Technomate TM5402HD CI+ Super+ (Blind Search)

[Zorch]

Hi all,

I've been 'Blind Search' scanning the new satellite Eutelsat 21B at 21.5°E and I have found that the 'Blind Search' scanner is almost useless... in fact it found none of the active transponder frequencies when I searched the Ku Band between 10.700GHz ~ 11.200GHz ...when in fact there's a considerable amount of transponders/channels/feeds/Internet/Data Streams to find... but it doesn't find any of them... and most of the transponders have very good Signal Strength/Signal Quality readings...

I performed 3 'Blind Search' scans on the 10.700GHz ~ 11.200GHz part of the Ku band... and I used the following 'MHz Step' increments in descending order...

4MHz
2MHz
1Mhz

Oh, by the way... this is the equipment I am using...

Technomate TM 5402 HD CI+ Super+
Fibo 1.20m x 1.35m Dual-Offset Gregorian Antenna
Inverto Black Pro C120 Single Flange LNB [0.2dB]

Below is a list of transponders/channels/feeds/Internet/Data Streams that I manually added/scanned into my receiver from the listings on 'Flysat'... whereas the TM 5402 HD 'Blind Search' Scanner could not find any of them itself... it's really shocking...!!


Eutelsat 21B at 21.5°E

10.958 H [2950] 3/4 DVB-S QPSK [Wide Beam]

EB0000 (feed) [VPID 0308/APID 0256/PPID 8190]

Signal Strength 97%
Signal Quality 56%


10.962 H [2500] 3/4 DVB-S QPSK [Wide Beam]

ALALAM (feed) [VPID 2020/APID 2011/PPID 0110]

Signal Strength 97%
Signal Quality 60%


10.970 V [2170] 3/4 DVB-S QPSK [Wide Beam]

Baghdad TV [VPID 0518/APID 0710/PPID 0515]

Signal Strength 97%
Signal Quality 71%


10.978 V [2170] 3/4 DVB-S QPSK [Wide Beam]

Al Falastiniah TV [VPID 0100/APID 0110/PPID 0100]

Signal Strength 97%
Signal Quality 84%


10.989 H [1600] 7/8 DVB-S2 QPSK [Wide Beam]

Al Huja TV [VPID 0308/APID 0256/PPID 8190]

Signal Strength 97%
Signal Quality 78%


10.992 H [2592] 5/6 DVB-S QPSK [Wide Beam]

EB0000 (Feed) [VPID 0308/APID 0256/PPID 8190]

Signal Strength 97%
Signal Quality 61%


11.004 H [2593] 5/6 DVB-S QPSK [Wide Beam]

KNN News [VPID 0033/APID 0036/PPID 0033]

Signal Strength 97%
Signal Quality 78%


11.015 H [2666] 3/4 DVB-S QPSK [Wide Beam]

Kuwait Bureau (feed) [VPID 0033/APID 0257/PPID 0041]

Signal Strength 97%
Signal Quality 63%


11.108 H [2666] 3/4 DVB-S QPSK [Wide Beam]

FL/RCE3/CNBC (feed) [VPID 0308/APID 0256/PPID 8190]

Signal Strength 97%
Signal Quality 80%


11.111 H [2666] 3/4 DVB-S QPSK [Wide Beam]

FL/RCE3/CNBC (feed) [VPID 0308/APID 0256/PPID 8190]

Signal Strength 97%
Signal Quality 80%


11.140 H [34000] 4/5 DVB-S2 16PSK [Wide Beam]

Internet/Data Stream

Signal Strength 97%
Signal Quality 70%


I just can't believe it... this is a ridiculous amount of transponders that the TM 5402 HD 'Blind Search' Scanner could not/cannot find on this specific part of the Ku band on this specific satellite... what's going on...?

I think the 'Blind Search' Scanner is going blind...!!

Best Wishes,
Zorch

 

[Merliin]

Only found 3 transponders with the TM5402HD ? then tried the AZBox HD P+ 5MHz stepped scan what a difference

100cm + 0.2 Lnb AZBox HD P+
21.5 east Eutelsat 21B DVB-S unless stated
10978 V 2170 TV S=73% Q=62%
11003H 2592 KNN 70 54
11108 H 2666 CNBC 70 52
11475 V 2149 anWar naJaf >SNG 66 69
11487 V 2200 Diyala tv 64 33
11527 V 2856 Afak 67 43
11530 V 2856 AL-Rai 67 62
11549 V 1319 Satlink GW XE 65 72 (S2)
11561 H 2600 Drama & LDC 64 46 (S2)
11600 V 2170 Yemen Today 65 84
11619 V 12500 Skylogic 67 58
11650 V 1600 service 64 66 (S2)
11663 V 2850 Tandberg Service 64 56
11668 V 3213 Jeddah SNG3 65 40
11673 V 3213 MBC MASR feed main 65 52
11677 V 2850 Alarabiy Alhadath 64 64
11690 V 1446 Azal Satellite Channel 63 70
Weather conditions: Cloudy with rain showers
Ground reception station situated in South East UK

Now scanning 12500 to 12750 found one active transponder yesterday.

