nowadays and which not mentined greatly on the western media.

i see them the same light as the muslim terrorists whatever.

they are all scum

hiindu extremist/fundamentalist way of treating the minority muslim community of india

Hindu Terrorists oppress Muslims in India

Care to provide me with links or any reference reading material that is not from your usual radical Islamist sources?

Those attacks you mention up top were revenge attacks, you can't expect Hindus to sit on their asses whilst they are being brutalised by Muslims. What your point really should have been was that foreign Muslim terrorists come into India, kill non Mulsims and sod off back to where they came from. The people that survive go and take their grief out on local Muslims for hiding the foreign terrorists in their homes.

LOL Stop reading all that crap from those radical sites or you may get a free trip to Guantanamo one day. (If you do see 72 virgins save one for the infidel Munkey :Laugh: )

They are also mentioning that there are some British people responsible for the attacks as well

British born unemployed Pakistanis, no way I don't believe it for one minute.

 

[sakiblateef]

Earlier you condoned the killings in Mumbai by saying they were justified because of the fighting in Kashmir :err:



Kill Kill Kill and then blame the people that you killed for being the problem. This is the point I illustrated with my earlier posts regarding Islamic sympathy for Nazism and the promotion of the murder of non Muslims.

If it's not Kashmir then it's Palestine. If it's not Palestine then its something else...Your views that support the murder of innocents if it 'evens things up' are typical of modern day radical Islamists.

I never said they were justified you need to get your facts right. You seem to like stiring things up and twisting other peoples views. I merely said due to muslims being discriminated in India an being the small minority I can see from their point of view why they would do things like this due to Indians always commiting attrocitites against them but I in no way believe in taking lives of others.

 

[Munkey]

I think its even. Indian massacre innocent muslims in indian ocupied Kashmir and the world turns a blind eye to the attrocities commited there. The root course of terrorism in India is due to the Indian occupation of Kashmir. If the Kashmir issue is ressolved terrorism in India can be rooted out.

BS
What does I think its even mean?
If the attacks were about Kashmir why were Jews targeted?
If the attacks were about Kashmir why did the gunmen actively look for British and Americans?

 

[stevemac40]

Munkey, I don't think anyone in here is excusing or condoning the attacks in India (or any attacks full stop). I believe (without reading back along this very long thread) that it was being pointed out to more narrow minded people that terrorist attacks are not the sole domain of muslims and that even muslims have been exposed to these kind of attacks.

Although you raise a lot of valid points, they are coming across as very one sided when we all know there have been rights and wrongs on both sides (who is more to blame, well both sides are always going to believe they are in the right). Though I think historically it was the British that caused the problems.

 

[Munkey]

Well, if they have been up to no good then it is a shame they have been keeping themselves busy instead of stealing cable and burning 360 games...

Some of us get off on that whilst others need a little something more
:Kickassro

Your history is not bad LOL, my specialist subject on Mastermind would be The History of India 1200AD to the present. It makes for fascinating reading although I am currently reading about the Indus civilization which makes for very interesting reading.

Munkey, I don't think anyone in here is excusing or condoning the attacks in India (or any attacks full stop). I believe (without reading back along this very long thread) that it was being pointed out to more narrow minded people that terrorist attacks are not the sole domain of muslims and that even muslims have been exposed to these kind of attacks.

Although you raise a lot of valid points, they are coming across as very one sided when we all know there have been rights and wrongs on both sides (who is more to blame, well both sides are always going to believe they are in the right). Though I think historically it was the British that caused the problems.

Well we can disagree on that or maybe you could help explain why you would think that by possibly telling me where there are Jews to be found in Kashmir?

I see talk of getting 'even' as completely wrong. Once the poster has replied to my questions regarding his statement it can be discussed further. The fact that Jews were targeted just proves my point that this attack was about targeting those that threaten Islam with their religious views or through their political ideologies.

 

[pks00]

I never said they were justified you need to get your facts right. You seem to like stiring things up and twisting other peoples views. I merely said due to muslims being discriminated in India an being the small minority I can see from their point of view why they would do things like this due to Indians always commiting attrocitites against them but I in no way believe in taking lives of others.

I see you seeing only one side mate. It seems to me that Indians are to blame for this.

I wonder how non muslims were treated in Afghanistan with Talibans were in control. Surely that had nothing to do with Indians treating muslims. I wonder how many muslims are in very popular in India, most of the top bollywood male stars are muslim. Im sure there are a number of more prominent muslims in India. Now look at it the other way round.

Try to look in a neutral point of view and look at both sides.

Im saying there is always propaganda around. Dont believe everything you read. The article posted by Mojo I think talked about muslim persecution but was written by a muslim. Just a touch biased, dont you think? Same probably applies to articles from other religions.
Stuff like this is created to get people heated up.

 

[pks00]

Yes, I read today that there was a suicide bombing on a mosque in Iraq.

 

[calvtan]

CNN Live Transmission License "EXPIRED" - India Stops 'live' CNN Transmission

Can't find any official statement, but you can read it from here:

My views on the state of the universe ...: India Stops 'live' CNN Transmission. - Good Riddance.

If you watch the CNN channel, they did say that their reporter are currently using mobile phone video to report...