Hi
i should not pronounce in this matter but i have told this somewhere and will also speak here.
Why do you think they are competing with clones ?
1- Are clones really clones ?
2- why are the original dreamboxes also being manufactured in china?
Yeah that's right do u think it is fair for companies like dreamultimedia and others go to china to extorque money from manufacturers in china,where employes get paid less £50 per month....
yes they cost of manufacturing a so called original dreambox is the same or cheaper then the production of clones.
In fact some of the manufacturers which in the past have produced dreambox for dreamultimedia realized the profit being made by dreamultimedia , so they decided also to go OEM version.
The HW from some clones is exactly the same as the orginal , just mac address change......
So now you wonder is fair for DM600 charge £200 for oficial if they only pay £55 for production from manufacturer????
P.S - DM500 was copied from DBOX1/2 in germany in fact some people say they copied the work from Nokia Dbox1/2 and then progressed their way.
This is being done now by the china man also they started by copying and now have progressed into OEM versions.......
Now you say that dm also invested alot of time and money in ?????? since when???? as all supported emus/imagens/plugins where developed 99% by private coders which are also in this hobby by money or fun..... so what has Dream really done througouth the years????
And yes currently Dreamultimedia is paying around $160 for productions of DM800 which is around £80-£90 a piece.... do u also think is fare for them to sell it at around £350 or maybe more ????
Who suffers in the end???? the chinaman which works up is arse to manufacture them so someone else can make the profit.
And also we the stupid mankind which pay that same amount of money..... i also know a few chinese clones which are in the market with 24months warranty. in fact i have one which has been up and running for over 24months with no problems.
The all theory of clones needs to be dramaticaly changed and why, because dreamultimedia only has exclusive rights for their brand... and not by the HWare components used in the box.
So for instance if i contact a manufacturer in china to produce a Envision 500 they in fact can manufacture with the same components from dm500 as long as the brand is not the same they are not comiting any ilegal act.
Why?
Because companies such as IBM and other which manufacture the components use by Dreambox also sell this same components to other companies.
Now let's say that someone independent creates a new firmware for envision box and use different mac address in envision boxes and firmware from drembox mac address , then some user buys envision and install gemini by mistake which have a timebomd on their latest firmware and ends up killing box as the mac address does not correspond for a legitimate mac address from a dreambox.
Who is responsible ??? why should other oem version brand which use same hw with different mac address should be classed as clones???? in fact 00:09:34 mac address should only be used in DM boxes and not oem versions otherwise they would be breaching dreambox mac address exclusive rights.
So who is responsible for damagin other OEM version boxes ? the owner ot the box which loaded firmware by mistake not knowing of the issue, but because image is also compatible it ended up fcuking box?
Perhaps if they Dreamultimedia dropped prices to a reasonable price like for instance DM800 as £170 people would buy the original item and not the counterfit item
Who are working on firmware for DMM ,and who was the main maintainer of the CVS tuxbox ..? compare well the name..
Dream has the idea to make more powerfull receiver and too take the old team to make it, do you think they work for free ??
So for instance if i contact a manufacturer in china to produce a Envision 500 they in fact can manufacture with the same components from dm500 as long as the brand is not the same they are not comiting any ilegal act.
Why?
Because companies such as IBM and other which manufacture the components use by Dreambox also sell this same components to other companies.
This just simply isnt true,,,,, If they produced the Envision with the same components as the dm500 with there own design, then why are they relying on the dream Head.ko driver file?
Answer: 1) they dont spend money on development to make there own bootloader!!! 2) they are using a copyrighted and patented bootloader, made and developed by DREAM soooo you explain why there doing nothing wrong..
So dreamup is not used to flash receiver?, Head.ko is not used? , and bootloader shipped with the receiver is not the property of DMM.? but they can use the hardware which they class as there own? nah sorry dont buy it.
On the otherhand,, If they had to make a tuxbox reciever,, but DID give a dam about development then they would be like companys like Dgstation or Itgate and have genuine non dreambox-clone enigma boxes which run on there own bootloaders, own firmwares, yet have the enigma feel.
End of the day, I know its not the users and customers fault,, BUT there has to be something done,, and with , no offence ment to anyone on here, there are many 'Gurus, mods and all types of member' on here actually recomending people to buy a clone,, but now there getting killed its the manufactors fault?
in conclusion no ifs or buts,, Clone is Clone, and shouldnt have the right to use dreams software/drivers and bootloaders.
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1- Are clones really clones ?
2- why are the original dreamboxes also being manufactured in china?
First question answers itself,, are clones really clones,, of course they are hence why you can pick one up for £60 when the originals were RRP £150,, ( again, the RRP should have no relavance to wheather its ok for them to kill clones or not )
Second question you again answered yourself, Yes there made in china, and about 200 yards from the main clone factory,,, but this is common practice in that type of industry, obviously cheaper for them to do that,,, but again, this isnt just dream ,, any larger company would Obviously go the cheapest route to production line, the main thing being theres is genuine.
