The kids will not get a day off school

On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
@privacy.net "me M Pitt" wrote:

> On 09/06/2004 15:55:09, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave
> Fawthrop licked his pencil and scribbled in message
> <news:[email protected]>
> > On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:20:16 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> >| Further, I have to pay for the priveledge
> >| of giving some faceless public 'servants' my personal information to
> >| do with what they please.
> >
> > Death and taxes :-(

>
> EH?


It's the mobile phone that does it, something about microwaving brain
cells.

Though he could be right, identity cards could become another form of
taxation, once they are compulsory they can charge what they want for
them. Not much of the money raised from the road fund license gets spent
on roads.

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On Wednesday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Marcus Houlden" wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:15:06 +0100, M Pitt <[email protected]>
> wrote the following to uk.local.yorkshire.moderated:
>
>
> > Without very very stringent checks on identity being carried out
> > before the issue of an ID card the whole system is meaningless.

>
> How do you prove your identity to get one? If you can prove your identity,
> why do you need one?
>
> The bit I don't like isn't the cards, but the national identity register
> that goes with it. What is it for?


The possibilities are endless, we would cease to be a person and become
a number, a number which records everything we do from cradle to grave,
one number to be used by every government department and maybe every
commercial organisation as well. There is even talk of everyone having
their medical records stored on the card itself.

The 3 billion pounds they'll get from everyone in the country having to
fork out 50 quid for a card is going to buy them more than just a
database.

I used to go along to the Met Office site to get my local weather
forecast. Then one day they said I couldn't have the weather forecast
unless I accepted a tracking cookie from a commercial tracking firm.
I don't get the weather forecast now.

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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:50:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:


| > Death and taxes :-(
|
| EH?

"are always with us"

I thought *everyone* knew that saying.
Clearly I overestimated ulym :-(

Dave F
 
fred surprised us with

> On Wednesday, in article
> <[email protected]>
> [email protected] "Dave Fawthrop" wrote:
>
>> I assume that both fred and M Pitt refuse to carry mobiles.

>
> You bet I do.
>
> I don't own a mobile phone and I never will.
>
> Unfortunately life is going to be made more difficult for me because
> British Telecom are going to abolish phone boxes on the grounds that
> they are not needed because everyone has a mobile.
>


Obviously not very "au courant" with current technology and its applications.
You can get pre-paid systems (i.e. phone plus debitcard), where you can
anonymously phone to your little hearts content.

There's no need to worry about brain damage. At least not in your case. Or
mr. Pitts'.

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Waldo


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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:50:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 09/06/2004 15:55:09, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave
| Fawthrop licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>

| No, but what has that got to do with the urls below?
| >
| > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3309751.stm
| >>>>
| > Their suspicions increased when it emerged Jessica's mobile phone could
| > only have been in a small number of places in Soham - Huntley's home among
| > them - when it was switched off.
| > <<<
|
| The transmitter the phone was using to sign of the network was
| logged, not the movement of the phone.
| >
| > They prosecuted the owner of the mobile used by the Omagh bombers
| > http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=187&id=94992002
| >
| The phones were shown to have been in certain places, not tracked
| travelling between the places. A call may have been made, the phone
| may have been switched on or off in either place. Each action will
| create a log.

Mobile cells are now down to 500m in citys. In the Soham case they got
position down to a few yards. As the phone transferes from one base station
to another the system records this.

Did you not do simple maths at school?
A sieries of points produced as above creates a curve.


Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:30:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 09/06/2004 20:05:05, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave
| Fawthrop licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>
| > On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:50:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:
| >
| >|> Death and taxes :-(
| >|
| >| EH?
| >
| > "are always with us"
| >
| > I thought *everyone* knew that saying.
| > Clearly I overestimated ulym :-(
| >
| > Dave F
|
| Oh, I know the saying. No idea what relevance it had in this context
| though.

Pull the other one.

You can not even remember your own posts below.
>| Further, I have to pay for the priveledge
>| of giving some faceless public 'servants' my personal information to
>| do with what they please.


Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:20:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:


| But you must keep a record of the points.

They do.

Goodbye
 
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:50:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 09/06/2004 15:55:09, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave
| Fawthrop licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>

| No, but what has that got to do with the urls below?
| >
| > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3309751.stm
| >>>>
| > Their suspicions increased when it emerged Jessica's mobile phone could
| > only have been in a small number of places in Soham - Huntley's home among
| > them - when it was switched off.
| > <<<
|
| The transmitter the phone was using to sign of the network was
| logged, not the movement of the phone.
| >
| > They prosecuted the owner of the mobile used by the Omagh bombers
| > http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=187&id=94992002
| >
| The phones were shown to have been in certain places, not tracked
| travelling between the places. A call may have been made, the phone
| may have been switched on or off in either place. Each action will
| create a log.

Mobile cells are now down to 500m in citys. In the Soham case they got
position down to a few yards. As the phone transferes from one base station
to another the system records this.

Did you not do simple maths at school?
A sieries of points produced as above creates a curve.


Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:30:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 09/06/2004 20:05:05, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave
| Fawthrop licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>
| > On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:50:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:
| >
| >|> Death and taxes :-(
| >|
| >| EH?
| >
| > "are always with us"
| >
| > I thought *everyone* knew that saying.
| > Clearly I overestimated ulym :-(
| >
| > Dave F
|
| Oh, I know the saying. No idea what relevance it had in this context
| though.

Pull the other one.

You can not even remember your own posts below.
>| Further, I have to pay for the priveledge
>| of giving some faceless public 'servants' my personal information to
>| do with what they please.


Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:20:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:


| But you must keep a record of the points.

They do.

