The kids will not get a day off school

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:30:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 09/06/2004 20:05:05, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave
| Fawthrop licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>
| > On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:50:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:
| >
| >|> Death and taxes :-(
| >|
| >| EH?
| >
| > "are always with us"
| >
| > I thought *everyone* knew that saying.
| > Clearly I overestimated ulym :-(
| >
| > Dave F
|
| Oh, I know the saying. No idea what relevance it had in this context
| though.

Pull the other one.

You can not even remember your own posts below.
>| Further, I have to pay for the priveledge
>| of giving some faceless public 'servants' my personal information to
>| do with what they please.

Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:20:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:


| But you must keep a record of the points.

They do.

Goodbye
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:30:16 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 10/06/2004 09:40:05, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave Fawthrop
| licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>
| > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:20:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:
| >
| >| But you must keep a record of the points.
| >
| > They do.
| >
| > Goodbye
|
| Dave knows best.
|
| However
|
| None of the mobile phone tracking service offer historical movement data.
| They are all real time, or for Vodaphone when the phone last accessed the
| network. As stated here.
| MOBILE TRACKING - PHONE TRACKER SERVICE TO TRACK THE LOCATION OF A MOBILE ONLINE
| All of the other providers will tell you the same.
|
| http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994270
| explains with pictures how this type of tracing works.
|
| It is worth noting that the tracking companies all reckon on approx 100m
| accuracy in cities and several km in rural locations.
|
| [DLMURL]http://www.vodafone.co.uk/download/LBS_Developer_Guide.pdf[/DLMURL] is the developers
| guide for LBS (never!), and there is nothing there that allows the transfer
| of network historical data.
|
| To create an audit trail using telematics you must store the data yourself.
| The networks do not keep this data unless requested to do so.
|
| The only way to generate this data is to use Triggered Location Reporting.
| This has the effect of generating multiple location reports over the
| required time.

Very interesting *but*.
They have proved *in court* that they can find where a mobile was.
They got the Soham position down to a few yards retrospectively.
See upthread.
 
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:30:16 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 10/06/2004 09:40:05, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave Fawthrop
| licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>
| > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:20:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:
| >
| >| But you must keep a record of the points.
| >
| > They do.
| >
| > Goodbye
|
| Dave knows best.
|
| However
|
| None of the mobile phone tracking service offer historical movement data.
| They are all real time, or for Vodaphone when the phone last accessed the
| network. As stated here.
| MOBILE TRACKING - PHONE TRACKER SERVICE TO TRACK THE LOCATION OF A MOBILE ONLINE
| All of the other providers will tell you the same.
|
| http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994270
| explains with pictures how this type of tracing works.
|
| It is worth noting that the tracking companies all reckon on approx 100m
| accuracy in cities and several km in rural locations.
|
| [DLMURL]http://www.vodafone.co.uk/download/LBS_Developer_Guide.pdf[/DLMURL] is the developers
| guide for LBS (never!), and there is nothing there that allows the transfer
| of network historical data.
|
| To create an audit trail using telematics you must store the data yourself.
| The networks do not keep this data unless requested to do so.
|
| The only way to generate this data is to use Triggered Location Reporting.
| This has the effect of generating multiple location reports over the
| required time.

Very interesting *but*.
They have proved *in court* that they can find where a mobile was.
They got the Soham position down to a few yards retrospectively.
See upthread.
 
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:30:16 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 10/06/2004 09:40:05, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave Fawthrop
| licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>
| > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:20:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:
| >
| >| But you must keep a record of the points.
| >
| > They do.
| >
| > Goodbye
|
| Dave knows best.
|
| However
|
| None of the mobile phone tracking service offer historical movement data.
| They are all real time, or for Vodaphone when the phone last accessed the
| network. As stated here.
| MOBILE TRACKING - PHONE TRACKER SERVICE TO TRACK THE LOCATION OF A MOBILE ONLINE
| All of the other providers will tell you the same.
|
| http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994270
| explains with pictures how this type of tracing works.
|
| It is worth noting that the tracking companies all reckon on approx 100m
| accuracy in cities and several km in rural locations.
|
| [DLMURL]http://www.vodafone.co.uk/download/LBS_Developer_Guide.pdf[/DLMURL] is the developers
| guide for LBS (never!), and there is nothing there that allows the transfer
| of network historical data.
|
| To create an audit trail using telematics you must store the data yourself.
| The networks do not keep this data unless requested to do so.
|
| The only way to generate this data is to use Triggered Location Reporting.
| This has the effect of generating multiple location reports over the
| required time.

