On Thursday, in article
<[email protected]> [email protected] "King Queen" wrote:
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
> >voting.
>
> There's a suggestion that it is a fairly transparent form of vote
> rigging.
>
> Postal votes seem to get a better turn out than "traditional" votes,
> and the Labour government have put in postal votes in the traditional
> Labour-supporting north of the country, and left traditional polling
> stations in the south.
>
> Wouldn't surprise me if this is intentional
I doubt they could win the election without cheating. I saw that Tony
Blair bloke on TV last week saying how the world was an infinitely
safer place because we invaded Iraq. The frightening thing is that he
looked like he actually believed it.
martin surprised us with
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament plopped
>>through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The kids will not
>>get a day off school" because her infants school was always used as a
>>polling station.
>>
>>The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
>>the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
>>in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
>>early, vote often".
>>
>>Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
>>voting.
>
> That depends on who they are.
>
> On Radio 4 recently they mentioned a Dutch web site that helps you to
> make your decision, does anybody have the URL.
"M.Pitt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 15:15:06 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 27 May 2004 14:45:09 +0100, "M.Pitt" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >| On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:
> >|
> >|
> >|> The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are
who
> >|> the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations
which
> >|> in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying,
"Vote
> >|> early, vote often".
> >|
> >| I could be missing the point here but WTH, if a voter has to confirm
that
> >| another voter is who they are supposed to be, then the vote itself must
be
> >| traceable? If so then the powers that be can track who votes, and
indeed
> >| who they voted for. Hardly a secret ballot.
> >
> > If one follows the instructions given, the person verifying your
identity
> > will not know how you vote.
>
> Had a little root around, I see how the vote and ID verifyer are seperated
> before posting, but the vote paper and the verifyer must have a common id
> number or mark, otherwise the one would not verify the other.
>
> Given this fact then
>
> >| I know that this is already possible with a polling booth system, but
that
> >| system is paper based and would require too many resources to be a
usefull
> >| tool. Given that all votes are postal, I suspect that computers will
figure
> >| in the validation procedure and perhaps even the count. This means the
> >| information can be analyzed v.v fast. Hence it becomes a powerful and
> >| useable tool.
> >
> > They may run the names and addresses of the identity verifiers against
the
> > electoral roll, but not a lot else. There are probably some rules on
> > what they can do but I have not found them ATM.
> >|
> >| Paranoid, not I, well not much!
> >|
> >|> Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
> >|> voting.
> >|
> >| Lets get some Politicians worth a vote.
> >
> > Stand yourself then ;-)
>
> As I said, lets get some politicians worth a vote.
Got mine yesterday, at first glance it does look a strange system, 2
envelopes, a 3foot long ballet paper & ins'.
The ballet paper is to be split into 3 pieces, the verfiied voter bit goes
in 1 env sealed, the separated ballet papers in another with the 1 env. All
the papers carry a bar code on the back, which I presume is unique.
Chris
(Kirklees voter)
--
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On Thursday, in article
<[email protected]> [email protected] "King Queen" wrote:
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
> >voting.
>
> There's a suggestion that it is a fairly transparent form of vote
> rigging.
>
> Postal votes seem to get a better turn out than "traditional" votes,
> and the Labour government have put in postal votes in the traditional
> Labour-supporting north of the country, and left traditional polling
> stations in the south.
>
> Wouldn't surprise me if this is intentional
I doubt they could win the election without cheating. I saw that Tony
Blair bloke on TV last week saying how the world was an infinitely
safer place because we invaded Iraq. The frightening thing is that he
looked like he actually believed it.
martin surprised us with
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament plopped
>>through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The kids will not
>>get a day off school" because her infants school was always used as a
>>polling station.
>>
>>The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are who
>>the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations which
>>in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying, "Vote
>>early, vote often".
>>
>>Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
>>voting.
>
> That depends on who they are.
>
> On Radio 4 recently they mentioned a Dutch web site that helps you to
> make your decision, does anybody have the URL.
"M.Pitt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 15:15:06 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 27 May 2004 14:45:09 +0100, "M.Pitt" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >| On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:
> >|
> >|
> >|> The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are
who
> >|> the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling Stations
which
> >|> in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and the saying,
"Vote
> >|> early, vote often".
