Eutelsat 25C at 25.5°E (Wide Beam)

[Zorch]

Hi again all,

Eutelsat 25C at 25.5°E (Wide Beam)

Eutelsat 25A has been replaced by Eutelsat 25C at 25.5°E

This satellite has been moved from 70.5°E to the 25.5°E orbital position as a temporary measure until Eutelsat 25B is launched and deployed which should take place sometime in the 2nd quarter of 2013

Eutelsat 25C has had a few name changes over the years...

Eutelsat 70A
Eutelsat W5
Eutelsat 3F1
Eutelsat W1

Original launch date: 20 Nov 2002

The new Wide Beam employed by Eutelsat 25C (see footprint below) is proving to be a lot more difficult to receive here in the UK unlike the Wide Beam of Eutelsat 25A which seemed a lot easier... however there has been one rather unexpected development with the new Wide Beam... I can now get a signal lock and watch channels on 11.585 V [27500] at certain times of the day... I was never able to get a lock on this before...

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At the moment I've got signal locks on 3 of the 6 active Transponders/Frequencies on this satellite... I have listed all of the active Transponders/Frequencies and their associated TV Channels below... I have also added my Signal Strength/Signal Quality readings to the 3 Transponders/Frequencies that I currently have locked...


11.127 V [2150] 3/4 DVB-S [QPSK] 2972 Kbps [Wide Beam]

Al Masar TV Al Oula [VPID 0308/APID 0256/PPID 8190] FTA

***No Signal Lock***


11.145 V [1120] 8/9 DVB-S2 [8PSK] 2964 Kbps [Wide Beam]

OTV Lebanon [VPID 0048/APID 0049/PPID 0048] FTA

***No Signal Lock***


11.151 V [2150] 3/4 DVB-S [QPSK] 2972 Kbps [Wide Beam]

Assirat TV Kuwait [VPID 0033/APID 0036/PPID 0033] FTA

TM 5402 HD CI+ Super+
Signal Strength 95%
Signal Quality 56%


11.164 H [7200] 3/4 DVB-S [QPSK] 9953 Kbps [Wide Beam]

Orient News [VPID 0257/APID 0258/PPID 0257] FTA
Wesal TV Egypt [VPID 0513/APID 0514/PPID 0513] FTA
Al Hayat Cinema [VPID 0769/APID 0770/PPID 0769] FTA
Oscar Drama [VPID 1025/APID 1026/PPID 1025] FTA

***No Signal Lock***


11.389 H [27500] 3/4 DVB-S [QPSK] 38.0 Mbps [Wide Beam]

Lebda FM [VPID 0711/APID 0717/PPID 0711] FTA
Mosar3 [VPID 0721/APID 0722/PPID 0721] FTA
Baghdad Hona [VPID 0731/APID 0732/PPID 0731] FTA
Al Huja TV [VPID 0741/APID 0742/PPID 0741] FTA
Al Daradaneel TV [VPID 0751/APID 0752/PPID 0751] FTA
Kalemeh Farsi [VPID 0761/APID 0762/PPID 0761] FTA
JM TV [VPID 0771/APID 0772/PPID 0771] FTA
Syria Alkrama [VPID 0781/APID 0782/PPID 0781] FTA
LDC [VPID 0791/APID 0792/PPID 0791] FTA
Halaba TV [VPID 0811/APID 0812/PPID 0811] FTA
Unrwa TV [VPID 0821/APID 0822/PPID 0821] FTA
Shamona TV [VPID 0831/APID 0832/PPID 0831] FTA
Al Iraq TV [VPID 0841/APID 0842/PPID 0841] FTA
Syria Satellite TV [VPID 0851/APID 0852/PPID 0851] FTA
Majestic Cinema [VPID 0861/APID 0862/PPID 0861] FTA
Al Mutawasit [VPID 0871/APID 0872/PPID 0871] FTA
Test Card [VPID 0881/APID 0882/PPID 0881] FTA
MTV Channel Iraq [VPID 0891/APID 0892/PPID 0891] FTA

TM 5402 HD CI+ Super+
Signal Strength 97%
Signal Quality 52%


11585 V [27500] 3/4 DVB-S [QPSK] 38.0 Mbps [Wide Beam]

Nart TV [VPID 0331/APID 0332/PPID 0331] FTA
Kalemeh Farsi [VPID 0341/APID 0342/PPID 0341] FTA
BBC News Persian [VPID 0361/APID 0362/PPID 0361] FTA
Al Jazeera Mubasher [VPID 0381/APID 0382/PPID 0381] FTA
Al Ekhbariya Syria [VPID 0391/APID 0392/PPID 0391] FTA
Bahrain TV [VPID 0033/APID 0402/PPID 0033] FTA
Al Mayadeen [VPID 0411/APID 0412/PPID 0411] FTA
Zweina Baladna [VPID 0421/APID 0422/PPID 0421] FTA
Sama TV Syria [VPID 0451/APID 0452/PPID 0451] FTA
OTV Lebanon [VPID 0491/APID 0492/PPID 0491] FTA
Taha TV [VPID 0521/APID 0522/PPID 0521] FTA
VoA TV Persian [VPID 0551/APID 0552/PPID 0551] FTA
Canary TV [VPID 0571/APID 0572/PPID 0571] FTA
Al Malakoot [VPID 0034/APID 0582/PPID 0581] FTA
Mekka Al Mukaramah [VPID 0485/APID 0495/PPID 0485] FTA
Test Card [VPID 0388/APID 0488/PPID 0388] FTA
Orient News [VPID 0399/APID 0499/PPID 0399] FTA