Goodbye
 
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:50:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 09/06/2004 15:55:09, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave
| Fawthrop licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>

| No, but what has that got to do with the urls below?
| >
| > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3309751.stm
| >>>>
| > Their suspicions increased when it emerged Jessica's mobile phone could
| > only have been in a small number of places in Soham - Huntley's home among
| > them - when it was switched off.
| > <<<
|
| The transmitter the phone was using to sign of the network was
| logged, not the movement of the phone.
| >
| > They prosecuted the owner of the mobile used by the Omagh bombers
| > http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=187&id=94992002
| >
| The phones were shown to have been in certain places, not tracked
| travelling between the places. A call may have been made, the phone
| may have been switched on or off in either place. Each action will
| create a log.

Mobile cells are now down to 500m in citys. In the Soham case they got
position down to a few yards. As the phone transferes from one base station
to another the system records this.

Did you not do simple maths at school?
A sieries of points produced as above creates a curve.


Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:30:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 09/06/2004 20:05:05, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave
| Fawthrop licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>
| > On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:50:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:
| >
| >|> Death and taxes :-(
| >|
| >| EH?
| >
| > "are always with us"
| >
| > I thought *everyone* knew that saying.
| > Clearly I overestimated ulym :-(
| >
| > Dave F
|
| Oh, I know the saying. No idea what relevance it had in this context
| though.

Pull the other one.

You can not even remember your own posts below.
>| Further, I have to pay for the priveledge
>| of giving some faceless public 'servants' my personal information to
>| do with what they please.


Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:20:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:


| But you must keep a record of the points.

They do.

Goodbye
 
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:50:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 09/06/2004 15:55:09, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave
| Fawthrop licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>

| No, but what has that got to do with the urls below?
| >
| > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3309751.stm
| >>>>
| > Their suspicions increased when it emerged Jessica's mobile phone could
| > only have been in a small number of places in Soham - Huntley's home among
| > them - when it was switched off.
| > <<<
|
| The transmitter the phone was using to sign of the network was
| logged, not the movement of the phone.
| >
| > They prosecuted the owner of the mobile used by the Omagh bombers
| > http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=187&id=94992002
| >
| The phones were shown to have been in certain places, not tracked
| travelling between the places. A call may have been made, the phone
| may have been switched on or off in either place. Each action will
| create a log.

Mobile cells are now down to 500m in citys. In the Soham case they got
position down to a few yards. As the phone transferes from one base station
to another the system records this.

Did you not do simple maths at school?
A sieries of points produced as above creates a curve.


Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:30:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 09/06/2004 20:05:05, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave
| Fawthrop licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>
| > On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:50:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:
| >
| >|> Death and taxes :-(
| >|
| >| EH?
| >
| > "are always with us"
| >
| > I thought *everyone* knew that saying.
| > Clearly I overestimated ulym :-(
| >
| > Dave F
|
| Oh, I know the saying. No idea what relevance it had in this context
| though.

Pull the other one.

You can not even remember your own posts below.
>| Further, I have to pay for the priveledge
>| of giving some faceless public 'servants' my personal information to
>| do with what they please.


Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:20:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:


| But you must keep a record of the points.

They do.

Goodbye
 
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:50:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 09/06/2004 15:55:09, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave
| Fawthrop licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>

| No, but what has that got to do with the urls below?
| >
| > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3309751.stm
| >>>>
| > Their suspicions increased when it emerged Jessica's mobile phone could
| > only have been in a small number of places in Soham - Huntley's home among
| > them - when it was switched off.
| > <<<
|
| The transmitter the phone was using to sign of the network was
| logged, not the movement of the phone.
| >
| > They prosecuted the owner of the mobile used by the Omagh bombers
| > http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=187&id=94992002
| >
| The phones were shown to have been in certain places, not tracked
| travelling between the places. A call may have been made, the phone
| may have been switched on or off in either place. Each action will
| create a log.

Mobile cells are now down to 500m in citys. In the Soham case they got
position down to a few yards. As the phone transferes from one base station
to another the system records this.

Did you not do simple maths at school?
A sieries of points produced as above creates a curve.


Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:30:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 09/06/2004 20:05:05, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave
| Fawthrop licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>
| > On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:50:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:
| >
| >|> Death and taxes :-(
| >|
| >| EH?
| >
| > "are always with us"
| >
| > I thought *everyone* knew that saying.
| > Clearly I overestimated ulym :-(
| >
| > Dave F
|
| Oh, I know the saying. No idea what relevance it had in this context
| though.

Pull the other one.

You can not even remember your own posts below.
>| Further, I have to pay for the priveledge
>| of giving some faceless public 'servants' my personal information to
>| do with what they please.


Dave F
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:20:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:


| But you must keep a record of the points.

They do.

Goodbye
 
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:50:07 +0100, M Pitt <"me "@privacy.net> wrote:

| On 09/06/2004 15:55:09, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, Dave
| Fawthrop licked his pencil and scribbled in message
| <news:[email protected]>

| No, but what has that got to do with the urls below?
| >
| > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3309751.stm
| >>>>
| > Their suspicions increased when it emerged Jessica's mobile phone could
| > only have been in a small number of places in Soham - Huntley's home among
| > them - when it was switched off.
| > <<<
|
| The transmitter the phone was using to sign of the network was
| logged, not the movement of the phone.
| >
| > They prosecuted the owner of the mobile used by the Omagh bombers
| > http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=187&id=94992002
| >
| The phones were shown to have been in certain places, not tracked
| travelling between the places. A call may have been made, the phone
| may have been switched on or off in either place. Each action will
| create a log.

Mobile cells are now down to 500m in citys. In the Soham case they got
position down to a few yards. As the phone transferes from one base station
to another the system records this.

Did you not do simple maths at school?
A sieries of points produced as above creates a curve.


Dave F
 
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