COVID-19 vaccines have prevented 7.2 million infections and 27,000 deaths

[Sandra51]

I don't think there are any recorded deaths of people catching obesity, drug addiction or alcoholism from someone with those conditions DD.

I agree that sometimes idiots should be charged for going out putting others lives at risk because of their stupidity like that poor mountain rescue guy a few months since who fell while trying to help two idiots and broke his back so that his life is now changed forever.

 

[nara]

...why should someone be FORCED to do something just because somebody else thinks they should?

...because anti-vax numpties are a danger to the rest of us.

 

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I don't think there are any recorded deaths of people catching obesity, drug addiction or alcoholism from someone with those conditions DD.

I agree that sometimes idiots should be charged for going out putting others lives at risk because of their stupidity like that poor mountain rescue guy a few months since who fell while trying to help two idiots and broke his back so that his life is now changed forever.

people dont catch obeisity, drug problems, etc, but, if the NHS is going to charge people based on their life choices causing them to end up needing the NHS services, then where does it stop

I totally agree with idiots being charged, while in the fire service, a full specialist rescue happened for a family who WALKED up a small river valley, got scared, and froze. 2 local police walked up to them, tried to walk them back, and they simply wouldnt move. Cue 4 fire crews, including climbing specialists, a command support center set up, and around 6 hours of 'rescuing'

once the last member of the family was safely at the top, the 2 coppers, and a few fire crew, simply walked back down the river

some people are beyond stupid, and SHOULD be charged

 

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...because anti-vax numpties are a danger to the rest of us.

for some diseases, yes, 101% true, but when just about everyone has antibodies, from either natural infection, or vaccine, and people are catching it from vaccinated people, what happens then? As the vaccine doesnt stop you from catching or spreading the virus

 

[Sandra51]

If people all around the world had been allowed to ignore the sensible advice to have a safe and effective vaccine prior to 1980 then people would still be dying from smallpox. Similarly the government should not allow people to not have this vaccine and allow it to carry on spreading and mutating as easily as it is going to do now that will lead to many more serious illnesses, long covid and even needless deaths for many people.

 

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smallpox mortality was 30%, covid mortality, with the admitedly inflated numbers of deaths, is less than 2.5% (latest figures is 128k deaths from 5.16 million cases in the uk), so should the entire population be forced to vaccinate against something with over 97.5% survival?

 

[muskrat]

I expected nothing more when I posted my comment, I knew the pro-vax bullies would surface with the name calling and ridiculing, as I said in my post. I don't ridicule your choice to have an experimental vaccine that the pharma companies will not be held accountable for, so why ridicule mine and drop into the name calling, questioning intelligence, and the other obvious abuse? After all if I was offered the vaccine the French were supposed to be working on, the dead virus as a vaccine, then I would have no problem taking it, just because I don't want a genetically altered material in my body doesn't make me an imbecile, and for those that say millions/billions have had the jab, lets see if it's all hunky dory in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, because, like it or not, nobody knows what the effects might be long term, if any, there will be. Just to make it clear, I'm not an anti-vaxer, I just choose not to be part of the planets biggest genetic experiment and there are thousands of eminent scientists that agree, or are they thickos as well?

 

[nara]

I expected nothing more when I posted my comment, I knew the pro-vax bullies would surface with the name calling and ridiculing, as I said in my post. I don't ridicule your choice to have an experimental vaccine that the pharma companies will not be held accountable for, so why ridicule mine and drop into the name calling, questioning intelligence, and the other obvious abuse? After all if I was offered the vaccine the French were supposed to be working on, the dead virus as a vaccine, then I would have no problem taking it, just because I don't want a genetically altered material in my body doesn't make me an imbecile, and for those that say millions/billions have had the jab, lets see if it's all hunky dory in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, because, like it or not, nobody knows what the effects might be long term, if any, there will be. Just to make it clear, I'm not an anti-vaxer, I just choose not to be part of the planets biggest genetic experiment and there are thousands of eminent scientists that agree, or are they thickos as well?