Very interesting *but*.
They have proved *in court* that they can find where a mobile was.
They got the Soham position down to a few yards retrospectively.
See upthread.
 
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:30:16 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 10/06/2004 09:40:05, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave Fawthrop
| licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>
| > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:20:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:
| >
| >| But you must keep a record of the points.
| >
| > They do.
| >
| > Goodbye
|
| Dave knows best.
|
| However
|
| None of the mobile phone tracking service offer historical movement data.
| They are all real time, or for Vodaphone when the phone last accessed the
| network. As stated here.
| MOBILE TRACKING - PHONE TRACKER SERVICE TO TRACK THE LOCATION OF A MOBILE ONLINE
| All of the other providers will tell you the same.
|
| http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994270
| explains with pictures how this type of tracing works.
|
| It is worth noting that the tracking companies all reckon on approx 100m
| accuracy in cities and several km in rural locations.
|
| [DLMURL]http://www.vodafone.co.uk/download/LBS_Developer_Guide.pdf[/DLMURL] is the developers
| guide for LBS (never!), and there is nothing there that allows the transfer
| of network historical data.
|
| To create an audit trail using telematics you must store the data yourself.
| The networks do not keep this data unless requested to do so.
|
| The only way to generate this data is to use Triggered Location Reporting.
| This has the effect of generating multiple location reports over the
| required time.

Very interesting *but*.
They have proved *in court* that they can find where a mobile was.
They got the Soham position down to a few yards retrospectively.
See upthread.
 
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:30:16 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 10/06/2004 09:40:05, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave Fawthrop
| licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>
| > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:20:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:
| >
| >| But you must keep a record of the points.
| >
| > They do.
| >
| > Goodbye
|
| Dave knows best.
|
| However
|
| None of the mobile phone tracking service offer historical movement data.
| They are all real time, or for Vodaphone when the phone last accessed the
| network. As stated here.
| MOBILE TRACKING - PHONE TRACKER SERVICE TO TRACK THE LOCATION OF A MOBILE ONLINE
| All of the other providers will tell you the same.
|
| http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994270
| explains with pictures how this type of tracing works.
|
| It is worth noting that the tracking companies all reckon on approx 100m
| accuracy in cities and several km in rural locations.
|
| [DLMURL]http://www.vodafone.co.uk/download/LBS_Developer_Guide.pdf[/DLMURL] is the developers
| guide for LBS (never!), and there is nothing there that allows the transfer
| of network historical data.
|
| To create an audit trail using telematics you must store the data yourself.
| The networks do not keep this data unless requested to do so.
|
| The only way to generate this data is to use Triggered Location Reporting.
| This has the effect of generating multiple location reports over the
| required time.

Very interesting *but*.
They have proved *in court* that they can find where a mobile was.
They got the Soham position down to a few yards retrospectively.
See upthread.
 
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:30:16 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 10/06/2004 09:40:05, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave Fawthrop
| licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>
| > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:20:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:
| >
| >| But you must keep a record of the points.
| >
| > They do.
| >
| > Goodbye
|
| Dave knows best.
|
| However
|
| None of the mobile phone tracking service offer historical movement data.
| They are all real time, or for Vodaphone when the phone last accessed the
| network. As stated here.
| MOBILE TRACKING - PHONE TRACKER SERVICE TO TRACK THE LOCATION OF A MOBILE ONLINE
| All of the other providers will tell you the same.
|
| http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994270
| explains with pictures how this type of tracing works.
|
| It is worth noting that the tracking companies all reckon on approx 100m
| accuracy in cities and several km in rural locations.
|
| [DLMURL]http://www.vodafone.co.uk/download/LBS_Developer_Guide.pdf[/DLMURL] is the developers
| guide for LBS (never!), and there is nothing there that allows the transfer
| of network historical data.
|
| To create an audit trail using telematics you must store the data yourself.
| The networks do not keep this data unless requested to do so.
|
| The only way to generate this data is to use Triggered Location Reporting.
| This has the effect of generating multiple location reports over the
| required time.

Very interesting *but*.
They have proved *in court* that they can find where a mobile was.
They got the Soham position down to a few yards retrospectively.
See upthread.
 
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:10:08 +0100, martin <[email protected]> wrote:

| If there are only a few houses within the range given by signal
| strength, it is quite possible for the phone only to have been only
| have been "in a small number of places in Soham". Soham is hardly a
| densely populated area.

Remember also that they convicted the bloke who owned the phones used in
the omagh?sp? bombing. They they must have found these phone numbers long
after the event.

Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:10:08 +0100, martin <[email protected]> wrote:

| If there are only a few houses within the range given by signal
| strength, it is quite possible for the phone only to have been only
| have been "in a small number of places in Soham". Soham is hardly a
| densely populated area.

