PS3 HDMI Cable

[hawkish]

exactly what i said,it is a standard the lead must conform to,not a brand

I have never said it was a brand!!! - You said that
here we go again :Cry:
- yes its a standard but it is also a LICENCED standard - i.e you need to 1 pay the licence to make the cables and 2 have it tested by allocated testing bodies to have it certificated to do the job. The following is taken directly from www.HDMI.org

Prior to mass producing or distributing any Licensed Product or component that claims compliance with the HDMI Specification (or allowing someone else to do such activities), each Adopter must test a representative sample for HDMI compliance. First, the Adopter must self test as specified in the then-current HDMI Compliance Test Specification. The HDMI Compliance Test Specification provides a suite of testing procedures, and establishes certain minimum requirements specifying how each HDMI Adopter should test Licensed Products for conformance to the HDMI Specification. Such compliance testing is limited to evaluation of a product's compliance with the HDMI Specification and is not designed to test the overall performance of any Licensed Product.

Second, each Adopter must submit the first product of each Licensed Product type (i.e. source, sink, repeater, or cable) to an HDMI Authorized Testing Center (ATC) for testing. Once an Adopter product of each type has passed testing, it is not required to submit to the ATC subsequent products of that type. However, Adopters must still self-test the products for compliance to the HDMI test specification. For example, once an Adopter's television has passed ATC testing, it is not required to submit another television or other display for ATC testing. However, to help ensure HDMI interoperability, we encourage Adopters to use the ATCs.


If cables are not made under licence they havent been correctly certificated - you need to PAY for the licence to make them. If you dont PAY then you dont get certificated and the lead is not an HDMI cable - it is a copy, a knockoff and quite likely not up to the task in hand.

That is just the way it is

 

[velvitjester69]

I have never said it was a brand!!! - You said that
here we go again :Cry:
- yes its a standard but it is also a LICENCED standard - i.e you need to 1 pay the licence to make the cables and 2 have it tested by allocated testing bodies to have it certificated to do the job. The following is taken directly from www.HDMI.org

Prior to mass producing or distributing any Licensed Product or component that claims compliance with the HDMI Specification (or allowing someone else to do such activities), each Adopter must test a representative sample for HDMI compliance. First, the Adopter must self test as specified in the then-current HDMI Compliance Test Specification. The HDMI Compliance Test Specification provides a suite of testing procedures, and establishes certain minimum requirements specifying how each HDMI Adopter should test Licensed Products for conformance to the HDMI Specification. Such compliance testing is limited to evaluation of a product's compliance with the HDMI Specification and is not designed to test the overall performance of any Licensed Product.

Second, each Adopter must submit the first product of each Licensed Product type (i.e. source, sink, repeater, or cable) to an HDMI Authorized Testing Center (ATC) for testing. Once an Adopter product of each type has passed testing, it is not required to submit to the ATC subsequent products of that type. However, Adopters must still self-test the products for compliance to the HDMI test specification. For example, once an Adopter's television has passed ATC testing, it is not required to submit another television or other display for ATC testing. However, to help ensure HDMI interoperability, we encourage Adopters to use the ATCs.


If cables are not made under licence they havent been correctly certificated - you need to PAY for the licence to make them. If you dont PAY then you dont get certificated and the lead is not an HDMI cable - it is a copy, a knockoff and quite likely not up to the task in hand.

That is just the way it is

look i dont really care,you can spout facts all you like,im gona side with the many reputable av magazines i read etc and all of them say it doesnt matter when going under 6 foot,unless the cable is absolute kack but no shop eg argos with their cheap hdmi cables etc is gona sell something that bad,so people can make their own mind up.

example
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1-8M-HDMI-1-3...ryZ32837QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
this cable is fine

 

[hawkish]

ha ha ha - yes dont listen to those silly facts - they do ruin your ill concieved rag assembled view on a subject you dont know enough about to advise anyone - what AV mag tells people to buy kack cables?

which? - no
what hifi? - no
what home cinema - no!!!

what on earth are you reading?

i reckon its

Cheapskate AV monthly
:FRIGHT:

 

[velvitjester69]

here genius,argue wih these tests

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/field-notes/the-truth-about-monster-cable-266616.php

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/hdmi-cab...erdict-cheap-cables-keep-upusually-268788.php

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/hdmi-cab...ster-cable-+-grand-finale-part-iii-282725.php


have you gone that in depth?i think not

note the 1st part

"• If you are going from any source to a 720p or 1080i TV set, you should really be in the clear using a full-on crappy ass cable."

most people here prob have not got 1080p tv and even over short distance its not gona matter.



and in the final link,he shows what will happen if the cable fails,ghosting etc so it will be noticible,also all the magazines that you mentioned have run hdmi tests and while they didnt say buy cheap ass,the dont go with expensive

i have used 3 euro cables up to 6 foot at 1080p using blu ray on a ps3 and they were fine,these cables are now inside the wall plaster and aint coming out antime soon,also these cables were what you called=knockoffs

before i plastered them,i compared with a mates monster 80 euro cable and guess what?identical on a 50 inch 1080p hd tv,running a full hd source

 

[hawkish]

there are a lot of companies selling for way more than cost and some budget versions will out perform the 150 quid *ahem* Monster *cough* cables. But with the right advice and reasonable budget you can get the lead to do your kit justice.