TM 5402 HD CI+ Super+
Signal Strength 96%
Signal Quality 50%


I have attached a few pictures below if anyone is interested... and I have also attached a PDF Brochure for the new Eutelsat 25B satellite which will be launched in the 2nd quarter of 2013


Best Wishes,
Zorch

 

[killdeer]

Not a sniff here at 8am here in West Lancs but not really that surprising as my dish is smaller.

Did you happen to notice what time of day is best?

With a bit of luck, I might just get a lock on 11151 but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Zorch]

Hi killdeer,

Not a sniff here at 8am here in West Lancs but not really that surprising as my dish is smaller.

What size dish are you using mate...?

Did you happen to notice what time of day is best?

The best time to try these transponders/frequencies is from around 5pm to 11pm (UK Time)

With a bit of luck, I might just get a lock on 11151 but I'm not holding my breath.

Yes you are correct about 11.151V ...that seems to be the easiest transponder/frequency to get a lock on... closely followed by 11.389V

I hope this helps...

Best Wishes,
Zorch

 

[killdeer]

Many thanks for that Zorch, most helpful as always.

I've recently upgraded my dish to a Triax110.

I've added 25.5e to my list of satellites and stored that strongest transponder.

I'll try again later this evening.

 

[mdt]

forget it m8 @zorch is using one of the finest satellite dishes ever made which although is listed at 1.2x1.3m it performes like a gibertini 1.5m which is no cheap crappy dish. regards mdt

 

[Merliin]

Gibertini 104cm + Inverto Black Ultra South East England

11.151 V 2150 Assirat TV Kuwait 47% Quality on TM6900HD Super

Just scanning the bands that this sat used to operate in 10950 to 11200 11200 to 11700 ect,

I did try a couple of hours ago but no signals.

 

[Merliin]

Tried all the other frequencies but only 11.151 V 2150 coming through here from 25.5 east will check my set up tomorrow to see if the tracking can be improved.

 

[mdt]

South East England

11.151 V 2150 Assirat TV Kuwait 47% Quality on TM6900HD Super

thats the key m8 south east england... up here in the north-west of england i dont get a sniff on my td110 with a dr-hd f15 and would,nt on my gibby 1.2 either if it wasnt dismantled and in my bedroom. lol regards mdt

 

[Merliin]

Yes we are nearer the footprint down here in the South of England but the original footprint top image (Wide Beam) has little resemblance to what the footprint was when this satellite was at 10 east when compared with the current footprint issued by Eutelsat that is the same as 21B @ 21.6 east ?

 

[Merliin]

This beam (Super Wide) for W1 @ 10 east even if it was further South as currently depicted is still a poor guide as is the current map for 25.5 east some of the problems may be that the power levels are much lower since the W-1 Satellite was launched on 20-11-2002,

Hope you get the 120 Gibby working again mdt.

 

[digi247]

As Stated By mdt North West using a Gibby 1.25 and not even a sniff, Zorch why do you torture us like this if i cant get a Fibo second hand then i will have to look at the Andrews 1.8m then i will be the weak tansponder master (Loud deep bellow Laugh) OH! yes i will LOL

 

[Zorch]

Hi again killdeer,

I've recently upgraded my dish to a Triax110.

I've added 25.5e to my list of satellites and stored that strongest transponder.

I'll try again later this evening.

You will increase your chances of success if you load Phantompatch 117 to your TM 5402 HD as you would then be able to position your dish much more accurately (using the DiSEqC 1.2 adjustments) than you are currently able to do with the latest Phantompatch/s...

When you are using 117 you can actually see the 'Signal Quality' bar reading fluctuating naturally... therefore you can tweak/set your dish position to a much finer degree... whereas the latest Phantompatch/s are configured in such a way that you either lock the signal or you don't... there's no indication from the 'Signal Quality' bar as to how close to a signal lock you really are...

I have attached the following files if you want to try them out...

TM 5402 HD CI+ Super+ Original Software 1.17 (16-01-2012)
TM 5402 HD CI+ Super+ Phantompatch 117 (16-01-2012)

Remember to upload/save a backup/copy of your CNDF File

All the latest Transponders/Frequencies can be found here...

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I hope this helps...

Best Wishes,
Zorch

 

[killdeer]

Hi again Zorch. You description is eloquently laid out. Do you happen to be a teacher?

I'm on patch 127p at the moment and as you say you just can't tell with these later patches just how close to getting a signal lock you are. Perhaps Phantom could bring back that useful feature in subsequent patches.

