hi as a new member i have been sitting back and enjoying all the expert advice available on the fantastic site also a very big thankyou to wolverine and his den and gazers site megga.As yet i have never programed a card but with all the advice from this site and gazers and wolverines site i have ordered a elvis programer.I would like to ask a question of my own please my MOSC card expired 3 weeks ago and i do intend to reactivate it but i can only afford to subscribe to the primery channels this time but until i do subscribe again is it possible to extract the MK01 and PPUA from this card or can i only do this when the card has been reactivated ?