New alarm nightmare.

They're a liverpool company mate. Been going for 38 years or so they say. So you would expect some competentcy?

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I'm after a new alarm fitting.
I will keep an eye out for a bloke that turns up to give me a quote with a stetson on.
Wonder how much he has paid out for these little oversights in 38 years???
Shocking
 
wouldn't putting wet plaster over chockie block cause a short circuit? im not a electrician but i know water and electric do not mix well :)
 
There won't be a chock block when it's all done properly. That was one of the problems

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I'm after a new alarm fitting.
I will keep an eye out for a bloke that turns up to give me a quote with a stetson on.
Wonder how much he has paid out for these little oversights in 38 years???
Shocking

From what I can see on the picture it looks a tidy job but not thought out very well, common sense if you like. Let's be fair here, they did come back to rectify the problem and our D1GG3R got a cracking deal out of it in the end. :)
 
Looks like it will work out okay in the end. To be honest, while a MF joint is obviously preferred you may struggle to get one in as the cables running to the consumer unit may be too close together. If that's the case, crimps and heat-shrink sleeving meet regulations as in pictures. You can plaster over it once it passes testing.

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The electrician did mention shrink sleeve HH. That could be what his plan is, to use the crimp thing??

We'll see

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If it was me I would snip the cable and run a new piece from the break to the consumer unit as it is easier to crimp. Heat-shrink the joint and re-terminate in the consumer unit then test the circuit.

Plaster over and sound job :)
 
Awesome news,

Sounds like a geniune company trying to put the fault right, fair play to them mistakes happen.

Keep us posted on the final outcome!
 
Contact the builder or decorator

As soon as you know there's a problem, contact the builder or decorator and explain the situation. If you phone the builder, it's a good idea to follow up the conversation with a letter.

The letter should confirm the problem, what you agreed the builder should do about it and by when (unless they say they will visit to deal with the problem in the next few days).

Under the Consumer Rights Act, which came into force on 1 October 2015, consumers who enter into a contract for goods and services can expect these to be supplied with reasonable care and skill.

Remember this applies to plumbers and other tradesmen as well as builders.

If you entered into your contract before 1 October 2015 you have the same rights under the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982.

Remember that where a trader guarantees their work for a set period of time that guarantees do not affect your legal rights to have work done with reasonable care and skill using materials that are of satisfactory quality, as described and fit for purpose.

A trader would not be able to claim that you cannot get a repair on any work that you discover is not up to standard after your guarantee period is over.

2 Agree a date to complete work

If the builder doesn't turn up when they said they would, contact them again.

Whether or not they have a good reason for not turning up, agree a final date by which the work must be completed.

The builder or decorator may be busy, but they have breached their contract with you so they should carry out the remedial work as a priority.

3 Set a final deadline to fix problem

If the deadline passes or the builder has done nothing to fix the problem, set them a final deadline for doing the work.

Make it clear that if they fail to meet the deadline you'll get someone else to do it and you'll be claiming back the cost from them.

Enclose quotes or estimates that you've obtained from other builders so your contracted builder can see how much you'll be claiming if they won't put the problem right.

Warn the builder that you'll take them to court if necessary.

4 Find a dispute resolution scheme

If the builder or decorator still doesn't respond, check if they're a member of a trade association as there may be a dispute resolution scheme that you could use.

Good trade associations will vet prospective members, throw out bad ones and offer help if things go wrong.

The Consumer Ombudsman deals with all consumer complaints in sectors not already covered by an ombudsman scheme, with a focus on home maintenance, improvements or installation services, retail, second hand cars and car repairs as well as servicing.

You can escalate your complaint to the ombudsman providing you have given the company a reasonable amount of time - usually up to eight weeks - to resolve your problem.

If the company is willing to work with the ombudsman to resolve your complaint, the aim is to reach a resolution within 10 working days

If the company is unwilling to work with the ombudsman – or a resolution that both parties are satisfied with cannot be reached – you'll be advised on what to do next.

If you want to escalate your complaint to the ombudsman, you can use our advice on taking your complaint to an ombudsman.

5 Collect evidence and claim costs

If not, you may decide that court action is necessary.

The Ministry of Justice Practice Direction on Pre-action Conduct sets out the steps the parties must take before going to court.

Think about the evidence you would need to prove your claim if you went to court, for example photographs of the poor workmanship.

You may need to get a report on the work done. Try to reach agreement with the builder as to who should provide the report.

Wherever possible this should be someone you both agree has the expertise to assess the issues and what will be necessary to put them right.

When the new builder or decorator has completed the work, write to the original builder claiming the money you've had to spend, detailing exactly what work was done.

6 Go to the small claims court

If they don't pay up, you'll have to start court proceedings to claim the money back.

If the amount involved is less than the limit of £10,000 in England and Wales and £3,000 in Scotland and Northern Ireland, you'll be able to use the small claims court.

The small claims court is a quick and simple way of using the courts to settle disputes - you don’t need a solicitor, and the hearing itself is fairly informal. But it should only be used as a last resort.
 
The company done good on their promise, I personally wont let any of our lads use crimps to much mechanical failure or just dodgy crimping going on.

Whereas a MF box you push in the connections and the sheath is mechanically sound too.

yes a bigger chase and not so neat lol.

One thing, have they supplied you with an alteration certificate for the works... I would strongly request one Digger.

The circuit has been altered, and the connection can only be verified with a test of the circuit.

Cheers
Mick
 
I personally do not do 'dodgy crimps'! :FRIGHT:

Point taken though, I've come across a few ;)
 
The company done good on their promise, I personally wont let any of our lads use crimps to much mechanical failure or just dodgy crimping going on.

Whereas a MF box you push in the connections and the sheath is mechanically sound too.

yes a bigger chase and not so neat lol.

One thing, have they supplied you with an alteration certificate for the works... I would strongly request one Digger.

The circuit has been altered, and the connection can only be verified with a test of the circuit.

Cheers
Mick
The work isn't being undertaken until Friday @Mick I would imagine I would get a certificate then?

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I was meant to post this on Friday lol.

Everything went well. The sparky replaced the damaged lighting cable from the fuse board to the next ceiling rose and the main incoming cable that the lad broke the sheath on were sorted with shrink sleeve.

The cables were capped and the damaged wall re-plastered.

The sparky noticed the the wiring is due for inspection in June (sticker on fuse board) so he's coming back to do the inspection and give me a certificate. His work on Friday was paid for by the alarm company. The inspection and certificate will cost me £95.

The alarm works a treat. True to his word, the alarm company owner installed the lan module free of charge, should be around £200 I believe?

So all good now and I'm happy with the work

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Glad you got it sorted and especially glad they moved control box to another room :)
 
Glad it all came good in the end.
Mine has just packed in now. I'm also on the look for a new setup!!
 
Glad you got it sorted and especially glad they moved control box to another room :)
It is mate. Only thing in the hall is the keypad and a new speaker that they said was needed [emoji106]

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Glad it all came good in the end.
Mine has just packed in now. I'm also on the look for a new setup!!
I'm happy to recommend this company mate. Yes, one of the installers messed up on first installation, but it happens sometimes!

I certainly can't complain with the outcome [emoji106]

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