As 25.5e was not already stored on my box, I set up a dummy transponder on 26e with the parameters for that strongest transponder you found on 25.5e.

I then changed from USALS to DiSEqC 1.2 and moved the dish using the fine control very slowly westwards. As expected, I got no visible change in Signal Quality and as such I've given up hope of receiving anything on this sat with my present system.

Of course, I don't know how close I got to a lock but I don't think I can be bothered to revert to that older patch. Thanks very much again for going to all that trouble with your detailed description though.

I find it interesting that with my receiver, a Tech 54902HD, it's possible to mix USALS and 1.2 ie most of my sat postions have USALS motor control but with 7.3 west, for example, I can fine tune using 1.2.

 

[digi247]

Hi Killdeer,


Even with your Triax 1.1m which in fact is around 105cm is still not large enough to compete with the Fibo Gregorian Zorch has, the closest you will come to even matching his dish would be if you installed a 1.5m minimum, even my Gibertini 1.2m which reaches 1.3m in height cannot even compare to a Fibo, without going into technicalities how the Fibo works with its front mounted sub reflector belies its origin size the technology involved and its gain makes it how can i say matches the gain input of a standard 1.5m dish.

I have often tried to source one of these secondhand for myself but they rarely appear anywhere probably due to the fact that the owners know just how well they perform.


Regards

 

[Merliin]

Changed the Lnb today for a new Inverto 0.2 Black Ultra & getting about 5% more signal than the old BU that has been on the dish for 18 months lucky that the dish is in the garden & only 4 feet from the ground so no ladders involved,

Also checked the alignment of the dish no problems here no signals from 25.5 east until about an hour ago still only the one transponder coming through here 11151 V 2150 S1 3/4 TM5302HD Q=41%

 

[Merliin]

Getting this transponder 11390 H as well as the regular 11151 V 2150 S1 3/4 maybe resetting the 100cm has helped ?

11390 H DVB-S/MPEG-2 27500 3/4 Noorsat -w- E25C Overcome Radio
on
The Word Network -w- 2001 3001 Eng 1001
LDC (Lebanese Diaspora Channel) -w- 2002 3002 Ara 1002
Karameesh Plus -w- 2003 3003 Ara 1003
Top Movies TV -w- 2004 3004 Eng 1004
Zweina Baladna 2005 3005 Ara 1005
iFilm English -w- 2006 3006 Eng 1006
T.Sport -w- 2007 3007 Ara 1007
iFilm TV -w- 2008 3008 Ara
4008 Far 1008
HD TV 2009 3009 Ara 1009
-R- Overcome Radio
3021 1021

 

[Merliin]

Another transponder received tonight even stronger than the previous one on the 100cm set up

11585 V DVB-S/MPEG-2 27500 3/4 Noorsat -w- E25C
Nart TV -w- 331 332 Ara 153
Kalemeh Farsi 2 -w- 341 342 Ara 154
BBC Persian -w- 361 362 Far 156
Al Jazeera Mubasher Misr -w- 381 382 Ara 158
Al Ekhbariya Al Soriya (Syria News) 391 392 Ara 159
Bahrain TV -w- 401 402 Ara 160
Al Mayadeen TV Network -w- 411 412 Ara 161
Zweina Baladna -w- 421 422 Ara 162
Sama TV Syria -w- 451 452 Ara 165
OTV Lebanon -w- 491 492 Ara 169
Taha TV 521 522 Ara 172
VoA TV Persian -w- 551 552 Far 175
Canary TV 571 572 Ara 177
Al Malakoot Sat -w- 34 582 Ara 178
Makka Al Mokarrama TV -w- 485 495 Ara 185
Orient News -w- 399 499 Ara 199

 

[Zorch]

Hi again all,

I've just managed to get a signal lock on the transponder/frequency which hosts the duplicate Assirat TV channel...

11.662 V [2150] 3/4 DVB-S [QPSK] 2972 Kbps [Wide Beam]

Assirat TV Kuwait [VPID 0033/APID 0036/PPID 0033] FTA

TM 5402 HD CI+ Super+
Signal Strength 89%
Signal Quality 48%

Flysat reports that the 11.662V transponder/frequency employs exactly the same parameters as the transponder/frequency 11.151V ...however the 11.662V transponder/frequency is much much harder to receive... also the Signal Strength/Signal Quality readings are quite a bit lower... so this begs the question... is the Wide Beam the only beam on this satellite...?

Best Wishes,
Zorch

 

[Merliin]

Getting readings here on 11150 V 2150 86% Signal level 47% Signal Quality
------------------------- 11662 V 2150 78% ----------- 47% -------------

So there maybe 2 beams on Eutel 25C

Just got 11585 V DVB-S/MPEG-2 27500 3/4 back only 3 transponders received here today.

100cm Gib + Inverto BUltra + TM6900HD Super+running 7.25p software

 

[Zorch]

Hi Merliin et al,

Signal Strength/Signal Quality has been going up steadily on 11.662V throughout the day... and my current readings are...

TM 5402 HD CI+ Super+
Signal Strength 92%
Signal Quality 56%

Best Wishes,
Zorch