No wonder we are a country in debt

[speedy1234]

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Lets not try and get peeps banned please

dont know if any posts was deleted ...but realy i cant see any name calling just ppl being straight and not hiding behind the pc
brigade. sooner we get out the E.U the better every 1 is. scared to open there mouth well unless ur in the minority ..

 

[The Dentist]

Jesus H christ!!!

The amount of moaning and groaning you would think this was a porn thread. Maybe it should be in the adult room???

Everyone has a story, everyone knows someone who is scrounging off the system. so what?? I know people who scrounge off the system, i know people who come here and dont contribute but earn more than me and drive better cars and live in better houses. So what?? Hating them aint gonna get me a better car or more money or a bigger house. Obviously they saw an opportunity and went for it.
You go on about doing your house up and theres albanians and pakistanis who do the job, yet who employed them?? you're the one who got them doing the job in your house for a reason, maybe they did a good job?
Theres opportunities everywhere. Life is hard, nothing in life is easy unless you are prepared to put the effort and hard work in, no matter how many set backs or you have rich parents. I have mates who are plumbers, painters and decorators, electricians, all who have worked hard and dont complain that foreigner have taken their jobs. They employ foreigners and people from england alike. I grew up in a council estate and didnt have a handout, i never took a penny from the government in my life. The only money i took was child benefit when my parents used to get it. I've had set backs, people telling me i cant make it cos i aint got the background or aint in the "circle". I've been in jobs where i have done most of the job and the manager taking all the credit, yes its pissed me off but life is like that. you start at the bottom and rise to the top IF YOU DESERVE IT.
Theres money to be made, cleaning the streets, cleaning windows, washing cars, whatever. the best example of hard work i see are in the foreginers these days.
My local car wash charge 7 quid to wash a car, they employ about 10 people in a small street corner, they start work 7 in the morning and finish 8 at night. they are all foreigners, they work whether its hot or cold or snowy or rainy without complaining and they all work everytime i go there.
My advice, stop complaining and do something about it. its more productive and it feels better, more satisfying rather than all the hatred. nobody is depriving nobody of the opportunity, you juust have to look hard enough and find it.

 

[Clinkers]

You don't need a passport if your country is signed up to the Schengen agreement (UK and Ireland arent)

From Wiki
"In 2006 the directive on the right to move freely (2004/38/EC) was implemented, meaning that passportless travel is allowed in the entire European Union, if having a national identity card from an EU country. For some a passport a necessary anyway, since not all countries issue such cards for their citizens, and because Sweden requires a passport when travelling from that country to EU countries outside Schengen."

People from the EU dont need asylum to move to another EU country: they have the same human rights that the European Court of Human Rights in Spain, Holland, France, etc. If war broke out tomorrow and they fled the country, they wouldnt be seeking asylum, they'd be war refugees. It's not just word play, if someone is trying to get into UK and claiming asylum, if they are found to be lying or not suitable, they can be deported back to the country they came from. People from a EU counrty are entitled to come and go within other EU as they please.

I'm not disagreeing with you (dont think Cuebase is either, and I don't get your potato reference either), the problem is the social welfare in the UK and here in Ireland. There are NO direct flights from Nigeria to Ireland, yet we have thousands of Nigerian asylum seekers. Like someone else said, they went through how many safe EU countries to get here, why? Housing, welfare payments, medical care, right to bring family over after a set time. Look up Pamela Izevbekhai on Google, where a wealthy Nigerian with a bullshit story tries to claim asylum, goes to court 25 times (legal aid), and finally gets refused by ECHR. She's still in Ireland, but is meant to be deported soon. I'll believe it when I see it. A lot of people make a lot of money out of the asylum process, especially solicitors, and when it's allowed to drag on for years, they make more.

Anyway, blame the system. If Nigeria would give me a Ferrari, 10 bed mansion and blowjobs on tap, I'd be claiming asylum there!

It's easy to point to people who are obviosly foreign because of their skin, but there are way more homegrown welfare families who dont/wont work, but becasue they are "entitled" to benefits, it's almost seen as "not so bad". I think it is, mooching off the taxpayer with no intention of putting anything into it in income tax isnt fair on the ones who do work and pay their taxes, no matter who does it. ANd I know, they pay tax through VAT like everyone else, but where do they get the money to spend? The taxpayer.