Nothing there atm.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin.]

Tried the same with same results.
Never realised so bad.

 

[mdt]

just done a blind scan on my DR-HD F15 similar to the tm5402hd with a triax td110,icecrypt 0.2db lnb on a damp overcast evening and water on the dish/lnb and found these txp,s


10.978.v.2170
10.989.h.1600
11.004.h.2593
11.488.v.2200
11.524.v.2170
11.530.v.2856
11.563.h.3800
11.557.h.3300
11.563.h.2600
11.600.v.2170
11.668.v.3124
11.672.v.3124
11.676.v.2850


ive not noticed any rise in signal levels seeing as its a brand new bird even though it employs a wide beam.. a big let down so far,regards mdt

 

[Merliin]

Big difference in some transponders a few are coming through 80% quality on the Wide-beam but the majority are only 40% quality on what may be the Western Beam aimed at North West Africa,

KNN has just moved to a much weaker beam 11004 H 2592 & now vanished again ? No Signal

10978 V 2170 Al Falastiniah TV 82% Quality
11600 V 2170 Yemen 80% Q
11690 V 1446 Azai Satellite 82% Q

They seem to be having a play with the signals atm some transponders with a good signal earlier have now gone ?

Blind Scan on the TM5402HD can only pick up 25% of the active transponders here now even the Manhattan Plaza XT finds more than that in dvb-s.

I am beginning to think that some of the transponders have now migrated to the Eastern Beam aimed at the Middle East,Northern India & Eastern Europe.

 

[Zorch]

Hi again all,

I have repeatedly scanned all three (distinct) parts of the Ku Band on this satellite... and this is what I have found so far...


FSS Band: 10.700 GHz ~ 11.700 GHz

FSS = Fixed Satellite Service (Geostationary Satellites for TV/Radio/Network Communications)

This part of the Ku Band (known as the FSS Band) seems to be the only active band ATM on Eutelsat 21B and scanning should find numerous active transponders (alas not with the TM 5402 HD) but shows no sign of any signal overspill (active transponders) from either Astra 1KR/1L/1M/2C at 19.2°E or Astra 1D/3B at 23.5°E


DBS Band: 11.700 GHz ~ 12.500 GHz

DBS = Direct Broadcast Satellite (Consumer Direct-To-Home Satellite TV)

Scanning this part of the Ku Band (known as the DBS Band) finds no active transponders from Eutelsat 21B nor does it show any signal overspill (active transponders) from Astra 1KR/1L/1M/2C at 19.2°E but it does show considerable signal overspill (active transponders) from Astra 1D/3B at 23.5°E


Telecom Band: 12.500 GHz ~ 12.750 GHz

Telecom Band = First used by France Telecom (aka BBS Band = Broadcast Satellite Services)

Scanning this part of the Ku Band (known as the Telecom Band/BBS Band) finds no active transponders from Eutelsat 21B nor does it show any signal overspill (active transponders) from either Astra 1KR/1L/1M/2C at 19.2°E or Astra 1D/3B at 23.5°E



Official Coverage/Footprint Maps for Eutelsat 21B can be seen here...

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Best Wishes,
Zorch

 

[Zorch]

Hi again all,

Addendum:
I forgot to mention that I did have some overspill this morning from Astra 1D when scanning the FSS Band: 10.700 GHz ~ 11.700 GHz

The 2 transponders/channels (below) from Astra 1D (inclined orbit) showed up on a scan at about 0700 (presumably that is one of the windows when Astra 1D briefly returns to the Clarke-Belt)

10.876 V [22000] 5/6 DVB-S QPSK
RTL Télé Lëtzebuerg

10.891 H [22000] 5/6 DVB-S QPSK
RTL Télé Lëtzebuerg

Best Wishes,
Zorch

 

[owen]

Hi ZORCH
I carried out a scan on 21e., these are my finds
10890H 21999 Quality 65
10978V 2170 '' 75
11004H 2592 '' 59
11273V 15499 '' 72
11364V 6999 '' 81
11478H 2599 '' 76
11488V 2200 '' 63
11608H 6199 '' 62
11619V 12499 '' 65
11668V 3213 '' 58
11673V 3213 '' 69
11677V 2842 '' 69
I am using a TM5402 / 100MT Dish / Lemon LNB , Location Kidderminster, Lat 52.3 Long 2.27

Hope this helps in your research DEN

 

[Zorch]

Hi owen,

Thanks for your results mate...

Did you notice that the first transponder in your list is one of the two transponders that I mentioned in Post#7 as being overspill from Astra 1D at 23.5°E

10890H 21999 Quality 65

Best Wishes,
Zorch