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Covid 19 Vaccine
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That is the sure proof that drugs like ecstasy and cannabis, despite all their users claiming they were perfectly safe, really do screw up your brain
But have you spoken to the same frontline staff about previous years' flu outbreaks?
To put things into perspective, a now famous Dail Mail front page from Feb. 2018 innocently reported 64,000 UK flu deaths in January of that year, following almost 50k from the month before. Covid 19 has taken about 50K in 9 months. But those 50k deaths (sad though they are for the ones left behind) are not in addition to the annual flu numbers, those are included. (These figures are from the ONS). Dig a bit deeper and you will see that recorded flu & pneumonia deaths for 2020 are almost zero, these are routinely being counted as covid deaths.
So why the shut-down, masks etc. this year and not previous years when figures were clearly higher? Why are the figures being fiddled? Flu & pneumonia haven't simply disappeared this year, the former is probably what is now being called 'mild covid' and the latter the one that is claiming lives.
A friend who is a retired nurse spoke recently to an ex-colleague who was re-deployed to covid duties and she confirmed that it is indeed a horrendous disease, likening victims' lung x-rays to a shattered car windscreen. Unfortunately she wasn't able to comment on previous years as she doesn't usually work with repiratory diseases. But I'm sure many of us have had or know someone who has had real flu (not just a bad cold) who will confirm that it is also no walk in the park.
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flu vs Covid ?
chalk and cheese and quotes from the Daily Mail ?
Your Honor !!.
case dismissed
chalk and cheese and quotes from the Daily Mail ?
Your Honor !!.
case dismissed
By all accounts it could be a real game changer for providing lots of vaccines and drugs for the future.
Are these opinions based on independent research or manufacturer's propaganda? The latter paints a very rosy, even convincing picture, but let's face it they have plenty of money to invest in PR bullshit, the 'Muricans will lap it up for sure.
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My friends wife has worked on ICU for the past 8years+ on-off and I have another nurse friend. The first described and compared it to be like a horror movie. For someone who has seen about every imaginable I don't take her words with a pinch of salt.
I'm not arsed about numbers stats comparing it to flu you cannot draw a comparsion simply because it isnt like flu.
ask yourself this, if you want to draw comparisons
Was there as much fuss with the flu jab? and, how many lives worldwide has the flu jab saved over the years ?. If you refuse to have the Covid jab sign to waiver any future Covid treatment similar to if you smoke some heart specialist are refusing to treat you.
I'm not arsed about numbers stats comparing it to flu you cannot draw a comparsion simply because it isnt like flu.
ask yourself this, if you want to draw comparisons
Was there as much fuss with the flu jab? and, how many lives worldwide has the flu jab saved over the years ?. If you refuse to have the Covid jab sign to waiver any future Covid treatment similar to if you smoke some heart specialist are refusing to treat you.
I'd have no problems refusing an untested for the full term (10 years)? covid jab,and would want a properly tested one.
I've been advised to have it asap though,,,
The difference is the flu jab was developed in a proper fashion and refined & tested over decades, not rushed together over a few months with the promise of untold millions to whatever maker can tell the most convincing story.
It may well be the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, no one knows yet. But equally it could prove catastrophic, either way the makers stand to make a killing (no pun intended) as they have insisted on being indemnified of any comeback should things go horribly wrong.
Either way we should know in the fullness of time as there seems to be no shortage of human guinea pigs lining up to hand their body over to eugenists.
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You make that choice thats your decision. If you think that 10 years of testing will guarantee you safety you are sadly wrong.
A third of all approved drugs flag up safety failures.
Have a read you've probably had 1 or 2 in your time, I have
List of withdrawn drugs - Wikipedia
A third of all approved drugs flag up safety failures.
Have a read you've probably had 1 or 2 in your time, I have
List of withdrawn drugs - Wikipedia
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Have you read up about it? You use your own antibodies to fight it.
Its not a germ killer. They used data from all the flu vaccine studies as you kindly pointed out saving decades of testing. Thrown together lol I doubt it. Boris didn't make it. Its the first time in history that all the medical departments from around the world colaberated and shared data on tap.
What took weeks/months to pass on and receive was there in hours, a huge collaboration of data at lightening speed.
Listen, I not too fussed with the conspiracy theorist. Lady Di died in a car crash, 2 planes hit twin towers and Elvis doesn't shop at Asda.
If you don't want the jab good for you, let's hope that if you ever get it it doesn't take hold like it has with my m8.
Good luck
on that list is thalidomide which was approved and caused so many defect births before it was was withdrawn....how many more were withdrawn after approval?
who knows what will happen down the line with covid 19 vaccine//
i'm really scared but i cant afford not to have it
Thalidomide is still being used successfully for various skin cancers and leprosy and is only not used for pregnant women or those who are wanting to get pregnant and it was originally developed as a non addictive sedative, not as a treatment for morning sickness so was being used for something it was not developed to do initially that caused problems.
I should have done more research.... i though it was withrawn from use thanks @Sandra51
I have read up on several of them @silverdale , not all of them act in the same way. But I am not an imunologist (though my Mum was) so I don't pretend to fully understand the intricacies. But just for example, the French one uses the traditional 'dead virus' technique, (in which case historical data have some use) whereas the American Moderna potion uses hitherto untested (on humans) mRNA technology. As I mentioned earlier, previous tests on animals did not go at all well for this system (only 100% fail rate), let's hope they learned some lessons.
The seemingly unlimited money that is being collectively thrown at the project will of course have saved time in the development stages, scientists waiting for the bean counters to reach for the cheque book has always been a hindrance to speedy progress. Unfortunately no amount of cash can replace prudent testing, but it can (it would seem) bypass tried & tested protocols. Switzerland has already halted authorisation of 3 different vaccines citing insufficient data from the makers. ( HERE )
No vaccine will ever be 100% effective, or anywhere near it. It's all about reducing the chances. But to me, the chances of an adverse reaction are too high compared with the 99%+ chance of survival in the even I do get infected. If I am wrong then I may (or may not) live to tell the tale, it is a chance I am taking.
Thank you for the good luck wishes BTW, here's hoping I don't need them though!
Funnily enough those very groups are already being advised not to take the vaccine. Unfortunately pregnancies do occur from time to time in those 'not wanting to get pregnant', so vaccinated cases of these along with certain 'religious beliefs' (preventing termination) will no doubt be watched very carefully, 'unintentional giunea pigs' if you will.
Will they have to have one to go on holiday?
I'll bet they've said they've had one just so they can go on one..
I'll bet they've said they've had one just so they can go on one..
It may be coming. Spain is already insisting on a negative PCR test from people flying in from 'high risk' countries, UK included. The US is thinking about only admitting those who have been vaccinated. I wouldn't be going there anyway.
Quantas Airlines also touted the possibility of only allowing vaccinated passengers aboard but it may have backfired as there has been a huge reaction.
At least one of the vaccines (I can't remember which one off the top of my head) has a luminescent biomarker so it will be easily detected in those who have had it.
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Really???
Back in the late 1970s I missed my connecting flight from Singapore to Australia because the plane was late coming into Heathrow from America and they would not let anyone enter Singapore unless they could show that they had been vaccinated against smallpox, even though as far as I know it had been eradicated worldwide, apart from one person who was wandering around Ethiopia who was contagious who they were desperately trying to track down. My Mother, who I was travelling with, had been vaccinated before I was born but she couldn't prove it. We both had to be vaccinated before we could leave the airport and go to stay overnight in a hotel to wait to catch the plane the day after.