It was worked out a while ago here that if you got all allowable welfare payments here in Ireland, a married couple with two kids would get the equivalent of €32000 if they were both unemployed. Cost of living in Ireland is way higher than the UK: I cant afford to go to the doctor or dentist at the minute cos I dont have €185 for the doc (€60 doc visit and €125 max for presciption) or €490 for dentist (400 for crown, €90 for filling), but if I was on the scratcher I wouldnt have to pay for the doc or presciption at least. But the welfare payments are much higher, €188 per week per adult I think it is now.

Should we allow genuine asylum seekers? Course we should. Should we have a controlled immigration system? Course we should. Should we have social welfare for the needy? Course we should.
Should we make sure that the people who REALLY need it get it, and layabouts are made to get off their arses and work and scammers are stopped of their benefits? Course we should!
With the politicains we have? No chance!

 

[Clinkers]

Good post, Dentist. I have very much the same backstory as your post, but I can understand as well that people are working their arse off, paying taxes, then seeing story after story in the papers/on telly about how thats being spent, and it pisses them off.

We have hospitals closing here, taxes going up, our kids are going to have to pay for the way the banks bankrupted our country, and it pisses me off that we give aid to countries like Ethiopia who then go and buy T-72 tanks with it

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.p...2-tanks-from-ukraine&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

Looks like the wwrong people in control there as well: $100 million would feed a lot of the people starving in their own country

 

[The Dentist]

Good post, Dentist. I have very much the same backstory as your post, but I can understand as well that people are working their arse off, paying taxes, then seeing story after story in the papers/on telly about how thats being spent, and it pisses them off. We have hospitals closing here, taxes going up, our kids are going to have to pay for the way the banks bankrupted our country, and it pisses me off that we give aid to countries like Ethiopia who then go and buy T-72 tanks with ithttp://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.p...2-tanks-from-ukraine&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105Looks like the wwrong people in control there as well: $100 million would feed a lot of the people starving in their own country

I understand too mate and you are right, it would piss anyone off. The way I see it is I'm paying x amount tax, I would have to pay that regardless it went on building a hospital or whether it went on funding the taliban I still have to pay it. If I don't like where it is going I will either vote for the next government or go live in a country that spends its money on better things, but personally I don't really care. I'm not gonna moan that the guy next door has a ferarri and never worked. I like working. I like my job, I like where I live and I like my lifestyle. I live healthy and try be a nice person. What is the point in getting pissed off really. What will that change. Change happens with action.

 

[Clinkers]

Agree except where you said you like you job: I like working but I hate my job! If I win the lotto this weekend I'm outta there!

 

[ellie1998]

@bod
what I said

european immigrants with children can claim for child support while living here regardless of where their children are, this is eu law not british law. If we move to another european country that pays more then the uk (if any do) then we can do the same.

your cryptic reply

wrong
spain does not pay child support

Please explain where I was wrong ?
"If we move to another european country that pays more then the uk (if any do) then we can do the same."

I think maybe english isn't your 1st language but I state no where that every country in the eu pays child support just that IF a country pays more and I work there I am entitled to claim child support in that country instead of this country as are workers that come here from eu member states.
If you pm me with your 1st language then I will see if I can get it translated for you so you can understand what I wrote. As a long standing member I would hate people to think you don't understand basic english

 

[earwig999]

Doesn't matter where you come from, if you want to reside in the UK then you should input into they system. That goes for lazy UK people that claim everything they can as well as the immigrants.

There should be a cap on benefits eg. 12 months, then your money stops, or better still if you have paid in wholly for 5 years then you are entitled to have that money back in benefits until it runs out.

