Donald Trump

[boodykaka2003]

'America’s economy is stronger … thanks to President Trump’s pro-growth agenda’
CLAIM “Three million jobs have been created since Trump took office,” booms Trump’s news release. He made the same claim at a rally in April.
REALITY What Trump does not tell people is that the rate of job creation under him is actually slower than the last four years under Obama. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 2.188m jobs were added in 2017. Obama added 2.3m in 2013, 2.99m in 2014, 2.71m in 2015, and 2.24m in 2016.
Trump claimed that the unemployment rate has dropped to 3.8%. On Friday, the Bureau of Labor Statistics did indeed report the unemployment rate for May was 3.8%.
But what Trump ignores is that the unemployment rate is declining in part because of large numbers of people leaving the workforce rather than getting jobs. The percentage of workers in jobs or looking for work dropped from 62.9% in March, to 62.8% in April to 62.7% in May. Those levels have not been seen since the 1970s.

CLAIM “American families received $3.2tn in gross tax cuts.”
REALITY Trump has been making this claim since 2017, when he signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act into law. In fact, the bill delivers $1.5tn in tax cuts – and that number includes cuts that corporations will receive.
The disparity is because Trump does not include aspects of the bill which will actually increase taxes. Factcheck.org pointed out that the non-partisan joint committee on taxation estimates the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act will result in $1.456tn less in taxes over the next 10 years.
Some of that comes from the corporate income tax rate being cut from 35% to 21%, while the tax rate for wealthy individuals has been cut from 39.6% to 37%. The tax cut for corporations is permanent; the tax cuts for individuals will expire in 2026.
The bill is projected to add $1.46tn to the nation’s debt over the next decade. And the Washington thinktank the Center for American progress predictsthat Trump will save $11m to $15m a year under the tax bill, while Jared Kushner will save between $5m and $12m per year.


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Trump signs his tax cut into law in December. Photograph: Jonathan Ernst/Reuters

CLAIM “President Trump has rolled back unnecessary job-killing regulations such as the Clean Power Plan.”
REALITY Trump hails the government’s October 2017 decision to scrap the Clean Power Plan, which was introduced by Obama and was designed to cut US carbon dioxide emissions by 32% by 2030.
The Environmental Protection Agency had previously estimated the plan would prevent 90,000 child asthma attacks and 3,600 premature deaths a year by 2030.
While Trump claims the Clean Power Plan has already been rolled back, as of May 2018 the EPA was yet to finalize its repeal, and 19 states are challengingthe government’s move to scrap the plan – giving hope that Trump and Pruitt could be thwarted, or at least delayed.

‘America is winning on the world stage’
CLAIM “The president has taken action to confront aggression by Iran and its proxies.”
REALITY Trump has withdrawn from the landmark international deal on Tehran’s nuclear programme. In doing so he drew condemnation from the leaders of the UK, Germany and France, who made clear that Iran was abiding by the terms of the agreement.

‘America’s government is more accountable’
CLAIM “President Trump has confirmed the most circuit court judges of any president in their first year.”
REALITY Unfortunately for those not aligned with the president’s political views, this is correct. Republicans have rushed through the appointment of 21 such judges, and Trump plans to add 20 more by the end of 2018.
Most of those appointments are white men, and almost one-third have anti-LGBT records. The majority of Trump’s appointments are under 50 – meaning they could influence decision-making in the US for decades to come.

‘America’s communities are safer and more secure’
CLAIM Immigration and Customs Enforcement – Ice – has “made 110,568 arrests of illegal aliens – a 42% increase for the same timeframe in 2016”.
REALITY There is no mention of the disruption this has had on communities across the country – and on the terrible toll Trump’s actions have had on families.
Between 6 and 19 May, 658 children were taken away from their parents at the border, after the Trump administration announced that parents detained while entering the US without documentation would be separated from their children and prosecuted.

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My source is somewhat less biased, but that could be argued either way. As stated you can dress up statistics however you want . Although the majority of those are from your own regulators and information providers within the US.

