Car pool Lane between J25 and 27 on the M62?

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> "fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Saturday, in article <[email protected]>
> > [email protected] "dinky doo" wrote:
> >
> > > "King Queen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:15:08 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > >[email protected] says...
> > > > >> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:30:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >You are ignoring the fact that Parliament voted for the war.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Only because:
> > > > >> 1) the majority in Parliament are as corrupt as he is
> > > > >> 2) he lied to us about extra evidence that we couldn't see as it

> was
> > > > >> classified.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Of course it was classified, they knew full well what weapons Iraq

> had,
> > > > >on account of the fact we sold him them!!!
> > > >
> > > > Well who sold them the t72 tanks, and S.A.M.S , der? was it the

> Soviet
> > > Union?
> > > I can't remember anyone metioning Iraqui Challenger or Abraham Tanks,

> F14,
> > > 15 or Tornado jets.
> > > Or Iraqui ground forces using SLR's or SL80's.
> > >
> > > Get real for fukts sake
> > > Their whole armed forces were based on the Soviet model.
> > > Anyone with exprience of B.O.A.R. will tell you the same.

> >
> > They got a lot of weapons from the Soviet Union, 47% in 1989. They also
> > got a lot from France, 27% including Mirage and Super Etendard planes
> > and Exorcet missiles.
> >
> > The British and Americans mainly supplied them with the weapons of mass
> > destruction.

>
> BOLLOCKS!!!!
>
>

Seem to remember a company called Matrix Churchill a while back getting a
severe slap on the wrist.
Also seem to recall government ministers of the day being somewhat
involved in the same company at a boardroom level.
If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
ring any bells?
 
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:


| If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
| ring any bells?

Jogs my memory.
They have sections of Sadam's Supergun at Royal Armouries, Fort Nelson
http://www.armouries.org.uk/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=83
We saw them and they are most impressive.

Because Sadam could plan a ?1?m bore gun to fire at Isreal, I would not put
*anything* past him.

Dave F
 
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> "fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Saturday, in article <[email protected]>
> > [email protected] "dinky doo" wrote:
> >
> > > "King Queen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:15:08 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > >[email protected] says...
> > > > >> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:30:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >You are ignoring the fact that Parliament voted for the war.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Only because:
> > > > >> 1) the majority in Parliament are as corrupt as he is
> > > > >> 2) he lied to us about extra evidence that we couldn't see as it

> was
> > > > >> classified.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Of course it was classified, they knew full well what weapons Iraq

> had,
> > > > >on account of the fact we sold him them!!!
> > > >
> > > > Well who sold them the t72 tanks, and S.A.M.S , der? was it the

> Soviet
> > > Union?
> > > I can't remember anyone metioning Iraqui Challenger or Abraham Tanks,

> F14,
> > > 15 or Tornado jets.
> > > Or Iraqui ground forces using SLR's or SL80's.
> > >
> > > Get real for fukts sake
> > > Their whole armed forces were based on the Soviet model.
> > > Anyone with exprience of B.O.A.R. will tell you the same.

> >
> > They got a lot of weapons from the Soviet Union, 47% in 1989. They also
> > got a lot from France, 27% including Mirage and Super Etendard planes
> > and Exorcet missiles.
> >
> > The British and Americans mainly supplied them with the weapons of mass
> > destruction.

>
> BOLLOCKS!!!!
>
>

Seem to remember a company called Matrix Churchill a while back getting a
severe slap on the wrist.
Also seem to recall government ministers of the day being somewhat
involved in the same company at a boardroom level.
If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
ring any bells?
 
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:


| If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
| ring any bells?

Jogs my memory.
They have sections of Sadam's Supergun at Royal Armouries, Fort Nelson
http://www.armouries.org.uk/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=83
We saw them and they are most impressive.

Because Sadam could plan a ?1?m bore gun to fire at Isreal, I would not put
*anything* past him.

Dave F
 
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> "fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Saturday, in article <[email protected]>
> > [email protected] "dinky doo" wrote:
> >
> > > "King Queen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:15:08 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > >[email protected] says...
> > > > >> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:30:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >You are ignoring the fact that Parliament voted for the war.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Only because:
> > > > >> 1) the majority in Parliament are as corrupt as he is
> > > > >> 2) he lied to us about extra evidence that we couldn't see as it

> was
> > > > >> classified.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Of course it was classified, they knew full well what weapons Iraq

> had,
> > > > >on account of the fact we sold him them!!!
> > > >
> > > > Well who sold them the t72 tanks, and S.A.M.S , der? was it the

> Soviet
> > > Union?
> > > I can't remember anyone metioning Iraqui Challenger or Abraham Tanks,

> F14,
> > > 15 or Tornado jets.
> > > Or Iraqui ground forces using SLR's or SL80's.
> > >
> > > Get real for fukts sake
> > > Their whole armed forces were based on the Soviet model.
> > > Anyone with exprience of B.O.A.R. will tell you the same.