 

[digidude]

There should be a cap on benefits eg. 12 months, then your money stops, or better still if you have paid in wholly for 5 years then you are entitled to have that money back in benefits until it runs out.

theres been a thing on the news kicking up a stink recently at plans to cap a families benefits at £500 a week, and people are saying how much worse off theyll be, some even homeless. i punch my guts out all week, and i dont get anywhere near £500 a week. im not homeless or starving etc. untill they sort out a LOT of the problems, like the benefits system thats openmly being abused, immigration thats slowly swamping the country and the millions being wasted on other countries, wether its through fighting a war thats not ours or sending 'aid' to a country thats clearly way beyond any form of help, the UK will continue to spiral downwards

 

[ellie1998]

theres been a thing on the news kicking up a stink recently at plans to cap a families benefits at £500 a week

It's a bit worse than that the £500 is for housing benefit.
The bleeding hearts are saying that upto 40,000 people will be made homeless, in my opinion £500 a week is a liberty when it comes out of my taxes so 40,000 are taking the p!ss and need to move to cheaper housing, As a landlord and a landlords agent the dearest property is £700 pcm.
If people can't afford the expensive rent in their area then they need to move to a cheaper area.

 

[digidude]

just for housing benefit??

so somewhere, some people are getting over 2 grand a month in benefits just for rent, plus council tax benefit plus all the other benefits?

if thats true, then yes, they should be forced to move, they cannot use the excuse that they need to live there for work

feck me, for 2 grand i could rent my 3 bed house for 6 months, which is what it costs me out of money i have to work for

cap the benefits at x amount TOTAL, including rent, council tax and money to live on, i survive on half of just their rent and theyre up in the air about it, its no wonder the countries in a mess then, but no doubt, nothing will change, as those affected will get legal aid to claim its against their human rights, and the govt will bow down to it

they need to grow some balls, and tell the people milikking the system like this to either move, or pay the excess avoer the 'cap' themselfs

 

[bod]

@bod
what I said


your cryptic reply


Please explain where I was wrong ?
"If we move to another european country that pays more then the uk (if any do) then we can do the same."

I think maybe english isn't your 1st language but I state no where that every country in the eu pays child support just that IF a country pays more and I work there I am entitled to claim child support in that country instead of this country as are workers that come here from eu member states.
If you pm me with your 1st language then I will see if I can get it translated for you so you can understand what I wrote. As a long standing member I would hate people to think you don't understand basic english

why do u feel the need to jibe.............

 

[cuebase]

Noodeles if by saying potatoe your are refering to the potatoe famine is just plain silly, but even if there were another famine in Ireland we could just go to the UK france germany spain etc, we would not have to seek asylum. With ref to passports read below, pay partivular attention to the part that says ID card. I dont disagree with what you say about asylum seekers the whole thing is amess.

For EU citizens
Passport or identity card
There are no longer any frontier controls at the borders between 22 EU countries. This is thanks to the Schengen rules which are part of EU law. These rules remove all internal border controls but put in place effective controls at the external borders of the EU and introduce a common visa policy. All EU countries are full Schengen members except for Bulgaria, Cyprus, Ireland, Romania and the United Kingdom. Iceland, Norway and Switzerland are also Schengen members but are not in the EU.
You will therefore need to present a valid passport or ID card when travelling to the five non-Schengen countries and when entering or leaving the EU at the external borders.
Carry them when travelling in the EU because they may be required for identification or security purposes. Be aware that the only valid ID is the one obtained from national authorities.
Make sure that any children travelling with you either have their own passport or ID card or are registered on your passport. By 26 June 2012 all children who wish to travel will have to have their own passport.
Visa
You will not need a visa for travelling within the EU

lmao
potato rings any bells?
did yous not need refuge in england/wales and scotland then?

WW2
dutch/french/german/polish jews and many others did not need to seek asylum then?

EU want be here for ever and when war breaks out again which i will do and time after time.
people will not need to look for refuge/asylum?

neighbouring countries means your neghbour
not travel half way round the globe to seek refuge/asylum in the uk cos they know you`s are a soft touch.

so you dont need a passport to go to spain/holland/italy/france?

 

[ManofScience]

People take advantage of the system BECAUSE THEY CAN - and who wouldn't to some degree if they could? Don't forget, it's not just illegal/EU immigrants - it's home grown lazy UK born scroungers too.

It's the governments fault AND mainly the EU. We seem to take MORE notice of the crazy EU laws and apply them without using common sense. In some ways, i wish we were more like Australia.