The Guardian is the most biased left wing media outlet haaaa
Quote "Between 6 and 19 May, 658 children were taken away from their parents at the border" this was implemented by the Obama administration, Trump wrote an executive order stopping children being separated from parents so this claim is false from your less bias media outlet
Illegal immigrants cost the US economy close to 1 Billion dollars

 

[janobi]

The Guardian is the most biased left wing media outlet haaaa

But the facts posted are not "left wing", or are these "Alternative facts". As for your glenn greenwald comment, accusations of, and proof of are two different things. I would presume those that have accused him, have often been the ones he has exposed.

I see you've just attacked the source rather than addressing the details of the article.

Perhaps a less left wing paper for you;

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[Spectre]

BBC only advertise vacancies in the Guardian!

Independent is also very left biased.

 

[boodykaka2003]

FactCheck.org and PolitiFact—tilt to the political left, which makes them representative of the majority of journalists who also lean to port. Both of these groups go far beyond what they say they do, claiming to fact-check subjective things like political rhetoric that are not susceptible to fact-checking.

 

[janobi]

The Guardian is the most biased left wing media outlet haaaa
Quote "Between 6 and 19 May, 658 children were taken away from their parents at the border" this was implemented by the Obama administration, Trump wrote an executive order stopping children being separated from parents so this claim is false from your less bias media outlet
Illegal immigrants cost the US economy close to 1 Billion dollars

Without those immigrants your farming industry would be dead.

@Spectre then im lost as all the other papers are right wing murdoch ones. Again, im not saying either is correct, but it clearly shows that both sides can dress it up however they wish.

Totally agree the policy was an Obama policy. Although blaming a democrat for all the woes of the country is old hat. Same as them blaming the republicans is old hat. Work together to make the country better.

If you'd like to read a little, read Marijuana Nation, it explains about farming in the US, and how it's all done by immigrants, many illegally, as no US citizen wants to do the work. A little like that in the UK where all the farm picking is done by Eastern Europeans, because the british are too lazy to do it.

 

[Spectre]

Without those immigrants your farming industry would be dead.

@Spectre then im lost as all the other papers are right wing murdoch ones. Again, im not saying either is correct, but it clearly shows that both sides can dress it up however they wish.

Totally agree the policy was an Obama policy.

I'll have to quote Farage here: "Food just rotted in the fields before immigration, did it?". Something like that .

I don't mind immigration when it is qualified people who can support themselves but what we have is uncontrolled, unskilled, welfare tourists.

The only way to do it is to read all news and make an informed decision. I read the Mail because it is free and updated regularly. Guardian comments sections can be amusing.

 

[janobi]

I'll have to quote Farage here: "Food just rotted in the fields before immigration, did it?". Something like that .

I don't mind immigration when it is qualified people who can support themselves but what we have is uncontrolled, unskilled, welfare tourists.

The only way to do it is to read all news and make an informed decision. I read the Mail because it is free and updated regularly. Guardian comments sections can be amusing.

It's a little different in the UK, as we're in the schenzen agreement, so anyone from Europe can come here to work. The Mail is also right wing, although it does have the best online sections around.

I do read all aspects of available information, and then formulate an opinion, but I think i've clearly shown that both sides toot their own trumpets quite a bit, and spin it how they want it to seem, when the truth is actually somewhere in the middle.

 

[Spectre]

It's a little different in the UK, as we're in the schenzen agreement, so anyone from Europe can come here to work. The Mail is also right wing, although it does have the best online sections around.

I do read all aspects of available information, and then formulate an opinion, but I think i've clearly shown that both sides toot their own trumpets quite a bit, and spin it how they want it to seem, when the truth is actually somewhere in the middle.

Exactly, and the UK taxpayer (as in net contributor) has to prop up the economic migrants with tax credits, child tax credit...

 

[janobi]

Exactly, and the UK taxpayer (as in net contributor) has to prop up the economic migrants with tax credits, child tax credit...