> >|
> >| I could be missing the point here but WTH, if a voter has to confirm
that
> >| another voter is who they are supposed to be, then the vote itself must
be
> >| traceable? If so then the powers that be can track who votes, and
indeed
> >| who they voted for. Hardly a secret ballot.
> >
> > If one follows the instructions given, the person verifying your
identity
> > will not know how you vote.
>
> Had a little root around, I see how the vote and ID verifyer are seperated
> before posting, but the vote paper and the verifyer must have a common id
> number or mark, otherwise the one would not verify the other.
>
> Given this fact then
>
> >| I know that this is already possible with a polling booth system, but
that
> >| system is paper based and would require too many resources to be a
usefull
> >| tool. Given that all votes are postal, I suspect that computers will
figure
> >| in the validation procedure and perhaps even the count. This means the
> >| information can be analyzed v.v fast. Hence it becomes a powerful and
> >| useable tool.
> >
> > They may run the names and addresses of the identity verifiers against
the
> > electoral roll, but not a lot else. There are probably some rules on
> > what they can do but I have not found them ATM.
> >|
> >| Paranoid, not I, well not much!
> >|
> >|> Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
> >|> voting.
> >|
> >| Lets get some Politicians worth a vote.
> >
> > Stand yourself then ;-)
>
> As I said, lets get some politicians worth a vote.
Got mine yesterday, at first glance it does look a strange system, 2
envelopes, a 3foot long ballet paper & ins'.
The ballet paper is to be split into 3 pieces, the verfiied voter bit goes
in 1 env sealed, the separated ballet papers in another with the 1 env. All
the papers carry a bar code on the back, which I presume is unique.
Chris
(Kirklees voter)
--
remove"nobird" to reply> .
"martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 18:40:05 +0100, "Chris Booth"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >Got mine yesterday, at first glance it does look a strange system, 2
> >envelopes, a 3foot long ballet paper & ins'.
> >
> >The ballet paper is to be split into 3 pieces, the verfiied voter bit
goes
> >in 1 env sealed, the separated ballet papers in another with the 1 env.
All
> >the papers carry a bar code on the back, which I presume is unique.
> >
> >Chris
> >(Kirklees voter)
>
> and Bolshoi fan or what?
> --
> Martin
Sozz, for obvious typo!
Anyway may as well be, it's all russian to me!
"martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 18:40:05 +0100, "Chris Booth"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >Got mine yesterday, at first glance it does look a strange system, 2
> >envelopes, a 3foot long ballet paper & ins'.
> >
> >The ballet paper is to be split into 3 pieces, the verfiied voter bit
goes
> >in 1 env sealed, the separated ballet papers in another with the 1 env.
All
> >the papers carry a bar code on the back, which I presume is unique.
> >
> >Chris
> >(Kirklees voter)
>
> and Bolshoi fan or what?
> --
> Martin
Sozz, for obvious typo!
Anyway may as well be, it's all russian to me!
"martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 18:40:05 +0100, "Chris Booth"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >Got mine yesterday, at first glance it does look a strange system, 2
> >envelopes, a 3foot long ballet paper & ins'.
> >
> >The ballet paper is to be split into 3 pieces, the verfiied voter bit
goes
> >in 1 env sealed, the separated ballet papers in another with the 1 env.
All
> >the papers carry a bar code on the back, which I presume is unique.
> >
> >Chris
> >(Kirklees voter)
>
> and Bolshoi fan or what?
> --
> Martin
Sozz, for obvious typo!
Anyway may as well be, it's all russian to me!
"martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 18:40:05 +0100, "Chris Booth"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >Got mine yesterday, at first glance it does look a strange system, 2
> >envelopes, a 3foot long ballet paper & ins'.
> >
> >The ballet paper is to be split into 3 pieces, the verfiied voter bit
goes
> >in 1 env sealed, the separated ballet papers in another with the 1 env.
All
> >the papers carry a bar code on the back, which I presume is unique.
> >
> >Chris
> >(Kirklees voter)
>
> and Bolshoi fan or what?
> --
> Martin
Sozz, for obvious typo!
Anyway may as well be, it's all russian to me!
"martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 18:40:05 +0100, "Chris Booth"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >Got mine yesterday, at first glance it does look a strange system, 2
> >envelopes, a 3foot long ballet paper & ins'.
