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I don’t know about Rotherham but there is an area called Hexthorpe just outside Doncaster with a Romanian community and the police will only go there if there is a serious crime. My mate works on maintenance for Yorkshire police and over heard two police officers discussing the matter.
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Janobi, you said "By that argument, then why are we still taking stuff back from the Nazi's, they died years ago after all. Let's let all the people that benefited from it keep what's not theirs, after all they're dead now, so what does it matter?"
What stuff are we taking back from the "Nazis" (which I would assume now to be Germany) ?
It was only in the recent past that Britain stopped paying Germany "To help rebuild the Country and Economy" because of the damage we caused to them during the war.
Spectre I agree with most of your points, but this one I cannot agree with. Without Eastern Europeans doing this work it wouldn't be done. Unqualified people, students etc are not going to pick fruit for a living, as it's back breaking work, and they dont have the inclination to perform such work. Especially when they can just receive benefits and sit around all day.
Port Talbot for instance, it has a massive steel factory, now owned by Tata, the average wage there is around 40k, this is for unskilled labour, but includes danger money due to the nature of the work. The pension scheme there is also incredible, as are the benefits. The majority of men in the area will work in the steel works (If they can) as they know it's an extremely well paid job with benefits. Yet they have little to no skills when the steel works eventually goes bust (Which it will). The average wage in Wales in 12k per annum, so that's hell of a drop for those unskilled workers to take.
Those workers are certainly not going to start picking fruit, or serving coffee's as it'll be well below what they're used to earning, but they have no skills that are really transferable. Obviously there are highly skilled people as well, the engineers etc, but the majority of the work force is unskilled.
Foodstuff didn't rot in the fields, someone used to pick it.
This displaces the people that would have traditionally done these jobs, these people didn't go up a level, they were displaced.
Spot on, as i Landlord you would not believe what people who are not prepared to work get.Whilst this is good, it doesn't go far enough imo. It's not "immigrants" that are the bane of this country, sadly it's the british people themselves, who are an entitled bunch, and feel they should be able to live their lives without working, and just sponging off the system. I know people who work the system, holiday 2/3 times a year and have quite the life.
I also know other people that are 3rd generation benefits, and are super happy about it. The problem is, that whilst they can get what they can without having to work they will continue to do so. Either drop benefits for all after 6 months, or lower what people are allowed to claim. I still find it incredulous that people are able to claim as much if not more than working a minimum wage job, surely that cant be right, and isn't encouraging anyone to go to work.
Precisely. I was posting a couple of times in this thread but deleted them, your full post above did a better job anyway.
I was going to say that people did those "unwanted" jobs long before the free movement of the EU. I remember stories of people going on "holiday" to Blairgowrie in Scotland. They were staying on a farm fruitpicking by day and living it up at night.
Minimum Wage was originally introduced to protect those on low wages. Nowadays it is used as the benchmark for how little a wage an employer can pay, the Eastern Europeans have actually driven our wages down. Agency workers at Argos, Magna Park in 2004 were paid £7-50 an hour, in 2008 they were being paid £6 an hour and probably over 70% of the agency workers were Polish.
My town Nuneaton isn't that big with the town centre consisting mainly of charity shops, coffee shops/restaurant/cafes and nail bars. It now boasts at least 4 Turkish barber shops. They're relatively cheap, do an outstanding job and the shops are attractive. They have undercut "British" barbers and there is hardly one left..
Once all the competition are gone I expect they can up the prices. What happens to the British barber? find a different job or perhaps on benefits? Good chance there is a sizeable debt to be paid off after being ousted.
Automated carwashes have been disappearing for years thanks to the handwashes that sprung up everywhere. Mainly Romanian? They're even on the Sainsburys' car park here. I've seen half a dozen of them work on one car. They probably all share a house (HMO), shared bills including food and have very little outgoings. There's no competing against that.
Yes, praise them for trying to make their lives better by leaving their impoverished countries, but there is a price to pay and that is to slowly but surely bring us down to their level.
I live in a town which has had a caravan site for travellers for as long as I can remember. Police, taxi drivers and others have always been reluctant to go there, so "no-go" areas existed long before mass EU immigration.I don’t know about Rotherham but there is an area called Hexthorpe just outside Doncaster with a Romanian community and the police will only go there if there is a serious crime. My mate works on maintenance for Yorkshire police and over heard two police officers discussing the matter.
No, they're another problemI live in a town which has had a caravan site for travellers for as long as I can remember. Police, taxi drivers and others have always been reluctant to go there, so "no-go" areas existed long before mass EU immigration.
A recent report from the Pew Research Centre estimated that the number of illegal immigrants in the UK in 2017 was between 800,000 and 1,200,000. Obviously those figures have to be treated with caution, as they necessarily involve a lot of estimates, but are credible considering that the government's last estimate (in 2007) was between 417,000 and 863,000. Those people are being exploited by unscrupulous employers, paid cash in hand and contributing nothing in taxes (although they can't claim benefits either). They manage to get here despite the UK having border checks on people coming from every EU country except Ireland, so Brexit will do nothing to stop them. Aren't they the real problem, rather than EU citizens coming here to work legally?
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