Wasn't the UK full of economic migrants during the 80s, when all the brickies, chippies, sparks were going to Europe to help their projects, raking the money in, or was it ok then as it was the UK. Economic migrants have always existed, and are needed for every country to prosper properly, as sadly in society there are always people that wont/dont want to work.

We would be better changing the benefit system, which let's remember was only developed to help widows after the war, and rooting out those who are working the system, which there are many. I know plenty of people who are 2/3rd generation benefit families, and feel they're totally justified living off benefits, and never getting a job as, well why should they when they can get money for free.

The UK is not having problems solely because of migration, this is just a smoke screen, for a far right agenda. None of us want to go back to the days of open racism surely?

 

[Spectre]

Wasn't the UK full of economic migrants during the 80s, when all the brickies, chippies, sparks were going to Europe to help their projects, raking the money in, or was it ok then as it was the UK. Economic migrants have always existed, and are needed for every country to prosper properly, as sadly in society there are always people that wont/dont want to work.

We would be better changing the benefit system, which let's remember was only developed to help widows after the war, and rooting out those who are working the system, which there are many. I know plenty of people who are 2/3rd generation benefit families, and feel they're totally justified living off benefits, and never getting a job as, well why should they when they can get money for free.

The UK is not having problems solely because of migration, this is just a smoke screen, for a far right agenda. None of us want to go back to the days of open racism surely?

The treaties and adjustments of, have made it far easier, essentially the "no borders" thing and although we aren't in the Schengen Area it is too easy. Does anyone really believe that the "British Roma", all >200,000 of them, probably all in Page Hall, Sheffield, actually contribute? Where families of 14 children aren't uncommon.

Note that the Independent has used pictures of "Travellers" rather than Roma Gypsies.

I totally agree; the benefit system needs a major overhaul because it was supposed to be a safety net and not a lifestyle choice.

 

[Mick]

This is the problem we all face.
Socialism does not work, capitalism looks bad because the majority of people are poor(er) compared to the 1% rich.
So everyone has an axe to grind with capitalism, but its the only model that works.

Socialist Gender politics is very dangerous. and something the main stream media shove down our throats daily!

But back to trump, he loves that people think he is thick and ignorant (well he is deliberately ignorant lol)... but he is a man with a higher IQ than all of us on here! (probably) you can't be successful for 40+ years in many different areas, and then become president of the most powerful country in the world if your IQ is below 80.

Lefties hate him because he is capitalism, and we all know lefties are generally of the marxists theory, and where has that ever worked lol... really, everyone is equal and deserves the same and share the wealth among everyone...

And America is in the best shape economically that is has been in for a very very long time.

If you are far right you are racist, and rightly so as there is no place for racism, but you have a bracket!
If you are far left - you have no bracket, so you have no comparison to the far right racists.

Far Right = Hitler
Far Left = USSR

Who killed and slaughtered more, we don't really know but both killed Millions of innocent people.
There needs to be a bracket on the Far Left, because they are just as dangerous as the Far Right Idiots!

My post will probably have everyone aligning me with he right lol, but I would like to stay in the middle personally, the only reason I go on about leftist nonsense is because your not allowed to talk about them because they are just and righteous, because they want everyone to have the same outcome but that does not add up. its a nice idea but, NO Work hard, treat people with respect, earn your way, give your life meaning and stop bitching about what could of been and how you are oppressed by everyone that is doing well.

I thought long and hard about posting this as I don't like to offend anyone, I like everyone to get along and be happy. but sometimes you just have to be honest and say what you think. and we are slipping down a very worrying path with this gender politics that is being played out in society today - and its part of the reason the majority of working / voting folk voted on Brexit and also why a man like Trump is in power.

Mick

 

[Spectre]

A lot of NSDAP policies were Socialist, there is a clue in the name .

Trump isn't daft, he assimilates his audience, that's why he's popular.

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My taxes helped pay for that?