 

[ellie1998]

@digi

I think you misunderstand they are complaining that the potential £500 per week cap on housing benefit is to low ???

It was brought up about 18 months ago because a man was in stratford and his housing benefit was £1700 pcm but he decided it was a low class area so moved to central london with a rent of £8000 pcm and housing benefit are paying it, he doesn't work but then if he did he couldn't afford the rent !!!.

It made the national papers so David Cameron jumped on it and said they would make a limit of £500 per week.

A think tank have got involved last week and said that the £500 per week is to low and 40,000 to 50,000 people would be made homeless.

In my opinion thats 40,000 to 50,000 p!ss takers and I will not feel sorry if they are made homeless.


Living in a nice area is a nice idea but should only be if you can afford it not at the expense of taxpayers.

 

[digidude]

fkin hell, too right there should be a cap on it, that one guy gets more than my yearly wage just in 2 months housing benefits, the council where i live will only pay £91.50 a week housing benefit, and as most private rent places round here are £450+ PCM, if you want to live in one of those and are on benefits, you pay the rest yourself out of whatever other benefits you get, or you live in a council / association house

i thought the £500 cap was TOTAL benefits, rent, council tax, JSA, everything, thats how it should be, if you want more money than that, get out and get a job that pays more

£500 just on rent, a week, thats shocked me

 

[Dazza]

£500 just on rent, a week, thats shocked me

Fact is, these figures are misused. And certainly in the minority. Larger rents like the ones being mentioned, are usually only paid in areas where there is an extreme shortage of social housing, and the council have a responsibility to house people somewhere. As soon as the council/HBen get involved, many private landlord immediately hikes up the rent because they know they are guaranteed the rent. Who's fault is this? The people needing a home (race/nationality is not important, this applies to UK'ers too) still need to live somewhere. The council can't just tell them to **** off, there's no room at the inn, try shantyborough 100 miles north. Down here, private rent is bleddy expensive, and council/social housing is at a crisis point, as it is in many areas.

 

[ellie1998]

40,000 maybe a minority but it's to large a minority.
I live in Basildon essex and here the lha allowance for a 3 bedroom house is £800.02 pcm http://www.basildon.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=2127
I am a landlord and charge £650 pcm I also manage 4 houses for my father and the rents are £700, £700, £625 and £600 (all 3 bed houses).

Just because the lha in an area is set at a certain rate doesn't mean that landlords should milk the system.

If the government brought in the £500 per week limit (2166.66 pcm) then landlords would stop milking the system.

I have at no point mentioned race/nationality so hope that wasn't aimed at me.

Basildon is not 100 miles north of London and there are cheaper places between here and London.

If your not working then you don't need to live in Kensington.

LHA is different around the country and all the government has said is that they want a maximum payment of £500 per week, if they introduced this with 6 months landlords milking the system would have to stop and rents would drop.

 

[hamba]

I feel very unhappy that some parts of the country might become no go areas for the poor.

It's not just happening in this country. I heard a programme on the radio about Hong Kong: more and more of the lower paid workers are being pushed further and further out because they can't afford the rents. So many properities are being bought for investment purposes: quite a few remaining empty for much of the time.

A place to live is a basic human need but housing has become a way of making money. Instead of always blaming those at the bottom, whatever their country of origin, we should question the power of the rich, banks and large corporations.

There isn't a level playing field. In an ideal world we should be able to build our own homes but someone owns the land. By what right?

It's a very complex situation without easy answers but please let's not blame those with the least power.

 

[oneman]

40,000 maybe a minority but it's to large a minority.
I live in Basildon essex and here the lha allowance for a 3 bedroom house is £800.02 pcm http://www.basildon.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=2127
I am a landlord and charge £650 pcm I also manage 4 houses for my father and the rents are £700, £700, £625 and £600 (all 3 bed houses).

Just because the lha in an area is set at a certain rate doesn't mean that landlords should milk the system.

If the government brought in the £500 per week limit (2166.66 pcm) then landlords would stop milking the system.

So you are saying the current limit is £800 per month but if the limit went up to £2,166 it would stop landlords milking the system. Surely landlords would be able to charge more if the limit went up ?