Manchester Bikers Fuel Protest This coming THURSDAY

[rajaster]

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1052029_bikers_plan_city_fuel_protest_


Bikers plan city fuel protest
Dean Kirby
31/ 5/2008

A MASSIVE 'go-slow' protest against high fuel prices is set to bring roads across Greater Manchester to a standstill.

More than a thousand bikers are expected to join forces to cause havoc on motorways and major routes into the city centre to demonstrate their anger at the soaring cost of petrol.

Motorbike club members from across Britain are expected to link up with local riders for the rush-hour gathering on Thursday.

Commuters are being warned to expect delays on the M60 and the M62, as well as on major roads into Manchester and Salford.

Fighting back

A 24-year-old rider known as `Maverick', one of the protest's organisers, said: "Too many people are happy just to sit watching the news and to accept the fact that fuel prices and taxes are going up.

"But we've decided that we can make a change and that we're going to do something about it. We're going to be that voice that stands up and fights back. We'll make a difference."

Motorists in Britain pay the highest fuel tax in Europe - 68p per litre of unleaded, compared with the equivalent of 35p in Ireland and 31p in Spain.

The average Briton pays almost £900 in petrol taxes annually.

Dozens of lorry drivers caused chaos when they held a fuel protest in London earlier this week.

Chancellor Alistair Darling has suggested a 2p rise in fuel duty, due in October, would be postponed.

Wildfire

Maverick added: "If 60 lorry drivers can do something, then 1,000 riders can do a lot more.

"On Thursday, I would seriously expect a traffic slowdown on the M60 and possibly the M62, and on roads into Manchester."

Independent bikers from Rochdale began organising the protest less than 48 hours ago and word spread like wildfire on networking websites and via e-mails.

They say the heavy fuel tax makes it difficult for bikers to take part in regular charity rides.

More than 200 riders were set to gather in Rochdale last night to plan their protest route.

Greater Manchester Police, meanwhile, said it was unaware a protest was due to take place.

Concerned

The riders are expected to gather at Birch services on the M62 near Middleton before starting their protest at 8am.

They expect to be joined by a fleet of lorries and taxis, whose drivers are also concerned about the fuel tax.

The cavalcade will head down the motorway to Salford Quays, but some of the riders will head down major roads into Manchester.

One 46-year-old rider, nicknamed `Triumph Man', said: "Manchester United were denied a victory parade through the city after they returned from the Champions League final.

"But our protest is going to be even more spectacular. There will be a real carnival atmosphere and we will ask police to be there to keep it safe.

"All we want is for a small percentage taken off fuel tax."

 

[rajaster]

i travel that route.. should be fun.. Damn the goverment should scrap VAT on fuel.,. the higher fuel prices rise the more we pay on VAT.. This goverments raped us along with the iraqis/afghanis for the oil corporations who are making 20billion+ a year.

 

[die5el]

Instead of a go slow which uses petrol why dont we all stop using our vehicles for a couple of days and use public transport these go slows are a joke tbh they only disrupt for a couple of hours MOST people just use a diffrent route to get where they are going. Now IF we all decided to stop using our vehicles for a couple of days then the goverment may take notice ,its the same as the fuel scare shortages what did everyone do go out and top thier tanks up mmmmm thats sticking it to the goverment tbh all us brits are a joke we all rant and rave on forums about how hight the taxes are but what do we do NOTHING britain is the laughing stock of europe.The goverment tells us to jump we ask how high .

 

[karym6]

Instead of a go slow which uses petrol why dont we all stop using our vehicles for a couple of days and use public transport these go slows are a joke tbh they only disrupt for a couple of hours MOST people just use a diffrent route to get where they are going. Now IF we all decided to stop using our vehicles for a couple of days then the goverment may take notice ,its the same as the fuel scare shortages what did everyone do go out and top thier tanks up mmmmm thats sticking it to the goverment tbh all us brits are a joke we all rant and rave on forums about how hight the taxes are but what do we do NOTHING britain is the laughing stock of europe.The goverment tells us to jump we ask how high .

which is actually a very good suggestion.

If everyone was to stop using their own vehicles and rely on public transport, it would prove that the existing infrastructure would be unable to support the populace. Once a proper public transport system was in place, then there would be no need to drive a private vehicle anywhere.

Before people start whinging over hauliers - if all the private drivers were able to rely on public transport, then there wouldnt be such an issue on carbon footprints etc, there would also be less implication on rebates for them if they are the only ones driving anywhere.