I said in post #27 that I was trying to avoid causing offence, but you've asked a question, so I'll answer it.

Your post is full of the sort of the sort of conspiracy theory crap and half-baked medical 'information' that the internet is awash with at the moment.

 

[Purity]

I expected nothing more when I posted my comment, I knew the pro-vax bullies would surface with the name calling and ridiculing, as I said in my post. I don't ridicule your choice to have an experimental vaccine that the pharma companies will not be held accountable for, so why ridicule mine and drop into the name calling, questioning intelligence, and the other obvious abuse? After all if I was offered the vaccine the French were supposed to be working on, the dead virus as a vaccine, then I would have no problem taking it, just because I don't want a genetically altered material in my body doesn't make me an imbecile, and for those that say millions/billions have had the jab, lets see if it's all hunky dory in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, because, like it or not, nobody knows what the effects might be long term, if any, there will be. Just to make it clear, I'm not an anti-vaxer, I just choose not to be part of the planets biggest genetic experiment and there are thousands of eminent scientists that agree, or are they thickos as well?

In my opinion your choice is your own and no-one should be bullied either way

I am seeing similar comment online saying, "well let's see why happens to you in a years time from this experimental drug". No-one knows what's going to happen tomorrow!

I would also say what's the long term affect of any drug? As an example Doctors don't really understand what the effects of anti-depressants have on people but does it stop millions of people taking them every day?

 

[muskrat]

Your post is full of the sort of the sort of conspiracy theory crap and half-baked medical 'information' that the internet is awash with at the moment.

Conspiracy crap? Where? Who mentioned any conspiracy? The only point I was making is there is so much conflicting information that we don't know what to believe, to quote your earlier post "Some of the postings here make it obvious that the NHS needs to improve their garbled information services." I am not one of these prats who deny Covid exists nor am I anti-vaccine, and as some people don't seem to be able to understand this I will say it again, I do not wish to take part in genetic experiments, roll out a vaccine that really is a vaccine, ie dead or inactivated virus, and I'll be at the front of the queue. What I don't understand is the animosity to anyone who raises any kind of objection to government rhetoric. I am not be a medical expert but I do know when something is not quite right and being fed conflicting advice by the so called experts makes me question what I am being told. The jab just means that a person is better protected against Covid, it does not stop them getting it nor passing it on, so what difference does it make apart from stopping anyone vaccinated getting a really bad dose of Covid? It's not going to stop it spreading, nor is it going to stop people getting it, if fact it may make it spread more as the people who have had the jab would have had confidence in the jab and went about their lives as normal without any precautions until the news that it doesn't stop you passing it on came out. I'll say no more on this as the other jabbed medical experts on here obviously know better than everybody else and questioning rhetoric is to be ridiculed and different thinking just attracts abuse from the smug who have had the jab.

 

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Your post is full of the sort of the sort of conspiracy theory crap and half-baked medical 'information' that the internet is awash with at the moment.

but, is your opinion not based upon the same internet based theories and half truth medical information that the internet is also awash with?

My wife has been told by 3 different doctors that she should not under any circumstances have the jab, shes been told to ensure she has the jab at the first opportunity, and shes been told that its up to her. All 3 doctors are fully aware of her medical issues, and they cannot agree, because the information they give out, is based on the information available to them

Theres thousands of scientists cleverer than us lot, on both sides of the argument.

Look at past vaccines for anything. Find something that was discovered, and cured in less than a couple of decades, we will wait

Remember when they said Thalidomide was safe to take for morning sickness?

Whatever your opinion is, you cannot escape the fact that this covid vaccine is still very much in its infancy, and NOTHING is known about any possible longer term effects

 

[nara]

but, is your opinion not based upon the same internet based theories and half truth medical information that the internet is also awash with?

No.

 

[trevortron]

No.

Therefore @nara we can only assume your opinion is based on TV & other mainstream media.
It's my opinion that they cannot be trusted to be impartial, there are countless conflicts of interest.

