COVID-19 vaccines have prevented 7.2 million infections and 27,000 deaths

[chookey]

LOL just hang me took the two but no more for me

Your choice if you don't want to maintain your protection after already having took 2 jabs.
A weird one but yours to make.
Just under 2 years ago I was lying on a hospital bed thinking I had minutes left to live. Life is precious mate and now I would do practically anything to prolong mine. Something as easy as a jab in the arm is a no brainer.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin.]

So if vaccines have saved 27,000 lives and lockdown cost 300bn a year and we know at risk groups were jabbed by April that is 4 months of lockdown at 75bn so really that is a massive cost per life saved.

Depends how much you value life?

 

[silverdale]

 

[muskrat]

I'm not an anti-vaxer, I'm a personal choicer. Considering how many lies and how much BS has been put out by this government are you really surprised that there are people who don't want an experimental "vaccine" never ever before used on human beings. Why did we have to go down the path of genetically altered material? How come we can't go down the conventional vaccine path?

What it all boils down to isn't tin-hat brigade, it's do you trust and believe the shower of s**t in control at the moment? Just look at the multitude of people lining up to ridicule those who don't trust the government BS, first it was mask shaming, now it's jab shaming, people have a choice about what they put into their bodies, let them have that choice without shaming and ridiculing them. After all, if you've had the jab what have you to worry about and how do people that haven't been jabbed affect you, the "vaccine" will protect you will it not?

 

[silverdale]

The vaccine is not a Covid Killer it's a small dose of Covid-19 slightly altered so your body prepares itself with your own anti bodies. There's no Hocus Pocus toxic chemicals your body makes it's own defence to lessen Covids potency.

We've been doing this similar method for donkeys years with the flu jab we're labs change/modify it on a yearly basis to which variant hits our shores but I don't see millions complaining about that.

If we're going to blame Big brother and conspiracy theory's everytime there's a pandemic then as a race we are going to struggle.

Look how many people have required ICU treatment even though Covid cases are on the steep upward curve. If that's not evidence to say it lowers the mortality death rate then I don't know. Or their lying and 2 of my relatives are not dead but instead their hiding up the lake district in secret Goverment holding pens.

Vaccines are saving life's that's a fact. You are bound to get 1 or 2 people who react to the jab but considering 45 million have had it your more chance been struck by lightening.

I was talking to a friend Sunday and he said his parents are against it and won't have it, both are in their late 70's.
He said they can't wait till the 19th for all restrictions to end so they can meet friends and relatives and grandkids.


Seriously, I fear for them

 

[Purity]

I guess there will be lots of people in the same boat, and these people have decided to take the gamble by not getting vaccinated. I can imagine there will be 100,000 cases per day, as is being stated

We have a family friend who was a total non-believer of covid. Didn't think it was real, and carried on as normal.....until he got covid :-(

 

[nara]

We have a family friend who was a total non-believer of covid. Didn't think it was real, and carried on as normal.....until he got covid :-(

Shame about that, but no sympathy I'm afraid. How can some people be so dumb?

I'm not an anti-vaxer, I'm a personal choicer. Considering how many lies and how much BS has been put out by this government are you really surprised that there are people who don't want an experimental "vaccine" never ever before used on human beings. Why did we have to go down the path of genetically altered material? How come we can't go down the conventional vaccine path?

What it all boils down to isn't tin-hat brigade, it's do you trust and believe the shower of s**t in control at the moment? Just look at the multitude of people lining up to ridicule those who don't trust the government BS, first it was mask shaming, now it's jab shaming, people have a choice about what they put into their bodies, let them have that choice without shaming and ridiculing them. After all, if you've had the jab what have you to worry about and how do people that haven't been jabbed affect you, the "vaccine" will protect you will it not?

While we're on that subject I was talking about above...need I say more without causing offence?

 

[silverdale]

It's the same old story, some people will only believe it once they get it.
A close friend of mine has health issue's months after having Covid.
He's a self employed spark, proper grafter but he's hardly done a day's work due to breathing issues and tiredness and now depression.
There's people in thier 80's A symptomatic and some in their 20's-30's suffering from long term issue's.
I'm happy to be vaccinated, if you decide not to that's your choice but I can tell you this, once the 19th comes those who choose not to at some point will definitely contract Covid.