If this focus is taken away then hauliers would be able to claim a rebate etc and everyone would be happy.

 

[karym6]

bear in mind though, the recent protests were just to secure a rebate for hauliers - thats what they said on the TV interviews etc.

Whilst it says they are there for everyone who drives on their website, do not forget that their primary goal is to obtain a rebait for hauliers first and formost. This can be confirmed on their site here: http://www.transaction-2007.com/about.html

 

[pacman362]

bear in mind though, the recent protests were just to secure a rebate for hauliers - thats what they said on the TV interviews etc.

Whilst it says they are there for everyone who drives on their website, do not forget that their primary goal is to obtain a rebait for hauliers first and formost. This can be confirmed on their site here: http://www.transaction-2007.com/about.html

Well said that man, remember the lorry drivers are only (stupidly and selfishly) worried about themselves not the genaral public, so bear this in mind when signing anything to do with the truckers !

They should be highliting the fuel prices/duty for all motorists Not Just themselves.

Just my opinion though.:Clap:

 

[pacman362]

Totally WRONG again ! read my above post.... Your clearly quite content paying through the nose for fuel.
IF you took the time to read the forums you would realise its for ALL...!

What you on about ?? clearly wrong again ! how can i be wrong again on my first post ??, as far as content to pay through the nose Bollocks am i I was stating the fact that the lorry drivers on the news all ranted on about lorry drivers not all drivers !! so make of that what you will but don't slate me off for it.:banana:

Ps : its a lot of good putting a bit about the genrall motorist on the web site but then not to publicise it when your on the news.

 

[karym6]

Totally WRONG again ! read my above post.... Your clearly quite content paying through the nose for fuel.
IF you took the time to read the forums you would realise its for ALL...!

rs2ooo16valve, you may want to influence them to change the about us information page to reflect this. At the present time, it would appear they only want a rebate for hauliers. Also, when on TV giving interviews on the news, they only appear to be asking for a rebate for hauliers and other essential users. Indeed, the report on the BBC news here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7420792.stm doesnt mention private or non-essential users at all - even when one of the protesters is stood outside No. 10, they are only talking about the haulage industry.

I would also assume then that the haulage industry has no plans at all to make use of the new taxation system that costs less if you have a smaller carbon footprint? You can read the report here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7293011.stm

 

[pacman362]

It wasnt refuring to ur post but the information in this topic.. So being the second post thats wrong, AGAIN is the right word i think you will find.

The General motorists section was only decided apon a few days ago so none of our staff have been on the news since.. Keep in mind not all haulier protesting are part of transaction-2007

The information page on that about us page, IS specific to hauliers.. that side of things, BUT the forum is for ALL at present until the general motorists section is live at which time a post will be put up directing people there i believe.

HTH




Keep in mind the news has not only reporting WRONG information but seem to be influenced by the goverment, alot of reports that have been broadcast have been changed to the goverments advantage...!

As said above, the general motorists forum is a new development and will surface shortly.. It will run on a seperate URL but be part of the transaction-2007 forum, We are currently sorting our liturature for this forum.

Now granted while on the news most people have only mentiond the haulers, although our spokesman did mention about all road users in one of his interviews that was edited out by the media

Ok point taken, and now we are getting somewhere if the forum has just initiated a public fuel section :Clap: I for 1 will support that.

 

[karym6]

if a new site dedicated to private and non-essential users does turn up, I am sure it will attract a lot of people, doubtless there will be tens of thousands of people who flock to it.

I would also imagine that the influx of private and non-essential users to the existing site will also swell the numbers convincingly there - however as we all know, the solution is not to reduce the current cost of petrofuel, but to find a cheaper alternative.

Now, I can completely understand and agree with the UK Haulage industry on the price of fuel - but I cannot for the life of me understand why these business people are not actively looking for a cheaper alternative now, instead of relying on the vague hope that pressure on the government will force a rebate for them.

 

[pacman362]

I now how the laws are set out don't worry about that making blockades an act of terror LOL tos**rs.

I will of couse send the link to all my m8ts and sign up for the good of us government raped people.

Power to the people.......As citizen cane used to say...I think.

 

[karym6]

The fact of it is, the fuel cost isnt the issue.. its the extortionate TAX on it thats the problem. Were being screwed by the goverment on all fronts, Car tax, fuel tax, insurance tax.. need i go on !

actually, you appear to be correct on this point. It would seem that the UK has one of the lowest pre-tax prices in the EU - a point which has been brought up on these boards before.

