The kids will not get a day off school

[Dave Fawthrop]

Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament plopped
through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The kids will not
get a day off school" because her infants school was always used as a
polling station.

The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
early, vote often".

Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
voting.


Dave F

 

[M.Pitt]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:


> The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
> the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
> in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
> early, vote often".

I could be missing the point here but WTH, if a voter has to confirm that
another voter is who they are supposed to be, then the vote itself must be
traceable? If so then the powers that be can track who votes, and indeed
who they voted for. Hardly a secret ballot.

I know that this is already possible with a polling booth system, but that
system is paper based and would require too many resources to be a usefull
tool. Given that all votes are postal, I suspect that computers will figure
in the validation procedure and perhaps even the count. This means the
information can be analyzed v.v fast. Hence it becomes a powerful and
useable tool.

Paranoid, not I, well not much!

> Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
> voting.

Lets get some Politicians worth a vote.
..

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament plopped
through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The kids will not
get a day off school" because her infants school was always used as a
polling station.

The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
early, vote often".

Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
voting.


Dave F

 

[M.Pitt]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:


> The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
> the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
> in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
> early, vote often".

I could be missing the point here but WTH, if a voter has to confirm that
another voter is who they are supposed to be, then the vote itself must be
traceable? If so then the powers that be can track who votes, and indeed
who they voted for. Hardly a secret ballot.

I know that this is already possible with a polling booth system, but that
system is paper based and would require too many resources to be a usefull
tool. Given that all votes are postal, I suspect that computers will figure
in the validation procedure and perhaps even the count. This means the
information can be analyzed v.v fast. Hence it becomes a powerful and
useable tool.

Paranoid, not I, well not much!

> Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
> voting.

Lets get some Politicians worth a vote.
..

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament plopped
through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The kids will not
get a day off school" because her infants school was always used as a
polling station.

The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
early, vote often".

Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
voting.


Dave F

 

[M.Pitt]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:


> The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
> the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
> in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
> early, vote often".

I could be missing the point here but WTH, if a voter has to confirm that
another voter is who they are supposed to be, then the vote itself must be
traceable? If so then the powers that be can track who votes, and indeed
who they voted for. Hardly a secret ballot.

I know that this is already possible with a polling booth system, but that
system is paper based and would require too many resources to be a usefull
tool. Given that all votes are postal, I suspect that computers will figure
in the validation procedure and perhaps even the count. This means the
information can be analyzed v.v fast. Hence it becomes a powerful and
useable tool.

Paranoid, not I, well not much!

> Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
> voting.

Lets get some Politicians worth a vote.
..

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament plopped
through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The kids will not
get a day off school" because her infants school was always used as a
polling station.

The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
early, vote often".

Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
voting.


Dave F

 

[M.Pitt]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:


> The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
> the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
> in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
> early, vote often".

I could be missing the point here but WTH, if a voter has to confirm that
another voter is who they are supposed to be, then the vote itself must be
traceable? If so then the powers that be can track who votes, and indeed
who they voted for. Hardly a secret ballot.

I know that this is already possible with a polling booth system, but that
system is paper based and would require too many resources to be a usefull
tool. Given that all votes are postal, I suspect that computers will figure
in the validation procedure and perhaps even the count. This means the
information can be analyzed v.v fast. Hence it becomes a powerful and
useable tool.

Paranoid, not I, well not much!

> Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
> voting.

Lets get some Politicians worth a vote.
..

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament plopped
through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The kids will not
get a day off school" because her infants school was always used as a
polling station.

The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
early, vote often".

Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
voting.


Dave F

 

[M.Pitt]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:


> The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
> the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
> in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
> early, vote often".

I could be missing the point here but WTH, if a voter has to confirm that
another voter is who they are supposed to be, then the vote itself must be
traceable? If so then the powers that be can track who votes, and indeed
who they voted for. Hardly a secret ballot.

I know that this is already possible with a polling booth system, but that
system is paper based and would require too many resources to be a usefull
tool. Given that all votes are postal, I suspect that computers will figure
in the validation procedure and perhaps even the count. This means the
information can be analyzed v.v fast. Hence it becomes a powerful and
useable tool.

Paranoid, not I, well not much!

> Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
> voting.

Lets get some Politicians worth a vote.
..

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament plopped
through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The kids will not
get a day off school" because her infants school was always used as a
polling station.

The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
early, vote often".

Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
voting.


Dave F

 

[M.Pitt]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:


> The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
> the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
> in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
> early, vote often".

I could be missing the point here but WTH, if a voter has to confirm that
another voter is who they are supposed to be, then the vote itself must be
traceable? If so then the powers that be can track who votes, and indeed
who they voted for. Hardly a secret ballot.

I know that this is already possible with a polling booth system, but that
system is paper based and would require too many resources to be a usefull
tool. Given that all votes are postal, I suspect that computers will figure
in the validation procedure and perhaps even the count. This means the
information can be analyzed v.v fast. Hence it becomes a powerful and
useable tool.

Paranoid, not I, well not much!

> Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
> voting.

Lets get some Politicians worth a vote.
..

 

[King Queen]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament plopped
>through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The kids will not
>get a day off school" because her infants school was always used as a
>polling station.
>
>The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
>the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
>in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
>early, vote often".
>
>Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
>voting.

There's a suggestion that it is a fairly transparent form of vote
rigging.

Postal votes seem to get a better turn out than "traditional" votes,
and the Labour government have put in postal votes in the traditional
Labour-supporting north of the country, and left traditional polling
stations in the south.