> >
> > They got a lot of weapons from the Soviet Union, 47% in 1989. They also
> > got a lot from France, 27% including Mirage and Super Etendard planes
> > and Exorcet missiles.
> >
> > The British and Americans mainly supplied them with the weapons of mass
> > destruction.

>
> BOLLOCKS!!!!
>
>

Seem to remember a company called Matrix Churchill a while back getting a
severe slap on the wrist.
Also seem to recall government ministers of the day being somewhat
involved in the same company at a boardroom level.
If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
ring any bells?
 
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:


| If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
| ring any bells?

Jogs my memory.
They have sections of Sadam's Supergun at Royal Armouries, Fort Nelson
http://www.armouries.org.uk/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=83
We saw them and they are most impressive.

Because Sadam could plan a ?1?m bore gun to fire at Isreal, I would not put
*anything* past him.

Dave F
 
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> "fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Saturday, in article <[email protected]>
> > [email protected] "dinky doo" wrote:
> >
> > > "King Queen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:15:08 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > >[email protected] says...
> > > > >> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:30:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >You are ignoring the fact that Parliament voted for the war.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Only because:
> > > > >> 1) the majority in Parliament are as corrupt as he is
> > > > >> 2) he lied to us about extra evidence that we couldn't see as it

> was
> > > > >> classified.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Of course it was classified, they knew full well what weapons Iraq

> had,
> > > > >on account of the fact we sold him them!!!
> > > >
> > > > Well who sold them the t72 tanks, and S.A.M.S , der? was it the

> Soviet
> > > Union?
> > > I can't remember anyone metioning Iraqui Challenger or Abraham Tanks,

> F14,
> > > 15 or Tornado jets.
> > > Or Iraqui ground forces using SLR's or SL80's.
> > >
> > > Get real for fukts sake
> > > Their whole armed forces were based on the Soviet model.
> > > Anyone with exprience of B.O.A.R. will tell you the same.

> >
> > They got a lot of weapons from the Soviet Union, 47% in 1989. They also
> > got a lot from France, 27% including Mirage and Super Etendard planes
> > and Exorcet missiles.
> >
> > The British and Americans mainly supplied them with the weapons of mass
> > destruction.

>
> BOLLOCKS!!!!
>
>

Seem to remember a company called Matrix Churchill a while back getting a
severe slap on the wrist.
Also seem to recall government ministers of the day being somewhat
involved in the same company at a boardroom level.
If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
ring any bells?
 
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:


| If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
| ring any bells?

Jogs my memory.
They have sections of Sadam's Supergun at Royal Armouries, Fort Nelson
http://www.armouries.org.uk/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=83
We saw them and they are most impressive.

Because Sadam could plan a ?1?m bore gun to fire at Isreal, I would not put
*anything* past him.

Dave F
 
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> "fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Saturday, in article <[email protected]>
> > [email protected] "dinky doo" wrote:
> >
> > > "King Queen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:15:08 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > >[email protected] says...
> > > > >> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:30:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >You are ignoring the fact that Parliament voted for the war.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Only because:
> > > > >> 1) the majority in Parliament are as corrupt as he is
> > > > >> 2) he lied to us about extra evidence that we couldn't see as it

> was
> > > > >> classified.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Of course it was classified, they knew full well what weapons Iraq

> had,
> > > > >on account of the fact we sold him them!!!
> > > >
> > > > Well who sold them the t72 tanks, and S.A.M.S , der? was it the

> Soviet
> > > Union?
> > > I can't remember anyone metioning Iraqui Challenger or Abraham Tanks,

> F14,
> > > 15 or Tornado jets.
> > > Or Iraqui ground forces using SLR's or SL80's.
> > >
> > > Get real for fukts sake
> > > Their whole armed forces were based on the Soviet model.
> > > Anyone with exprience of B.O.A.R. will tell you the same.

> >
> > They got a lot of weapons from the Soviet Union, 47% in 1989. They also
> > got a lot from France, 27% including Mirage and Super Etendard planes
> > and Exorcet missiles.
> >
> > The British and Americans mainly supplied them with the weapons of mass
> > destruction.

>
> BOLLOCKS!!!!
>
>

Seem to remember a company called Matrix Churchill a while back getting a
severe slap on the wrist.
Also seem to recall government ministers of the day being somewhat
involved in the same company at a boardroom level.
If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
ring any bells?
 
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:


| If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
| ring any bells?

Jogs my memory.
They have sections of Sadam's Supergun at Royal Armouries, Fort Nelson
http://www.armouries.org.uk/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=83
We saw them and they are most impressive.