I just hope its mild and not long term

 

[kegnkiwi]

My Mrs went into here office for the 1st time last Monday. She went in to train a new employee who started that day. They were sharing screens etc so reasonably close. The next day the lad who is in his 30's and an asthma suffer and not taken the jab due to feeling its too experimental starts feeling unwell. He takes a latteral flow test a bang its positive. The company has the close the office and my Mrs is told she has to isolate for 10 days. She's taken 5 lateral flow tests and luckily not positive. The lad on the other hand is learning his lesson. He is down with it really bad like he's been kicked about with really back back pains, his wife has also come down with it and the 3 kids have been pulled out of school. They have no support around them to help out.

The Mrs tells him that there is a reason why the world has been shut down for the last year. His reply. Yes it really does, It's just a really nasty virus and when you get it bad it makes you realize. Some people have said they only got mild symptoms and have played it down like it's a cold. It's much much more than that.

I'm hoping he makes a full recovery, but another in the same office is also now down with it and he only has had one jab.

 

[chookey]

I'm not an anti-vaxer, I'm a personal choicer. Considering how many lies and how much BS has been put out by this government are you really surprised that there are people who don't want an experimental "vaccine" never ever before used on human beings. Why did we have to go down the path of genetically altered material? How come we can't go down the conventional vaccine path?

What it all boils down to isn't tin-hat brigade, it's do you trust and believe the shower of s**t in control at the moment? Just look at the multitude of people lining up to ridicule those who don't trust the government BS, first it was mask shaming, now it's jab shaming, people have a choice about what they put into their bodies, let them have that choice without shaming and ridiculing them. After all, if you've had the jab what have you to worry about and how do people that haven't been jabbed affect you, the "vaccine" will protect you will it not?

"I'm not an anti-vaxer, I'm a personal choicer." There is only 1 box you fit into mate and it isn't very complimentary. You choose to believe you know more about the vaccine than the highly educated, eminent Professors and Scientists who either created it or were involved in the testing and licensing of a vaccine.

"are you really surprised that there are people who don't want an experimental "vaccine" never ever before used on human beings." There has currently nearly 3.5 billion jabs been administered worldwide, and rising daily.
How many do you "seemingly as an expert" deem appropriate before you would consider it safe to follow suit?

" if you've had the jab what have you to worry about and how do people that haven't been jabbed affect you, the "vaccine" will protect you will it not?"
This just about sums it up. Being vaccinated isn't only about protecting yourself. It's also about protecting others from yourself. Being vaccinated is a very unselfish act. Geniuses such as yourself are the main reason this awful virus will be amongst us for a long time, possibly even for ever.

 

[Sandra51]

It seems that some people prefer to play Russian roulette, or similar, rather than take the safe option that 99% of the doctors and scientists seem to agree is the best thing to do to protect yourself and others from serious harm or even death.

Maybe they passed their GCE "O" level in biology exam, or whatever replaced it when they dumbed down the education system to the lowest common denominator by scrapping the grammar schools and introducing the comprehensive system, so they know much better about how viruses and vaccines work than the doctors and scientists do.

 

[Purity]

The Mrs tells him that there is a reason why the world has been shut down for the last year. His reply. Yes it really does, It's just a really nasty virus and when you get it bad it makes you realize. Some people have said they only got mild symptoms and have played it down like it's a cold. It's much much more than that.

Yea my best mate had it. He said it is really nasty and you don't want it. He is a very fit and healty person and he was having breathing issues. First opportunity he had to get vaccinated he took it as he didn't want to experience the same again

 

[Purity]

My view is that if someone decides to not have it, then that's there choice, no issue there from me.

What I think is that if someone has refused to have it, or ignore requests to have it and they end up in hospital then they should pay for treatment in addition to the taxes they already pay for the NHS. I think that's fair if they've chosen not to have it

 

[nara]

My view is that if someone decides to not have it, then that's there choice, no issue there from me.

No issue there. Provided they wear a large badge readable at a distance of six feet, so that I can stay the f*ck away from them.

What I think is that if someone has refused to have it, or ignore requests to have it and they end up in hospital then they should pay for treatment in addition to the taxes they already pay for the NHS. I think that's fair if they've chosen not to have it

Agreed.

 

[chookey]

My view is that if someone decides to not have it, then that's there choice, no issue there from me.