Wouldn't surprise me if this is intentional
--
King Queen - Remove .lartsspammers to reply. http://www.kingqueen.org.uk
"Advertising is the rattling of a stick in a swill bucket" George Orwell

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 14:55:12 +0100, King Queen
<[email protected]> wrote:

| On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament plopped
| >through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The kids will not
| >get a day off school" because her infants school was always used as a
| >polling station.
| >
| >The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
| >the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
| >in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
| >early, vote often".
| >
| >Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
| >voting.
|
| There's a suggestion that it is a fairly transparent form of vote
| rigging.
|
| Postal votes seem to get a better turn out than "traditional" votes,
| and the Labour government have put in postal votes in the traditional
| Labour-supporting north of the country, and left traditional polling
| stations in the south.
|
| Wouldn't surprise me if this is intentional

On the other hand, the Polling Station system could be said to rig the vote
in the Conservative's direction, because they are better at getting voters
to a polling station.

Not sure about Lib Dems

Dave F

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 14:45:09 +0100, "M.Pitt" <[email protected]> wrote:

| On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:
|
|
| > The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
| > the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
| > in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
| > early, vote often".
|
| I could be missing the point here but WTH, if a voter has to confirm that
| another voter is who they are supposed to be, then the vote itself must be
| traceable? If so then the powers that be can track who votes, and indeed
| who they voted for. Hardly a secret ballot.

If one follows the instructions given, the person verifying your identity
will not know how you vote.

| I know that this is already possible with a polling booth system, but that
| system is paper based and would require too many resources to be a usefull
| tool. Given that all votes are postal, I suspect that computers will figure
| in the validation procedure and perhaps even the count. This means the
| information can be analyzed v.v fast. Hence it becomes a powerful and
| useable tool.

They may run the names and addresses of the identity verifiers against the
electoral roll, but not a lot else. There are probably some rules on
what they can do but I have not found them ATM.
|
| Paranoid, not I, well not much!
|
| > Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
| > voting.
|
| Lets get some Politicians worth a vote.

Stand yourself then ;-)

Dave F

 

[King Queen]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament plopped
>through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The kids will not
>get a day off school" because her infants school was always used as a
>polling station.
>
>The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
>the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
>in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
>early, vote often".
>
>Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
>voting.

There's a suggestion that it is a fairly transparent form of vote
rigging.

Postal votes seem to get a better turn out than "traditional" votes,
and the Labour government have put in postal votes in the traditional
Labour-supporting north of the country, and left traditional polling
stations in the south.

Wouldn't surprise me if this is intentional
--
King Queen - Remove .lartsspammers to reply. http://www.kingqueen.org.uk
"Advertising is the rattling of a stick in a swill bucket" George Orwell

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 14:55:12 +0100, King Queen
<[email protected]> wrote:

| On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament plopped
| >through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The kids will not
| >get a day off school" because her infants school was always used as a
| >polling station.
| >
| >The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
| >the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
| >in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
| >early, vote often".
| >
| >Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
| >voting.
|
| There's a suggestion that it is a fairly transparent form of vote
| rigging.
|
| Postal votes seem to get a better turn out than "traditional" votes,
| and the Labour government have put in postal votes in the traditional
| Labour-supporting north of the country, and left traditional polling
| stations in the south.
|
| Wouldn't surprise me if this is intentional

On the other hand, the Polling Station system could be said to rig the vote
in the Conservative's direction, because they are better at getting voters
to a polling station.

Not sure about Lib Dems

Dave F

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 14:45:09 +0100, "M.Pitt" <[email protected]> wrote:

| On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:
|
|
| > The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
| > the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
| > in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
| > early, vote often".
|
| I could be missing the point here but WTH, if a voter has to confirm that
| another voter is who they are supposed to be, then the vote itself must be
| traceable? If so then the powers that be can track who votes, and indeed
| who they voted for. Hardly a secret ballot.

If one follows the instructions given, the person verifying your identity
will not know how you vote.

| I know that this is already possible with a polling booth system, but that
| system is paper based and would require too many resources to be a usefull
| tool. Given that all votes are postal, I suspect that computers will figure
| in the validation procedure and perhaps even the count. This means the
| information can be analyzed v.v fast. Hence it becomes a powerful and
| useable tool.

They may run the names and addresses of the identity verifiers against the
electoral roll, but not a lot else. There are probably some rules on
what they can do but I have not found them ATM.
|
| Paranoid, not I, well not much!
|
| > Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
| > voting.
|
| Lets get some Politicians worth a vote.

Stand yourself then ;-)

Dave F

 

[King Queen]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament plopped
>through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The kids will not
>get a day off school" because her infants school was always used as a
>polling station.
>
>The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
>the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
>in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
>early, vote often".
>
>Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
>voting.

There's a suggestion that it is a fairly transparent form of vote
rigging.

Postal votes seem to get a better turn out than "traditional" votes,
and the Labour government have put in postal votes in the traditional
Labour-supporting north of the country, and left traditional polling
stations in the south.

Wouldn't surprise me if this is intentional
--
King Queen - Remove .lartsspammers to reply. http://www.kingqueen.org.uk
"Advertising is the rattling of a stick in a swill bucket" George Orwell

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 14:55:12 +0100, King Queen
<[email protected]> wrote:

| On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament plopped
| >through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The kids will not
| >get a day off school" because her infants school was always used as a
| >polling station.
| >
| >The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
| >the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
| >in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
| >early, vote often".
| >
| >Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
| >voting.
|
| There's a suggestion that it is a fairly transparent form of vote
| rigging.
|
| Postal votes seem to get a better turn out than "traditional" votes,
| and the Labour government have put in postal votes in the traditional
| Labour-supporting north of the country, and left traditional polling
| stations in the south.
|
| Wouldn't surprise me if this is intentional

On the other hand, the Polling Station system could be said to rig the vote
in the Conservative's direction, because they are better at getting voters
to a polling station.

Not sure about Lib Dems

Dave F