 

[nara]

Therefore @nara we can only assume your opinion is based on TV & other mainstream media.
It's my opinion that they cannot be trusted to be impartial, there are countless conflicts of interest.

Opinions are like...well, you know the rest.

 

[digidude]

No.

so in that case, your opinion is not actually an opinion at all, but the narrative that the media has been told to spout, and you are blindly regurgitating it, and hoping that if you shout it loud enough, youll be able to also suppress your own fear that just maybe its not all you hoped it would be. even the anti-vaxers who have looked at conspiracies and half baked truths have done more research than someone who just blindly does what theyre told to do

Theres people in intensive care in wales, who have had both jabs (google it, todays wales online has it). the government and scientists are continuously saying 'we got it wrong', a few months after sh!t goes sideways. The 'rules' and 'guidelines' are, and for the majority of the time, have been, a total farce.

My opinion, is open everything back up within the UK, we are an island, so could easily keep things contained (look at new zealand), let people make their own choices (which a lot of people will totally take the pi$$, and cause mayhem), and let things take their course. People are going to die anyway, we are all eventually going to die, but the last 18 months, for most people, hasnt really been living at all.

If youve had jabs, yay for you, if you want to wear a mask, crack on, but any consequences are down to your own actions and choices. We cant keep on going like this

 

[avid]

So I was thinking of going Ibiza but changed my mind due to the fact you have to have a negative test result within three days of returning to the uk.
If it’s positive you can’t get on your return flight and have to go into an isolation hotel at your own cost and for that reason I changed my mind.
Now I have found out today that one of my daughter friends has been in Ibiza this week and when she got tested for her return journey she tested positive for Covid.
So that meant she wasn’t able to travel. She told her partner her situation and he told her leave with me.
Turns out he visits Ibiza regularly and has friends living there and managed to pay for a fake negative test results and she was able to get her flight.
That leaves me to think that these positive test are not being reported to the authorities properly.
This leaves bad taste in the mouth and sounds really fu@ked up tbh.

 

[Sandra51]

So I was thinking of going Ibiza but changed my mind due to the fact you have to have a negative test result within three days of returning to the uk.
If it’s positive you can’t get on your return flight and have to go into an isolation hotel at your own cost and for that reason I changed my mind.
Now I have found out today that one of my daughter friends has been in Ibiza this week and when she got tested for her return journey she tested positive for Covid.
So that meant she wasn’t able to travel. She told her partner her situation and he told her leave with me.
Turns out he visits Ibiza regularly and has friends living there and managed to pay for a fake negative test results and she was able to get her flight.
That leaves me to think that these positive test are not being reported to the authorities properly.
This leaves bad taste in the mouth and sounds really fu@ked up tbh.

I think it would be foolish for anyone to travel abroad, just for a holiday while the pandemic is so virulent, as all those holiday places will have people coming from all over the world with who knows which variants and what conditions there are in their countries and whether they really have had their vaccinations or negative tests or are they faking them, as explained this week how to use the NHS app on your phone to "prove" that you are negative even without even taking the test.

 

[nara]

so in that case, your opinion is not actually an opinion at all, but the narrative that the media has been told to spout, and you are blindly regurgitating it, and hoping that if you shout it loud enough, youll be able to also suppress your own fear that just maybe its not all you hoped it would be. even the anti-vaxers who have looked at conspiracies and half baked truths have done more research than someone who just blindly does what theyre told to do

Here we go again! The same old, same old. Conspiracies and half-baked truths.


We're all going to be f*cked at this rate.

 

[trevortron]

Here we go again! The same old, same old. Conspiracies and half-baked truths. View attachment 136419


We're all going to be f*cked at this rate. View attachment 136420

The predictions of the so-called "conspiracy theorists" have consistently been more accurate than those of the so-called "government experts".

 

[Sandra51]

The predictions of the so-called "conspiracy theorists" have consistently been more accurate than those of the so-called "government experts".

Sadly with that one statement you have shattered any illusions of creditability that your arguments may have actually had, no matter how tenuous they were.