Because Sadam could plan a ?1?m bore gun to fire at Isreal, I would not put
*anything* past him.

Dave F
 
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> "fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Saturday, in article <[email protected]>
> > [email protected] "dinky doo" wrote:
> >
> > > "King Queen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:15:08 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > >[email protected] says...
> > > > >> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:30:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >You are ignoring the fact that Parliament voted for the war.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Only because:
> > > > >> 1) the majority in Parliament are as corrupt as he is
> > > > >> 2) he lied to us about extra evidence that we couldn't see as it

> was
> > > > >> classified.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Of course it was classified, they knew full well what weapons Iraq

> had,
> > > > >on account of the fact we sold him them!!!
> > > >
> > > > Well who sold them the t72 tanks, and S.A.M.S , der? was it the

> Soviet
> > > Union?
> > > I can't remember anyone metioning Iraqui Challenger or Abraham Tanks,

> F14,
> > > 15 or Tornado jets.
> > > Or Iraqui ground forces using SLR's or SL80's.
> > >
> > > Get real for fukts sake
> > > Their whole armed forces were based on the Soviet model.
> > > Anyone with exprience of B.O.A.R. will tell you the same.

> >
> > They got a lot of weapons from the Soviet Union, 47% in 1989. They also
> > got a lot from France, 27% including Mirage and Super Etendard planes
> > and Exorcet missiles.
> >
> > The British and Americans mainly supplied them with the weapons of mass
> > destruction.

>
> BOLLOCKS!!!!
>
>

Seem to remember a company called Matrix Churchill a while back getting a
severe slap on the wrist.
Also seem to recall government ministers of the day being somewhat
involved in the same company at a boardroom level.
If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
ring any bells?
 
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:


| If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
| ring any bells?

Jogs my memory.
They have sections of Sadam's Supergun at Royal Armouries, Fort Nelson
http://www.armouries.org.uk/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=83
We saw them and they are most impressive.

Because Sadam could plan a ?1?m bore gun to fire at Isreal, I would not put
*anything* past him.

Dave F
 
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:45:08 +0100, martin <[email protected]> wrote:

| On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:25:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
| >
| >
| >| If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
| >| ring any bells?
| >
| >Jogs my memory.
| >They have sections of Sadam's Supergun at Royal Armouries, Fort Nelson
| >http://www.armouries.org.uk/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=83
| >We saw them and they are most impressive.
| >
| >Because Sadam could plan a ?1?m bore gun to fire at Isreal, I would not put
| >*anything* past him.
|
| Don't you mean that western arms salesmen sold him the idea?

No the story is well known. Gerald Bull a gun designer who had produced
small scale prototypes got Sadam to build the big one. It was so big that
you needed the side of a steep valley to build it in, aimed at Israel and
could not re aimed. Photos are at Fort Nelson.

Dave F
 
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:45:08 +0100, martin <[email protected]> wrote:

| On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:25:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
| >
| >
| >| If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
| >| ring any bells?
| >
| >Jogs my memory.
| >They have sections of Sadam's Supergun at Royal Armouries, Fort Nelson
| >http://www.armouries.org.uk/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=83
| >We saw them and they are most impressive.
| >
| >Because Sadam could plan a ?1?m bore gun to fire at Isreal, I would not put
| >*anything* past him.
|
| Don't you mean that western arms salesmen sold him the idea?

No the story is well known. Gerald Bull a gun designer who had produced
small scale prototypes got Sadam to build the big one. It was so big that
you needed the side of a steep valley to build it in, aimed at Israel and
could not re aimed. Photos are at Fort Nelson.

Dave F
 
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:45:08 +0100, martin <[email protected]> wrote:

| On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:25:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
| >
| >
| >| If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
| >| ring any bells?
| >
| >Jogs my memory.
| >They have sections of Sadam's Supergun at Royal Armouries, Fort Nelson
| >http://www.armouries.org.uk/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=83
| >We saw them and they are most impressive.
| >
| >Because Sadam could plan a ?1?m bore gun to fire at Isreal, I would not put
| >*anything* past him.
|
| Don't you mean that western arms salesmen sold him the idea?

No the story is well known. Gerald Bull a gun designer who had produced
small scale prototypes got Sadam to build the big one. It was so big that
you needed the side of a steep valley to build it in, aimed at Israel and
could not re aimed. Photos are at Fort Nelson.

Dave F
 
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:45:08 +0100, martin <[email protected]> wrote:

| On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:25:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
| >
| >
| >| If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
| >| ring any bells?
| >
| >Jogs my memory.
| >They have sections of Sadam's Supergun at Royal Armouries, Fort Nelson
| >http://www.armouries.org.uk/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=83
| >We saw them and they are most impressive.
| >
| >Because Sadam could plan a ?1?m bore gun to fire at Isreal, I would not put
| >*anything* past him.
|
| Don't you mean that western arms salesmen sold him the idea?