 

[chrisgoddard]

I have probably been watching too many Youtube clips today about Trump,,but honestly, where do you start with this guy. Everything he does just seems tainted and ends up in utter chaos. Do any of you think he will go a full term?

Nope

 

[boodykaka2003]

This is the problem we all face.
Socialism does not work, capitalism looks bad because the majority of people are poor(er) compared to the 1% rich.
So everyone has an axe to grind with capitalism, but its the only model that works.

Socialist Gender politics is very dangerous. and something the main stream media shove down our throats daily!

But back to trump, he loves that people think he is thick and ignorant (well he is deliberately ignorant lol)... but he is a man with a higher IQ than all of us on here! (probably) you can't be successful for 40+ years in many different areas, and then become president of the most powerful country in the world if your IQ is below 80.

Lefties hate him because he is capitalism, and we all know lefties are generally of the marxists theory, and where has that ever worked lol... really, everyone is equal and deserves the same and share the wealth among everyone...

And America is in the best shape economically that is has been in for a very very long time.

If you are far right you are racist, and rightly so as there is no place for racism, but you have a bracket!
If you are far left - you have no bracket, so you have no comparison to the far right racists.

Far Right = Hitler
Far Left = USSR

Who killed and slaughtered more, we don't really know but both killed Millions of innocent people.
There needs to be a bracket on the Far Left, because they are just as dangerous as the Far Right Idiots!

My post will probably have everyone aligning me with he right lol, but I would like to stay in the middle personally, the only reason I go on about leftist nonsense is because your not allowed to talk about them because they are just and righteous, because they want everyone to have the same outcome but that does not add up. its a nice idea but, NO Work hard, treat people with respect, earn your way, give your life meaning and stop bitching about what could of been and how you are oppressed by everyone that is doing well.

I thought long and hard about posting this as I don't like to offend anyone, I like everyone to get along and be happy. but sometimes you just have to be honest and say what you think. and we are slipping down a very worrying path with this gender politics that is being played out in society today - and its part of the reason the majority of working / voting folk voted on Brexit and also why a man like Trump is in power.

Mick

Totally agree 100% Mick, I follow American politics on a daily basis watching Sean Hannity who the left call a conspiracy theorist to Tucker Carlson who I think is the best Republican talk show host & the left in the US despise him, comments like "Tucker Carlson Is Hurting America Again" "Tucker Carlson on why he always votes for the most corrupt candidate" "Tucker Carlson's Most Ridiculous Moments" the left in the Us are a disgrace at the moment with their mob mentality, take for instance Brett kavanaugh just about to sworn in to the supreme court & Christine Ford accuses him of sexual assault 37 years ago but can't remember when where or who was there but the Democrats demand justice, even while being interview at Capitol Hill Mr Kavanaugh got angry this was an admission of guilt the liberals decided, the fact he got angry was the effect this whole charade had on his family, the thing is the way the left in the US act is propagating to the UK & this bothers me, the progressive left Social Justice Warriors trying to change history for their own agenda, U.S. astronaut Scott Kelly was criticized for tweeting a quote from Winston Churchill where does this end? I see Trump being attacked daily on social media by MSM in the Uk & the US because he is an anti-globalist & believes in sovereignty based loyalty as a clear alternative to the globalist desire to overwhelm nations in international agreements, Trump does not take any of his presidential salaries for himself, instead he donates it to charity how many previous US Presidents have ever donated their entire salary?

 

[janobi]

In fairness I don’t think there have been any billionaire presidents before. However I wouldn’t say trump is clever, the guy has good business acumen but I wouldn’t say clever. He’s had as many failures as he’s had successes.

I don’t disagree with most of what is written but US politics is funked as much as the country is.

I totally agree about the hard left not having a label and they should, corbyn is as dangerous if not more than those on the far right like Le Pen. Corbyn would happily increase the welfare nation and that’s not going to help anyone.

Capitalism is the only model but sadly it’s become an old boys club, a little like the White House .