That is quoted from my own original post on here - did you not read it? Yes the monster cables are of poor quality - that is right there in black and white - all the tests on your posts are in comparison to monster cables!

I get your distain over this issue - you have made a permanent decision on youe setup and dont want to hear otherwise, you dont understand why the licensed cables are better alternative even after I have gone to great lengths to try and provide an alternative view backed up with tangiable evidence from official scources. I did that so people dont just take your bad advice and end up making a mistake, but have some actuall information that they can follow and make their own informed decision. Other people have disagreed with you on this thread and also met with a blunt 'you are wrong and I am right' responce from you.

I have seen this kind of fanboy behaviour from 12 year olds that want to do the whole my xbox is better than your playstation or whatever but going tooth for nail trying to fly the flag for low quality cabling is astonishing!

I had a right laugh at your quote on your last posts from your profesionals at gizmondo -

note the 1st part

"• If you are going from any source to a 720p or 1080i TV set, you should really be in the clear using a full-on crappy ass cable."

May I direct anyone who is still following this thread to the highly profesional advice of "you should really be in the clear using a full-on crappy ass cable" - that I believe is now an industry term lol

I have seen your past posts and noticed that you do give out good advice in general - however on this thread you really did drop the ball! Responding to a detailed informative post with

look i dont really care,you can spout facts all you like

is a desperate move from someone who is faced with nothing of value to say.

I feel I have let this run on too long and as I can tell you are just as stubborn as me I will give you the last word on this thread as I am bored of it now. I would like to mention that I dont see myself as a genius - but I am a professional in the industry that deals with this technology on a day to day basis and have done for 9 years and I feel that the information I provide here for all members is always as accurate and informative as I can provide - because thats what im here for, to provide a specialist point of view for everyone.

Im sure we agree on a lot of things but isnt it nice to disagree and learn something now and then?

as I said up there this is my last post on this as the thread is now ruined enough so your reply can be as nasty as you like - if it bothers me I can always click the ignore button and make you disappear.

 

[witchy]

your ignorance is showing

If an HDMI lead is not made under license from these guys

HDMI Licensing, LLC
1060 E. Arques Avenue, Suite 100
Sunnyvale, CA 94085
USA

Then it is not an HDMI lead - it is a lead that is shaped and created exactly like an HDMI lead. The licenced leads are designed to a tolerence that will amongst other things carry CPRM / CPRM+ / 3PPBW with pleanty of room to shove info digitally both ways at 5GB/S for 1 - 1.2a and 340 MHz (10.2 Gbit/s) for 1.3+ a lot of the features are OPTIONAL so even if you do buy a licenced one - it still may not support your features. you even have copies branded with the logo of which is illegal.



With early DVD players there were a lot of out of standard "knockoffs" doing the rounds and when a DVD disc came out that was pushing (but still well within the standard set out by the DVD forum) like "the matrix" . The unlicenced players refused to spin them.

The only succesfull integration of an out of standard copy is Phillips DVD+R / +RW format when the DVD forum finalised the recordable formats they made DVD-RAM and DVD-RW for re-recordable and DVD-R for once only. Phillips designed the new format for two reasons:-
1 They wanted to launch the first affordable dvd recorders and this meant not having to pay any licencing to the DVD forum - therefore cutting the retail of each unit substantially.
2 They offer the format as a cheaper alternative to chinese manufacturers - therefore all original cheap dvd recorders were +rw.
result - Eventually the manufactuers all sign up in order to offer compatibility with whats already on the market.

Some great information in that post mate, taught me a thing or two that I didn't know.

My eyes are shit and my 360 sits under my 50" tv so a £10 HDMI lead will do me just fine

 

[velvitjester69]

i have used 3 euro cables up to 6 foot at 1080p using blu ray on a ps3 and they were fine,these cables are now inside the wall plaster and aint coming out antime soon,also these cables were what you called=knockoffs

before i plastered them,i compared with a mates monster 80 euro cable and guess what?identical on a 50 inch 1080p hd tv,running a full hd source

@hawkish
do you not agree that with any cable if you dont see ghosting or sparklies or obvious artifacts then it is perfectly fine?
because there are some cheap cables(ie under 10) about that i find perfect and im sure you would also.
i wouldnt have plastered them in my wall if i didnt think they were perfect because i am a nit picky about video quality and have previously spend 50 quid on ixus scarts(which i agree are an excellent brand).so i am not using the fact that i have them permantly plastered them in my wall as an excuse to be a fanboy of cheap cables,i compared to expensive ones and found no difference,if i had i would have spent more

the final advice i would give to anyone is to not spend more than 15 pounds on a hdmi shorter than 2 metres.if you need longer than you are probly better off spending some more money as they may struggle with 1080p

I dont want the last word of this thread,i would like your opinion as you are obviously very experienced in this are and i agree with you completely in some areas.