No the story is well known. Gerald Bull a gun designer who had produced
small scale prototypes got Sadam to build the big one. It was so big that
you needed the side of a steep valley to build it in, aimed at Israel and
could not re aimed. Photos are at Fort Nelson.

Dave F
 
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:45:08 +0100, martin <[email protected]> wrote:

| On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:25:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
| >
| >
| >| If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
| >| ring any bells?
| >
| >Jogs my memory.
| >They have sections of Sadam's Supergun at Royal Armouries, Fort Nelson
| >http://www.armouries.org.uk/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=83
| >We saw them and they are most impressive.
| >
| >Because Sadam could plan a ?1?m bore gun to fire at Isreal, I would not put
| >*anything* past him.
|
| Don't you mean that western arms salesmen sold him the idea?

No the story is well known. Gerald Bull a gun designer who had produced
small scale prototypes got Sadam to build the big one. It was so big that
you needed the side of a steep valley to build it in, aimed at Israel and
could not re aimed. Photos are at Fort Nelson.

Dave F
 
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:45:08 +0100, martin <[email protected]> wrote:

| On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:25:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
| >
| >
| >| If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
| >| ring any bells?
| >
| >Jogs my memory.
| >They have sections of Sadam's Supergun at Royal Armouries, Fort Nelson
| >http://www.armouries.org.uk/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=83
| >We saw them and they are most impressive.
| >
| >Because Sadam could plan a ?1?m bore gun to fire at Isreal, I would not put
| >*anything* past him.
|
| Don't you mean that western arms salesmen sold him the idea?

No the story is well known. Gerald Bull a gun designer who had produced
small scale prototypes got Sadam to build the big one. It was so big that
you needed the side of a steep valley to build it in, aimed at Israel and
could not re aimed. Photos are at Fort Nelson.

Dave F
 
On Wednesday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Dave Fawthrop" wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:45:08 +0100, martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> | On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:25:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> | <[email protected]> wrote:
> |
> | >On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> | >
> | >
> | >| If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
> | >| ring any bells?
> | >
> | >Jogs my memory.
> | >They have sections of Sadam's Supergun at Royal Armouries, Fort Nelson
> | >http://www.armouries.org.uk/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=83
> | >We saw them and they are most impressive.
> | >
> | >Because Sadam could plan a ?1?m bore gun to fire at Isreal, I would not put
> | >*anything* past him.
> |
> | Don't you mean that western arms salesmen sold him the idea?
>
> No the story is well known. Gerald Bull a gun designer who had produced
> small scale prototypes got Sadam to build the big one. It was so big that
> you needed the side of a steep valley to build it in, aimed at Israel and
> could not re aimed. Photos are at Fort Nelson.


Gerald Bull was a Canadian, that's west aint it?

The story is well known, both the Managing Director and Export Manager of
Matrix Churchill were recruited by MI6 and asked to supply parts for the
gun to Iraq, export clearance was given by the government.

When the parts were siezed by Customs and Excise Nicholas Ridley the Trade
and Industry Secretary stood in the House of Commons and told a bare faced
lie when he said the government had "only recently become aware" of the
order.

In short both MI6 and the British Government were prepared to let the
managers of Matrix Churchill go to prison for a long time rather than
speak up and admit their involvement.

--
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:35:09 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:

| On Wednesday, in article
| <[email protected]>
| [email protected] "Dave Fawthrop" wrote:
|
| > On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:45:08 +0100, martin <[email protected]> wrote:
| >
| > | On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:25:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| > | <[email protected]> wrote:
| > |
| > | >On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 +0100, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >| If your memory needs jogging further, does the 'Iraqi supergun affair'
| > | >| ring any bells?
| > | >
| > | >Jogs my memory.
| > | >They have sections of Sadam's Supergun at Royal Armouries, Fort Nelson
| > | >http://www.armouries.org.uk/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=83
| > | >We saw them and they are most impressive.
| > | >
| > | >Because Sadam could plan a ?1?m bore gun to fire at Isreal, I would not put
| > | >*anything* past him.
| > |
| > | Don't you mean that western arms salesmen sold him the idea?
| >
| > No the story is well known. Gerald Bull a gun designer who had produced
| > small scale prototypes got Sadam to build the big one. It was so big that
| > you needed the side of a steep valley to build it in, aimed at Israel and
| > could not re aimed. Photos are at Fort Nelson.
|
| Gerald Bull was a Canadian, that's west aint it?
|
| The story is well known, both the Managing Director and Export Manager of
| Matrix Churchill were recruited by MI6 and asked to supply parts for the
| gun to Iraq, export clearance was given by the government.

But Matrix Churchill was effectively owned by Sadam.
 
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