technical thread on MOSC's and reacent EMM

[cryptik]

do u think this will be the only fix for it, mite be hard to get a dump from an original card

is their not a way a new image can be made and block it somehow, like it did by not lettin images go to BOD

 

[ice2004]

i know what i did wrong i used the tiers from one of the images that got screwed.
im a mongo!!

 

[ByteMaster]

@davidh
Top post with that image mate I can confirm 0 thats zero channels missing with those tiers excellent find...
Going to leave this card in overnite fingers crossed.
This was asked earlier and I dont have access to a logger at this early hour but are the 3 rouge emms being sent out 24/7?
Also can anyone confirm before i hit the sack do the rights identifier in spending limits need to be changed also from ff ff ff ff to something else?
All tests done for the greater good of all.......
Oh also the tiers are 5D .....XCW

 

[i-zombie]

ok i think i must be missing something here-ive added 14 tiers to a rom 11 image and written this to a card,and im getting everything-bar mtv dance-all tiers have been ripped from old cards that had never been touched

but in the a86 davidh posted theres about 21 tiers-do some channels have seperate tiers or what-is it worth ripping the tiers i dont have on mine from the a86 image

 

[davidh]

@davidh
Top post with that image mate I can confirm 0 thats zero channels missing with those tiers excellent find...
Going to leave this card in overnite fingers crossed.
This was asked earlier and I dont have access to a logger at this early hour but are the 3 rouge emms being sent out 24/7?
Also can anyone confirm before i hit the sack do the rights identifier in spending limits need to be changed also from ff ff ff ff to something else?
All tests done for the greater good of all.......
Oh also the tiers are 5D .....XCW

ppv tiers rights identifier is ok wit FF FF FF FF c

 

[ByteMaster]

I have answered my own question
YES the dam emm seems to be as little as 10 mins another 1 bytes the dust....
Still good info for the future if this is going to be the way forward

 

[davidh]

ok i think i must be missing something here-ive added 14 tiers to a rom 11 image and written this to a card,and im getting everything-bar mtv dance-all tiers have been ripped from old cards that had never been touched

but in the a86 davidh posted theres about 21 tiers-do some channels have seperate tiers or what-is it worth ripping the tiers i dont have on mine from the a86 image

i believ sum tiers can be in blocks
like bbc1 itv bbc2 bbc3 etc etc
or individually

 

[ice2004]

i have an old card from a box in my area and i unlocked it read it and the rights identifier is 00 00 00 00 . Is this what mine should be? and for all tiers?

 

[i-zombie]

so is it worth copying the tiers i dont have on my card over-or should i just leave as is-all seems to be working and not having mtv dance is a blessing to be honest

 

[cryptik]

so will people need to mess about with tiers, or will their be a simplier solution

lucky i had a dbox spare lmao

 

[benny59]

i have an old card from a box in my area and i unlocked it read it and the rights identifier is 00 00 00 00 . Is this what mine should be? and for all tiers?

no m8, old card is no good, {you want a subbed card if you can get hold of 1}----------the rights identfier increments up on each tier

 

[cob_ob]

the diff is they have the front door key we dont

But we have master locksmiths.
wether they choose to open the door illegally is ther choice??

 

[nozzer]

ok logs

by the way been reading up that some peeps with subbed box's have had there card fooked and when they foned up the advisor said he sending out a HIT to get the card working again

those cards reported no atr's "supposedly"

so u reckon we could fix our cards with some so called emm???

The cards are deliberately looped by forcing the cards reset vector to point to an infinite loop of code. It would be impossible for a card compromised in this way to be repaired over air. Without an ATR, the box wouldn't even recognise it has a card plugged in !

As a minimum, to fix these cards would require some specialist glitching !

 

[westside]

"has anyone heard of a rom7 going down on tw yet ?????"

I use a rom7. 715. its down here, pure NTL belfast

 

[TBC]

i have not yet seen a mosc card with no atr - all the ones i have seen have had dataspace pointer errors and a few have comeback on according to what i here on the grape vine lol.

 

[edcase]

Instead of guessing .. and killing cards .. why not just run with funs or EMM mod an open card for now and do the keys manually (I know this isnt much use in the technical thread lol).

Anyway, I have just screwed up my copy of emm studio .. does anyone have a copy of KEYS.INI (with at least TW in it) that I can pinch to check out these EMMs.

edcase

 

[neorage]

From another thread :

are all the areas that have had cards fried vod areas, cos i added a few ppv tiers to my card with order dates post my area recently going vod and this is still up (rm11). obviously only legit subscribers would have ppv tiers after vod rolled out and maybe emm has this consideration built into it. ahhhh im still fckin shootin in dark, wish i knew more about this shit

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im no techhi.. but in theory this sounds correct..

as im aware,, all my fun 4's have the PPV internall eprom loaded on to them as didnt go VOD untill of recent..

now the MOSC card that update would have had the PPV channels removed from the card since VOD am i correct..

and as the TIT's emulate this to the exact card they would be the same.

thus if the PPV tiers/data is removed from the card the CC's know its bogus...

this is just guess work from the above post.. but sounds like it to me...

[posted in technial thread as well]

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bare in mind that if im correct the funs only get the latest keys from the EMM where as the TITS and MOSC run as cloned cards so would take service updates to them as well as pulling the keys ???

 

[ross1995]

hi guys
have been reading this thread trying to get my head round it ,the image i am using is still ok, still get all the channels but would be interested to know how to protect it from futher atacks when opened in nagra it only has one standard tier ps using rom11 mosc

 

[cashmere]

how can i tell which tiers give the channels i require

 

[edcase]

Why speculate ... if you were to look at the decoded EMMs (which I currently cant do as I have accidentally deleted me F***ing keys.ini) you be able to see exactly what it checks. Once you know this then you can edit your images accordingly (so that it passes the checks). Sadly this wont be the end of the story though, as they will simply start checking other things.

edcase

From another thread :



im no techhi.. but in theory this sounds correct..

as im aware,, all my fun 4's have the PPV internall eprom loaded on to them as didnt go VOD untill of recent..

now the MOSC card that update would have had the PPV channels removed from the card since VOD am i correct..

and as the TIT's emulate this to the exact card they would be the same.

thus if the PPV tiers/data is removed from the card the CC's know its bogus...

this is just guess work from the above post.. but sounds like it to me...

[posted in technial thread as well]

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bare in mind that if im correct the funs only get the latest keys from the EMM where as the TITS and MOSC run as cloned cards so would take service updates to them as well as pulling the keys ???