There are numerous reports of this on the Internet:

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=155857&in_page_id=34&in_a_source=

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/46159/British-diesel-cheapest-pre-tax-

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20080529/tuk-british-diesel-cheapest-pre-tax-6323e80.html

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand.../British+diesel+'cheapest+pre-tax'/article.do

In fact, it doesnt look like this is a recent change either, as you can see here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...rists-pay-21p-a-litre---or-83p-after-tax.html


http://www.ukpia.com/news_press/news_archives/news_in_2003/unleaded_price_cheapest_in_the_eu.aspx

 

[karym6]

I just found this on the BBC new site also: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7428981.stm

This isnt about a biased report in the favour of the government, it is simply stating that many people do not welcome the protests.

 

[english]

The fact of it is, the fuel cost isnt the issue.. its the extortionate TAX on it thats the problem. Were being screwed by the goverment on all fronts, Car tax, fuel tax, insurance tax.. need i go on !

well said m8.

 

[pacman362]

We need the fuel duty decreased by @least 50% to make any real differance to the genral population.

I loved the bit on the news stating that the chancellor was debating reviewing the 2p rise in duty after the protests !!! LoL 2 pence will make no frigging differance considering the outrageous price @ the pumps already.

These politicians need to live the real peoples lifes for a month then we would see some changes I bet you.

 

[karym6]

lets make one thing quite clear before the revolution starts.

Petro-fuels are bad for the environment. They harm the planet and endanger the environment for future generations. This isnt science fiction, its fact.

Does the government want to play a part in speeding up global warming? No - instead they are moving to taxation on sources of high carbon emissions.

 

[hollow]

all the goverment are doing is blaming the general public for there cockups they knew about global warming 30 years ago ,they choose to ignore it
now they blame us for driving cars ,we must be the only country in the world who takes it up the ass like this and says nothing
and for what ,greatbritian is a tiny island what about ppl in america russia chine etc who dont really give a damn dont see them charging 6 quid for a gallon of fuel

and using public transport is a joke , imagine your missus trailing a couple of kids and 10+ bags of shopping on a bus , lets face it its not going to happen .and what if you need a hospital you gonna wait 30 mins for a bus ,this country isnt great britian anymore its a sh**hole


get rid of this stupid labour goverment ,a five year old could do better
anyone who runs for parliment next time will win if they reduce the price of fuel .
labour is not the working mans goverment anymore ,its just another bunch of fat cats getting richer off everyone else

 

[karym6]

No, global warming is not an invention of governments all over the world.

Whilst car emmisions may only contribute to 4% of global warming, there are also other emmisions from any vehicle burning petro-fuels, such as jets, boats etc.

You are also completely wrong about the planet cooling down over the last few years. The temperature has risen steadily since the 1950's, coupled with a reduction of snow in the northern hemisphere. This kind of alludes to an increase in temperature globally - not a reduction. One of the main factors that has caused this is down to increased global emissions of Co2 into the atmosphere. 56% of these Co2 emissions are the result of burning fossil fuels.

My facts can be backed up from here: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf

Where are your facts from?

 

[karym6]

all the goverment are doing is blaming the general public for there cockups they knew about global warming 30 years ago ,they choose to ignore it
now they blame us for driving cars ,we must be the only country in the world who takes it up the ass like this and says nothing
and for what ,greatbritian is a tiny island what about ppl in america russia chine etc who dont really give a damn dont see them charging 6 quid for a gallon of fuel

and using public transport is a joke , imagine your missus trailing a couple of kids and 10+ bags of shopping on a bus , lets face it its not going to happen .and what if you need a hospital you gonna wait 30 mins for a bus ,this country isnt great britian anymore its a sh**hole


get rid of this stupid labour goverment ,a five year old could do better
anyone who runs for parliment next time will win if they reduce the price of fuel .
labour is not the working mans goverment anymore ,its just another bunch of fat cats getting richer off everyone else

Thats kind of my point - public transport at the moment isnt good enough to advise people to stop driving. Until it gets to a point where it is viable, the government cannot expect people to get on a bus etc.

And yes, they knew about global warming for years and chose not to do much about it.

 

[K]

Who cares about the enviroment anyway?? its all about survival.

I got a nice tan last week with the warm weather..

Thats free?? so does that ofset the price of fuel????