New Firmware Being Made **update**

lol if ms can develop the console and the hackers can hack it im sure ms can rehack it no matter what lol

i seem to remember reading some article when the poo60 was released that ms took a loss on every console made and sold..
and it would take xxxx amount of time until they broke even with ame franchises and x box live........ eventually taking them into profit

well i reckon that date was may the 17th with billy boy saying thx to the hackers for there live fees marketplace etc etc.................... while also having a tin bath at the game developers...... ms= IM ALRIGHT JACK

the more i think about it the more sense it makes..........ms 4 all others -0

billy boy beet us again i reckon they could have banned all 12 months ago
but it didnt suit there buisness plan.......
 
after reading all of the threads and that it's pointing in that direction, the only thing is on some other forums, there is talk of people saying that they ahve been banned and never flashed or modded there 360... i don't believe them i think it's down to the stealth......of games.....mmmmmm i wonder.
 
hmmm my theory for the so called legit banned.....

1 they bought second hand and dont know what previous person did to it............
2 ms sending out refubed 360 how long ?? did they ever check the dvd fw or just replace the required parts and fook em through the door to the pupets?
3 there just down rite full of ekky pooo pooo
4 they over looked some hw id's when they made the ban.........
 
You guys are all smoking crack.

I've played loads of non stealth games and I'm not banned.......and why would MS wait until they break EVEN and then begin banning? That makes absolutely no sense, they want to make a profit, not break even.
 
You guys are all smoking crack.

I've played loads of non stealth games and I'm not banned.......and why would MS wait until they break EVEN and then begin banning? That makes absolutely no sense, they want to make a profit, not break even.

don't speak to soon, it will only be a matter of time. like if you go on live today, you will more than likely be banned just for saying that comment.

you may have jinxed yourself.
 
don't speak to soon, it will only be a matter of time. like if you go on live today, you will more than likely be banned just for saying that comment.

you may have jinxed yourself.

I know mate, all of us that aren't banned are living on borrowed time, but I couldn't care less, I've been trying to get myself banned, so far I've done everything that I'm not supposed to do, the only thing I can't do is download and play Halo as i don't have a HDD.

The way i see it is MS love me and hate everyone else.
 
I know mate, all of us that aren't banned are living on borrowed time, but I couldn't care less, I've been trying to get myself banned, so far I've done everything that I'm not supposed to do, the only thing I can't do is download and play Halo as i don't have a HDD.

The way i see it is MS love me and hate everyone else.

you may be onto something there, about the HDD.

has everyone who has been banned, had a 360 with a hard drive.?
 
you may be onto something there, about the HDD.

has everyone who has been banned, had a 360 with a hard drive.?

yeah highlander , i have a hard drive on mine , and my cousin who i was on live with on friday night wen he got banned had a hard drive on his to . . . . hmmmmm i wonder u might b on to sommit m8 .

regards robby
 
!!!TAKEN FROM XBOX SCENE!!!

Here are some details about the Xbox360 LIVE bans I got directly and indirectly from GaryOPA, Commodore4eva (C4E), Iriez and others. Of course don't take any of this info as 100% confirmed, noone knows exactly based on what data MS is banning ... it's just an analysis of what they think is happening and what MS might/can be checking.

C4E thinks MS is probably detecting and banning consoles from LIVE by tracking usage of backups via timing of the challenge response (c/r) on the drive over the last few weeks or months. A modified FW will reply much faster to the the Challenges requests (stored in a table) than an original firmware (seek on drive). They probably do this test more than once and can ban you if you're above a certain average.
FuzzyLogic also found that microsoft is sometimes doing additional checks on discs: PFI/DMI (so images without these sectors (or if using an old FWs without support for PFI/DMI) can probably be detected easily), drive inquiry (reads ascii string from drive), and capacity (reports capacity of disc) are requested. Strange thing here is MS requests 0x8000 bytes for PFI and DMI, while it should normally be 0x0800 bytes. TheSpecialist pointed out that the remaining 0x7800 bytes contains the relocated SS and PFI on burned discs ... which would make it very easy to detect backups for MS. C4E however told us this would not work on TS drives as its cut off to 0800 even if more data is asked, it's unconfirmed how modified HLG FWs drives respond to this atm.
The "read capacity check" will also work as detection on HLG because, unlike the newest TS FWs, it doesn't have true 'stealth media' yet, these drives are reporting back the burned disc based size of PFI instead of the correct PFI.
Apparently there's also an issue with SS (Security Sector) extracted from Hitachi-LG, some necessary data is screwed ... which means that probably only the Toshiba-Samsung / kreon setup has been extracting correct SS.