Remember also that they convicted the bloke who owned the phones used in
the omagh?sp? bombing. They they must have found these phone numbers long
after the event.

Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:10:08 +0100, martin <[email protected]> wrote:

| If there are only a few houses within the range given by signal
| strength, it is quite possible for the phone only to have been only
| have been "in a small number of places in Soham". Soham is hardly a
| densely populated area.

Remember also that they convicted the bloke who owned the phones used in
the omagh?sp? bombing. They they must have found these phone numbers long
after the event.

Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:10:08 +0100, martin <[email protected]> wrote:

| If there are only a few houses within the range given by signal
| strength, it is quite possible for the phone only to have been only
| have been "in a small number of places in Soham". Soham is hardly a
| densely populated area.

Remember also that they convicted the bloke who owned the phones used in
the omagh?sp? bombing. They they must have found these phone numbers long
after the event.

Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:10:08 +0100, martin <[email protected]> wrote:

| If there are only a few houses within the range given by signal
| strength, it is quite possible for the phone only to have been only
| have been "in a small number of places in Soham". Soham is hardly a
| densely populated area.

Remember also that they convicted the bloke who owned the phones used in
the omagh?sp? bombing. They they must have found these phone numbers long
after the event.

Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:10:08 +0100, martin <[email protected]> wrote:

| If there are only a few houses within the range given by signal
| strength, it is quite possible for the phone only to have been only
| have been "in a small number of places in Soham". Soham is hardly a
| densely populated area.

Remember also that they convicted the bloke who owned the phones used in
the omagh?sp? bombing. They they must have found these phone numbers long
after the event.

Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:35:06 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mobile cells are now down to 500m in citys.

It's scary.

Orange do this thing where they will show you a street map of where
you are (using WAP) and also give surrounding traffic problems - it is
very scary how accurately it identifies where you are.
--
King Queen - Remove .lartsspammers to reply. http://www.kingqueen.org.uk
"Advertising is the rattling of a stick in a swill bucket" George Orwell
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:35:06 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mobile cells are now down to 500m in citys.

It's scary.

Orange do this thing where they will show you a street map of where
you are (using WAP) and also give surrounding traffic problems - it is
very scary how accurately it identifies where you are.
--
King Queen - Remove .lartsspammers to reply. http://www.kingqueen.org.uk
"Advertising is the rattling of a stick in a swill bucket" George Orwell
 
On Thursday, in article
<[email protected]> [email protected]
"martin" wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:55:06 +0100, King Queen
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:35:06 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>Mobile cells are now down to 500m in citys.
> >
> >It's scary.
> >
> >Orange do this thing where they will show you a street map of where
> >you are (using WAP) and also give surrounding traffic problems - it is
> >very scary how accurately it identifies where you are.
>
> In Ewesland it must be even more scary :)

That's one of the reasons I won't have one, don't want them buggers
knowing when I'm in a field with someone elses sheep.

--
ô
õçîd
 
On Thursday, in article
<[email protected]> [email protected]
"martin" wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:55:06 +0100, King Queen
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:35:06 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>Mobile cells are now down to 500m in citys.
> >
> >It's scary.
> >
> >Orange do this thing where they will show you a street map of where
> >you are (using WAP) and also give surrounding traffic problems - it is
> >very scary how accurately it identifies where you are.
>
> In Ewesland it must be even more scary :)

That's one of the reasons I won't have one, don't want them buggers
knowing when I'm in a field with someone elses sheep.

--
ô
õçîd
 
On Thursday, in article
<[email protected]> [email protected]
"martin" wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:55:06 +0100, King Queen
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:35:06 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>Mobile cells are now down to 500m in citys.
> >
> >It's scary.
> >
> >Orange do this thing where they will show you a street map of where
> >you are (using WAP) and also give surrounding traffic problems - it is
> >very scary how accurately it identifies where you are.
>
> In Ewesland it must be even more scary :)

That's one of the reasons I won't have one, don't want them buggers
knowing when I'm in a field with someone elses sheep.

--
ô
õçîd
 
On Thursday, in article
<[email protected]> [email protected]
"martin" wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:55:06 +0100, King Queen
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:35:06 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>Mobile cells are now down to 500m in citys.
> >
> >It's scary.
> >
> >Orange do this thing where they will show you a street map of where
> >you are (using WAP) and also give surrounding traffic problems - it is
> >very scary how accurately it identifies where you are.
>
> In Ewesland it must be even more scary :)

That's one of the reasons I won't have one, don't want them buggers
knowing when I'm in a field with someone elses sheep.

--
ô
õçîd
 
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