Griffin complaint over BBC 'mob'

[ellie1998]

I don't like what the bnp stand for and never will but Jack Straw left himself wide open when he started to spout about our brave boys from WW2.

I thought that question time would have been used to show the bnp for what they were but it didn't it just showed that the other partys don't have a clue either.

A non violent member of the kkk and no one questioned this statement ??? I would have tore this statement apart but it was allowed to pass.

They also let the not believing in the holocaust go and many other things.

Instead of showing the bnp in a bad light it highlighted the faults in the main partys especially jack straws denials that the bnp got in because of the total lack of control over immigration, he tried to say it was because of the expenses scandal which is complete rubbish, if they really believe this then I am really concerned about the results of the general election next year.

I watch question time every week and it was the most poorly run episode I have ever watched.

A good opportunity was missed to show the bnp for what they really are instead it has enhanced the bnp's publicity, Yesterday 8 of the 10 items on yahoo.co.uk were about nick griffin and this morning as I type this 3 out of 10 are about him.

Labour let in migrants 'to engineer multicultural UK' | Mail Online this artitcle today will just add to what has been said by nick griffin and will I fear have more people voting bnp next year

 

[baron]

My point exactly. The fact that some of our posters haven't noticed this is disappointing.

Most of the posters are working alone

If you beat someone long enough with a stick [straw pole] eventually you will beat back, he well deserved that reply

 

[nara]

Now come on Hamba and Nara.

I am on the side of Jack Straw, but it was he who brought up brave soldiers dying during WW2 for freedom and liberty, of all colour.

He left himself open, and deserved the cheap shot.

Point taken. Perhaps hamba and I were brought up in an era where politics was about serious debate rather than cheap shots.

We also have the seperate issue of whether concientious objection was cowardly.

 

[señor ding dong]

Point taken. Perhaps hamba and I were brought up in an era where politics was about serious debate rather than cheap shots.

Politics has always been about grandstanding and rhetoric, and much as I despise Griffin, this was an extremely effective comeback. One of his few inspired moments of the evening.

 

[hamba]

Politics has always been about grandstanding and rhetoric, and much as I despise Griffin, this was an extremely effective comeback. One of his few inspired moments of the evening.

Well if that was effective and inspired then I'm too, too old and confused and might as well lie down.

It was a fool grasping at straws! no pun intended.

 

[señor ding dong]

Well if that was effective and inspired then I'm too, too old and confused and might as well lie down.

It was a fool grasping at straws! no pun intended.

No, that's how you win support from a public that's grown weary of rhetorical BS and dishonest politicians. A guy like Griffin isn't going to win support from reasonable, intelligent people. He needs to appeal to the bitter, disgruntled contingent, and I guarantee you, that comeback would have played well with his target demographic. Unfortunately for him, it was mostly downhill from there, though.

 

[nara]

....and I guarantee you, that comeback would have played well with his target demographic.

An excellent point!

 

[stevemac40]

My point exactly. The fact that some of our posters haven't noticed this is disappointing.

Agreed entirely.

NG didn't bring any coherent argument at any point, everything he said was systematically destroyed by the panel and the audience, he consistently lied throughout the show (and was rightfully picked up on it).

The audience represented the general public, there was no bias. However it came across on the show, as it does in general life that the public find the BNP and NG intollerable and vile. The BNP draws most of its votes from the underclass of society, it's just a shame that such people share the same right to vote as me.

 

[v14]

Agreed entirely.

NG didn't bring any coherent argument at any point, everything he said was systematically destroyed by the panel and the audience, he consistently lied throughout the show (and was rightfully picked up on it).

The audience represented the general public, there was no bias. However it came across on the show, as it does in general life that the public find the BNP and NG intollerable and vile. The BNP draws most of its votes from the underclass of society, it's just a shame that such people share the same right to vote as me.

Any other groups you'd like to exclude from the democratic process?