> >
> >The ballet paper is to be split into 3 pieces, the verfiied voter bit
goes
> >in 1 env sealed, the separated ballet papers in another with the 1 env.
All
> >the papers carry a bar code on the back, which I presume is unique.
> >
> >Chris
> >(Kirklees voter)
>
> and Bolshoi fan or what?
> --
> Martin
Sozz, for obvious typo!
Anyway may as well be, it's all russian to me!
"martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 18:40:05 +0100, "Chris Booth"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >Got mine yesterday, at first glance it does look a strange system, 2
> >envelopes, a 3foot long ballet paper & ins'.
> >
> >The ballet paper is to be split into 3 pieces, the verfiied voter bit
goes
> >in 1 env sealed, the separated ballet papers in another with the 1 env.
All
> >the papers carry a bar code on the back, which I presume is unique.
> >
> >Chris
> >(Kirklees voter)
>
> and Bolshoi fan or what?
> --
> Martin
Sozz, for obvious typo!
Anyway may as well be, it's all russian to me!
| I doubt they could win the election without cheating. I saw that Tony
| Blair bloke on TV last week saying how the world was an infinitely
| safer place because we invaded Iraq. The frightening thing is that he
| looked like he actually believed it.
It is for the Iraqi. Fewer are dieing than under Sadam.
martin surprised us with
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 18:35:05 +0100, Waldo Centini
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>martin surprised us with
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament
>>>>plopped through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The
>>>>kids will not get a day off school" because her infants school was
>>>>always used as a polling station.
>>>>
>>>>The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are
>>>>who the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling
>>>>Stations which in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and
>>>>the saying, "Vote early, vote often".
>>>>
>>>>Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
>>>>voting.
>>>
>>> That depends on who they are.
>>>
>>> On Radio 4 recently they mentioned a Dutch web site that helps you to
>>> make your decision, does anybody have the URL.
>>
>>IIRC http://www.stemwijzer.nl
>
> Groenlinks? me?
Last time I tried it ('bout two years ago) it had me down for Christen Unie!
--
Waldo
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fred wrote:
> I doubt they could win the election without cheating. I saw that Tony
> Blair bloke on TV last week saying how the world was an infinitely
> safer place because we invaded Iraq. The frightening thing is that he
> looked like he actually believed it.
I don't blame Blair. The CIA have clearly used their mind control
machine on him. They tried using their mind control machine on their own
leader, but there was a slight flaw in that plan...
| I doubt they could win the election without cheating. I saw that Tony
| Blair bloke on TV last week saying how the world was an infinitely
| safer place because we invaded Iraq. The frightening thing is that he
| looked like he actually believed it.
It is for the Iraqi. Fewer are dieing than under Sadam.
martin surprised us with
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 18:35:05 +0100, Waldo Centini
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>martin surprised us with
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Our postal votes for Calderdale Council and European parliament
>>>>plopped through the letter box today, and Clare's comment was "The
>>>>kids will not get a day off school" because her infants school was
>>>>always used as a polling station.
>>>>
>>>>The system is dead easy, just get any other voter to sign that you are
>>>>who the vote was addressed to. IMO just as secure as Polling
>>>>Stations which in Northern Ireland result in lots of Personation, and
>>>>the saying, "Vote early, vote often".
>>>>
>>>>Let us hope that the experimental postal voting increases the numbers
>>>>voting.
>>>
>>> That depends on who they are.
>>>
>>> On Radio 4 recently they mentioned a Dutch web site that helps you to
>>> make your decision, does anybody have the URL.
>>
>>IIRC http://www.stemwijzer.nl
>
> Groenlinks? me?
Last time I tried it ('bout two years ago) it had me down for Christen Unie!
--
Waldo
*** Is This A Dead Parrot I See Before Me ***
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fred wrote:
> I doubt they could win the election without cheating. I saw that Tony
> Blair bloke on TV last week saying how the world was an infinitely
> safer place because we invaded Iraq. The frightening thing is that he
> looked like he actually believed it.
I don't blame Blair. The CIA have clearly used their mind control
machine on him. They tried using their mind control machine on their own
leader, but there was a slight flaw in that plan...