What I think is that if someone has refused to have it, or ignore requests to have it and they end up in hospital then they should pay for treatment in addition to the taxes they already pay for the NHS. I think that's fair if they've chosen not to have it

I also agree that they should have the right to refuse it. I think if they do though that they should keep their pathetic reasons for not doing so to themselves. The amount of people who are against it and try to justify it by declaring how, " the Government can't be trusted", "I don't know what's in it so won't take it" or "I'm hoping to achieve herd immunity on the backs of those who have had the jab" just doesn't wash with me. In fact as some may notice it annoys the **** out of me.
For the sake of my blood pressure this will be my last foray into this thread. The OP started this thread to applaud the undeniable benefits of the vaccine, and yet, some seem to think they know better.

 

[nara]

The OP started this thread to applaud the undeniable benefits of the vaccine, and yet, some seem to think they know better.

The Internet has a lot to answer for. It's reponsible for the numpty "My opinion is just as valid as your facts" mindset.

 

[Purity]

I also agree that they should have the right to refuse it. I think if they do though that they should keep their pathetic reasons for not doing so to themselves.

I agree with this. I don't go round telling people I've had the vaccine and forcing my opinion on people. As I've said people can choose either way. It's crazy how many people force their own opinions on others about not having the vaccine.

Prime example, I had a this posted through my letterbox the other day:



So they are telling me that the there must be freedom of choice, but this looks like a forced opinion to not have the vaccine!! Exactly the same as what they are complaining about!! You can't make this up!! Maybe they don't see the irony?

 

[Sandra51]

I agree with this. I don't go round telling people I've had the vaccine and forcing my opinion on people. As I've said people can choose either way. It's crazy how many people force their own opinions on others about not having the vaccine.

Prime example, I had a this posted through my letterbox the other day:

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So they are telling me that the there must be freedom of choice, but this looks like a forced opinion to not have the vaccine!! Exactly the same as what they are complaining about!! You can't make this up!! Maybe they don't see the irony?

Luckily they told you where all the nutters in your area will be between 10 and 11 am on Sundays, so you can avoid them and go and meet up with the more normal, sensible and responsible people.

 

[digidude]

This just about sums it up. Being vaccinated isn't only about protecting yourself. It's also about protecting others from yourself. Being vaccinated is a very unselfish act. Geniuses such as yourself are the main reason this awful virus will be amongst us for a long time, possibly even for ever.

this virus will be here for ever, just like the common cold, and just like the flu. We need to learn to deal with it. Its not going anywhere, and it will continue to mutate, just like the flu virus does.

since march, the government has been expecting a 3rd wave, around august. They expect 70% of people hospitalised and dying in this wave to have had 2 vaccine shots, read about it here(page 21) https://assets.publishing.service.g...arwick_Road_Map_Scenarios_and_Sensitivity.pdf

All along, they have said that getting vaccinated will 'give YOU a greater level of protection'. The YOU in his is the important bit. You can, and will still catch it, you can and will still spread it, and, you may or may not show any symptoms.

As you have had the jab(s), your body has created antibodies, just like if you had caught covid. The jabs work in one of 2 different ways, one is very close to gene therapy, the other is a normal vaccine.

people say 'but if you havent been vaccinated, you cannot go on holiday', and, from monday, youll need your 'covid passport' to get into most night clubs in england.

If youve had BOTH jabs, after a couple of weeks, youll have a covid passport thats valid for 28 days. The government can revoke this pass at any time by saying that you need a 3rd jab as a booster. At the time of this post, after 28 days, you can simply renew it, as long as you havent had covid, or been told to isolate

If you have NOT had a single jab, you can get a 48 hour pass, by simply taking an at home LFT test, and registering the result (as long as its negative, obvs), the pass will be available to you within less than 2 hours

If you have had covid, and after 10 days, have a negative PCR test, you are deemed to have natural immunity for at least 180 days, and will have a 180 day pass

all of the above is available on just about every government and NHS website, you can phone the covid help line or ask your GP

Having the vaccine is about protecting yourself, and only yourself, and trying to ensure that you dont become a burden on the already stretched NHS.

The majority of covid cases in the future, will be vaccinated people, because more people will have been vaccinated

 

[digidude]

What I think is that if someone has refused to have it, or ignore requests to have it and they end up in hospital then they should pay for treatment in addition to the taxes they already pay for the NHS. I think that's fair if they've chosen not to have it

then the same should happen to people treated for drug addictions, alcoholism, obesity, people who self harm, people who choose to put themselfs into situations that go wrong, such as walking their dog across a rocky beach or mountain, and slip and break their leg, needing helicopter rescue, or mountain rescue, someone who gets washed out to sea on a rubber ring and needs the coastguard rescue, where would it stop?

why should someone be FORCED to do something just because somebody else thinks they should?