 

[señor ding dong]

The BNP draws most of its votes from the underclass of society, it's just a shame that such people share the same right to vote as me.

But where do you draw the line for "underclass"? The average Brit is by definition only of average intelligence, considerably lower than myself and others who by your standards might then consider them unqualified to vote. If you want freedom and democracy, you've gotta take it warts and all, even if Griffin and his ilk are an unsightly group of warts.

 

[emarald]

Agreed entirely.

NG didn't bring any coherent argument at any point, everything he said was systematically destroyed by the panel and the audience, he consistently lied throughout the show (and was rightfully picked up on it).

The audience represented the general public, there was no bias. However it came across on the show, as it does in general life that the public find the BNP and NG intollerable and vile. The BNP draws most of its votes from the underclass of society, it's just a shame that such people share the same right to vote as me.

Here is the members list for 2009 look how many are underclass

 

[Munkey]

Jack Straw is as bad his old man, I don't hold his opinion any higher than Nick Griffins. He was foreign secretary and a key player in taking us to war with Iraq and as home secretary is partially responsible for the mess this country is in. Too think that one is a better person than the other is rather silly.

NG preaches separation in this country. Jack Straw and his Labour colleagues are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's. I wonder which is worse?

 

[ellie1998]

Here is the members list for 2009 look how many are underclass

shouldn't be on here.
reported to admin.

just because the bnp are scum doesn't take away their rights under the data protection act 1998

you are as bad as them yourself, printing names and addresses is what I would expect the facists to do.

 

[MH]

Removed the list

 

[Rs2k_Rider]

I thought the show was a joke tbh, more just a dig at dig......

The BNP took a huge % of the vote in my local area, and I think they will prob take power next time from labour here.... it was close last time. All I think the programme achieved was free publicity for the bnp.

 

[v14]

My Dad's better than your Dad - isn't that about primary school debate level: early years?

I think it ranks as pretty pathetic.

Do you ever watch Prime Ministers question time?

It's very reminiscent of the school playground.

 

[señor ding dong]

The BNP took a huge % of the vote in my local area, and I think they will prob take power next time from labour here.... it was close last time. All I think the programme achieved was free publicity for the bnp.

Yes, the protesters' plan to deny Griffin access to a mainstream platform somewhat backfired. All they did was guarantee him a record audience.

As for voting:

One in five would 'consider' voting BNP - Yahoo! News UK

 

[stevemac40]

Any other groups you'd like to exclude from the democratic process?

No, unfortunately my vote counts the same as somebody who has never done a days work in their life, has always relied on government payouts to survive, was taught that the you pick your pay slip up at the dole office by their parents, and are teaching their children the same thing, they've probably had run ins with the police (maybe spent time at HMs pleasure). We all know people like this, and I would be happy to bet that these are the most likely people to be swayed by the BNP.

Before the usual lot start talking about disabilities, i think its quite clear they arent the people i'm referring to.

 

[stevemac40]

Yes, the protesters' plan to deny Griffin access to a mainstream platform somewhat backfired. All they did was guarantee him a record audience.

As for voting:

One in five would 'consider' voting BNP - Yahoo! News UK

If you actually read the stats the popularity has declined, they recieved 6.2% of votes in Junes European Ballot yet now only 4% class themselves as defenitley considering voting BNP, what happened to the other 2.2% that did vote, would they no longer defenitely consider it. Hmmmmm.

Stats can be a very dangerous thing in the wrong hands.

 

[v14]

No, unfortunately my vote counts the same as somebody who has never done a days work in their life, has always relied on government payouts to survive, was taught that the you pick your pay slip up at the dole office by their parents, and are teaching their children the same thing, they've probably had run ins with the police (maybe spent time at HMs pleasure). We all know people like this, and I would be happy to bet that these are the most likely people to be swayed by the BNP.

Before the usual lot start talking about disabilities, i think its quite clear they arent the people i'm referring to.

It's called democracy m8.

Maybe you'd prefer a return to feudalism.