 

[nozzer]

For an interesting read on the limitations of HDMI and why its a poor method for video data take a look at -

http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/whats-the-matter-with-hdmi

a very interesting read !

 

[velvitjester69]

For an interesting read on the limitations of HDMI and why its a poor method for video data take a look at -

http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/whats-the-matter-with-hdmi

a very interesting read !

very good article,thanks

 

[witchy]

Strange how the 'poor method for video data' happens to be the best picture I've ever seen - well apart from VGA.

 

[velvitjester69]

Strange how the 'poor method for video data' happens to be the best picture I've ever seen - well apart from VGA.

what vga feed did you have that was better than hdmi?vga is analogue

the only other thing i would question from the above article is to who wants to run over 50 feet of hdmi cable,because i doubt the average consumer does,so i dont really see it as a huge limitation

 

[hawkish]

@ VJ

Hi David - thanks for the invite to reply,

do you not agree that with any cable if you dont see ghosting or sparklies or obvious artifacts then it is perfectly fine?
because there are some cheap cables(ie under 10) about that i find perfect and im sure you would also.

Yes I do agree with that - cheaper shorter runs that dont introduce any artifacts that bother the viewer are perfectly servicable and will be fine picture quality wise - the only point I wanted to make was that you have to check if it conforms for the sort of features that you cant see like auto sync and control link features to name two, out of spec leads may not support these features

the final advice i would give to anyone is to not spend more than 15 pounds on a hdmi shorter than 2 metres.if you need longer than you are probly better off spending some more money as they may struggle with 1080p

That would depend on whats on either end of the cable 720p / 1080i into a product with no 1.3 facilities and yes (in my opinion)

i wouldnt have plastered them in my wall if i didnt think they were perfect because i am a nit picky about video quality and have previously spend 50 quid on ixus scarts(which i agree are an excellent brand).so i am not using the fact that i have them permantly plastered them in my wall

I am sure you spent a long time deciding on your cabling and am glad that you are chuffed with your setup (sounds like an awesome setup too). I only want to point out that there is more to these cables than pic quality alone.

as a footnote I must apologise for getting a bit flustered over this - it is really silly and geeky to go on like that and I do feel more than a bit embarased about the whole thing!

Im sure we agree on a lot!
:Cheers:

For an interesting read on the limitations of HDMI and why its a poor method for video data take a look at -

http://www.audioholics.com/education...tter-with-hdmi

a very interesting read ![/QUOTE]
That is a good article - it was first fublished before the 1.3a standard and that standard will sync the units in realtime

 

[reggie124]

i got 1 from Lidl for £3.99.......1.5m gold plated

 

[DiamondGeezer]

bought a couple from eBay, cheap and fast delivery + good quality

http://search.ebay.co.uk/hdmi_W0QQc...fmtsZinsifQQsaprchiZQQsaprcloZQQsassZpeelplus

 

[Munkey]

I've run cheap 10m HDMI cables in my setup and they do not work. Just as a general rule people should buy any mickey mouse, £1 shop el cheapo ebay cable if their setup needs a cable under 5m. Anything over that you will need to buy something better but only marginally better.

I don't know why you guys are even discussing this, component is much better anyways.. :Jester:

 

[hawkish]

I don't know why you guys are even discussing this, component is much better anyways.. :Jester:

componant - pah heres what you need

 

[velvitjester69]

@hawkish,sorry aswel,i was being an idiot.

what do you think of this,for a mate and maybe some of the guys on here.it looks ok to me?


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1-8M-HDMI-1-3...hZ023QQcategoryZ32837QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

its a good price for what seems on paper to be a good cable

it says its not category 2 certified but then also says it runs 340 mhz which would be enough for 1080p.a mate want a cable and i havent bought one off the web and dont want to buy a duffer for him

 

[Munkey]

componant - pah heres what you need

:roflmao: quality mate, although I hear washing line wire is better as its fully shielded. I'm using some to watch 1080/24 on my 12" CRT from 50 meters.

 

[hawkish]

@hawkish,sorry aswel,i was being an idiot.

what do you think of this,for a mate and maybe some of the guys on here.it looks ok to me?


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1-8M-HDMI-1-3...hZ023QQcategoryZ32837QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

its a good price for what seems on paper to be a good cable

it says its not category 2 certified but then also says it runs 340 mhz which would be enough for 1080p.a mate want a cable and i havent bought one off the web and dont want to buy a duffer for him

it should wort from what it says on the description - but I never trust ebay when it looks too good to be true!

I generally trust the ones with the actual logo on the packaging like

http://shop.panasonic.co.uk/invt/rpcdhg15eh

If you want one pm me your addy and ill pop one in the post - I have a couple of promotional ones left over here from xmas

 

[witchy]

what vga feed did you have that was better than hdmi?vga is analogue

I didn't say it was better.

I used to use a Xbox360 to VGA cable, my TV has a VGA port on the back aswell as 2 HDMI, my tvs native res is 720p, I get the same rock solid brilliant picture from the VGA lead as I do from the HDMI lead.