However becoming an insular country isn’t going to work for anyone, and will just lead to further oppression, China for instance, or North Korea. Both extremely insular and both massively oppress their people.

 

[Mick]

I totally agree about the hard left not having a label and they should, corbyn is as dangerous if not more than those on the far right like Le Pen. Corbyn would happily increase the welfare nation and that’s not going to help anyone.

Could not agree more, Jeremy Corbyn is the most dangerous man in the UK!

However becoming an insular country isn’t going to work for anyone, and will just lead to further oppression, China for instance, or North Korea. Both extremely insular and both massively oppress their people.

They are communist - which is socialism on crack. and another point of LEFT gone mad.

Mick

 

[Spectre]

Perfect timing.

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[hoppy]

This is the problem we all face.
Socialism does not work, capitalism looks bad because the majority of people are poor(er) compared to the 1% rich.
So everyone has an axe to grind with capitalism, but its the only model that works.

Socialist Gender politics is very dangerous. and something the main stream media shove down our throats daily!

But back to trump, he loves that people think he is thick and ignorant (well he is deliberately ignorant lol)... but he is a man with a higher IQ than all of us on here! (probably) you can't be successful for 40+ years in many different areas, and then become president of the most powerful country in the world if your IQ is below 80.

Lefties hate him because he is capitalism, and we all know lefties are generally of the marxists theory, and where has that ever worked lol... really, everyone is equal and deserves the same and share the wealth among everyone...

And America is in the best shape economically that is has been in for a very very long time.

If you are far right you are racist, and rightly so as there is no place for racism, but you have a bracket!
If you are far left - you have no bracket, so you have no comparison to the far right racists.

Far Right = Hitler
Far Left = USSR

Who killed and slaughtered more, we don't really know but both killed Millions of innocent people.
There needs to be a bracket on the Far Left, because they are just as dangerous as the Far Right Idiots!

My post will probably have everyone aligning me with he right lol, but I would like to stay in the middle personally, the only reason I go on about leftist nonsense is because your not allowed to talk about them because they are just and righteous, because they want everyone to have the same outcome but that does not add up. its a nice idea but, NO Work hard, treat people with respect, earn your way, give your life meaning and stop bitching about what could of been and how you are oppressed by everyone that is doing well.

I thought long and hard about posting this as I don't like to offend anyone, I like everyone to get along and be happy. but sometimes you just have to be honest and say what you think. and we are slipping down a very worrying path with this gender politics that is being played out in society today - and its part of the reason the majority of working / voting folk voted on Brexit and also why a man like Trump is in power.

Mick

I don't think anyone would be offended by your post Mick, I think you are feeling pretty much the same way as many of us.

One of the biggest concerns today is the fact that we have never witnessed news that can be transferred so quick in the digital age. With massive platforms that can make people famous who would have been ignored in mainstream media, sometimes for the better and sometimes not so good. Trump certainly went down this path which worked pretty well for him, we will have to wait and see if he had help from the wrong types of people. I agree that he is a result of people being sick fed up with our current politicians, the hate for Clinton drove many to not vote or switch but I don't think America is better under Trump.

 

[hoppy]

while we are on the subject of calamities shall we talk about Thatcher and Blair then?. Britain should listen and learn by other Countries and their rules and follow suit. They get the job done instead of faffing about.God bless America.Pmpl

Not sure I follow you here Miggy, Okay I get the Blair comment and I was never really a fan of him but what should Britain learn from other countries?

If you support Nigel and Donald and your pro Brexit then it would say you want the independence to dictate your own policies and future?

 

[hoppy]

The fact is people in the UK are brainwashed by the biased left wing media establishment with the BBC at the helm

Yeah I guess we are all glued to BBC News and if you don't like Trump then you "must" be left wing,,did I get that right..

I seem to remember Trump being a Democrat for many many years and he is good pals with Putin, who is the leader of Russia the former Soviet Union,,how is that for left wing. What was it Trump called it,,that's it, "flipping", he must have flipped then..