Another thing they are probably detecting (but probably not using yet to decide to ban or not) and log/flag is if you ever booted your Xbox360 with DVD SATA cable not connected to your Xbox360 (E64). Many people did this to power their drive when they wanted to flash it (power connected to 360, SATA to PC). So it's highly suggested to use an external power to flash next time.
It's also possible MS also bans based on stuff like bad credit card info for your country, running a NTSC machine with euro-address/credit card (or inverse), having out-of-region (arcade) games and demos on your HDD, unofficial 360 HDD, internet downloaded gamesaves etc. There's no clear view on all this yet.
For now, C4E believes Microsoft is not detecting modified FWs or detecting FW changes/updates. Using a special FW they did not detect any debug commands sent to the drive by MS (they went through the dash/kernel updates with the special FW as well and did not detect any debug commands there either). So they think either:
A/ MS is not doing any FW detection right now, and only previously (maybe on request of MS servers while playing on LIVE?), or
B/ MS is banning based only on the timings of the drive, ss/pfi/dmi checks, capacity, drive inquiry and c/r verification.

We also got information C4E is working on an "iXtreme Online" FW for Toshiba-Samsung drives, a Hitachi-LG version and maybe even BenQ version might follow later.
The new FW will have less features than the current Xtreme FWs: no single-layer (DVD5) support, no ripping of games (0800 mode), but more features to safely play from burned discs (emulate the exact speed and timings of the original games) and prevent booting from un-safe discs (without PFI and DMI or bad SS - so discs not passing the 'Stealth Check' (using Xbox Backup Creator(info)(info) for example) are not going to boot on the new firmware), or images that aren't exact dumps of the original.
There's no official ETA (maybe this weekend though for TS drives), and of course no guarantee MS will never ban you based on new checks (that's the risk it takes if you want to be part of the modding community ;)) The HLG FW will take a bit longer as it'll require true 'Stealth media' etc added.

This new FW will of course be made mostly for new consoles being modded, because even if you're not banned from LIVE yet there's no way to know if MS already has info/logs on your console ID regarding timings or other stuff so even changing to this new firmware in the near future may not stop that console ID from being banned in the next wave of MS bans.
If your console is not banned yet, it's highly suggested you don't boot any burned discs, originals should be ok, even when offline (MS might be storing results of some checks in flash), until the release of the new FW.
If your console is already banned this will of course not help you ... just enjoy the offline playing on that console for now (with some games you could try using 3rd party networks like XLink Kai(info)) and maybe some day a new exploit will allow you to do more with that console.

theres some info guys
 
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Everyone I knew had a HDD.......

I'm guessing if this pans out and something is stored there, memory cards would count too.

Yes you can get the updates as they are stored in flash ;)

:)
 
Interesting reading, it jsut goes to show that even the elite are still perplexed by the bannings, so it's not only us twats :)

I look forward to the new Firmware.
 
It's also possible MS also bans based on stuff like bad credit card info for your country, running a NTSC machine with euro-address

hope they are wrong about ntsc theory cos i'll be very very pissed. i just think its down to the response timing actually and hope its fixed soon just need to sell my jap console now and get a new jap one lol
 
I had a laugh at this bit.........


Another thing they are probably detecting (but probably not using yet to decide to ban or not) and log/flag is if you ever booted your Xbox360 with DVD SATA cable not connected to your Xbox360 (E64). Many people did this to power their drive when they wanted to flash it (power connected to 360, SATA to PC). So it's highly suggested to use an external power to flash next time.

errrr no, Just unplug the fecking network cable!
 
I thought that too witchy2k1 m8, but maybe they meant it stores an error log on the HDD or in flash.

If it's the HDD like Highlander is thinking then we need to fine where this log is stored and if it's not signed how to replace it with a clean log.

:)
 
so - we need a banned hdd and a non banned hdd - any way to dump the info? I have an unbanned hdd here.... can lend it out to someone who knows their stuff
 
i would just wait and see as C4E and Garyopa are supposedly on with a new firmware for the samsung drive and posted on other forums it is speculated to be ready for the weekend

i personnaly think that it wont take long for microsoft to find another way to identify modded consoles and will continue the banning just to prove themselves .
i think they wouldnt be bothered if no one used xbox live as long as they prove that they are the ones holding all the cards
 
well fucked off now.

xbox live was the only reason i bought the damn console, playing the computer is fuckin boring.
 
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