Car pool Lane between J25 and 27 on the M62?

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:20:08 +0100, King Queen
<[email protected]> wrote:

| On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:35:09 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:15:23 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:
| >
| >| On Wednesday, in article
| >| <[email protected]>
| >| [email protected] "Dave Fawthrop" wrote:
| >|
| >| > We know beyond a shadow of doubt that he had reference samples of
| >| > bacterilogical, and industrial fermentors which he had not declared to the
| >| > UN. From those to massive quantities of bacteriological agents is a simple
| >| > operation.
| >| >
| >| > We also know beyond a shadow of doubt that he had missiles with a longer
| >| > range than were allowed.
| >|
| >| Do we? How do we know that then?
| >
| >David Kay found it after the war. It was even on The Box if you had been
| >at all interested in the subject you would have caught the program.
|
| I remember them finding some borderline weapons that Saddam hadn't
| declared, which could just about go a little bit further than the
| declared distance.
|
| The Government tried to trumpet it as examples of WMD but nobody
| bought it.

Read what you quoted.
 
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:05:05 +0100, Marcus Houlden <[email protected]>
wrote:

| On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:15:08 +0100, Mark <[email protected]>
| wrote the following to uk.local.yorkshire.moderated:
|
| > In article <[email protected]>,
| > [email protected] says...
| >> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:30:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| >> <[email protected]> wrote:
| >>
| >> >You are ignoring the fact that Parliament voted for the war.
| >>
| >> Only because:
| >> 1) the majority in Parliament are as corrupt as he is
| >> 2) he lied to us about extra evidence that we couldn't see as it was
| >> classified.
| >>
| >
| > Of course it was classified, they knew full well what weapons Iraq had,
| > on account of the fact we sold him them!!!
|
| Would I be causing trouble by mentioning the nice picture at the top of this
| article?
|
| http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regime.change/

So you expect others to see the future clearly!
Can you tell me what Iraq or anywhere or anything will like in 2034?
 
On Thursday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Dave Fawthrop" wrote:

> So you expect others to see the future clearly!
> Can you tell me what Iraq or anywhere or anything will like in 2034?

Never mind the future, try taking a look at the past.

Prior to WWI Iraq was part of the Ottoman Empire and reasonably stable
because they had divided it into three provinces, one for the Kurds,
one for the Sunni and one for the Shiite.

During WWI the British took control of Iraq and told them that after
the war they would have independence.

When WWI ended Iraq didn't get the indipendence they were promised,
they became a British mandate. Britain then destabalised Iraq by
combining the three provinces back into one, only they lopped off
Kuwait which until this time was part of Iraq.

The Iraqis were a bit peeved and a rebellion broke out in 1920 which
was dealt with by the RAF who invented the bomber for the purpose. In
1924 Wing Commander Sir Arthur (bomber) Harris said...

"The Arab and Kurd now know what real bombing means in casualties and
damage. Within forty-five minutes a full-size village can be practically
wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or injured."

...and we taught the Iraqis and Sadam how to deal with rebellion.

About this time we introduced Iraq to democracy when they elected
a new King, a foreigner who was part of a large Arab family which were
Britains close allies. It was a landslide victory for King Faisal
because his was the only name we put on the Ballot paper. We taught
the Iraqis and Sadam how to rig elections.

In 1932 Iraq gained the status of Independent Nation and there were
a series of military coups to gain control of the government but the
British backed monarchy hung on.

Then in WWII we invaded them again to stop the Germans from getting
their oil.

British domination finally ended in 1958 when King Faisal II was
assasinated.

Then in 2003 we went and invaded them yet again.

--
ô
õçîd
 
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:20:08 +0100, King Queen
<[email protected]> wrote:

| On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:35:09 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:15:23 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:
| >
| >| On Wednesday, in article
| >| <[email protected]>
| >| [email protected] "Dave Fawthrop" wrote:
| >|
| >| > We know beyond a shadow of doubt that he had reference samples of
| >| > bacterilogical, and industrial fermentors which he had not declared to the
| >| > UN. From those to massive quantities of bacteriological agents is a simple
| >| > operation.
| >| >
| >| > We also know beyond a shadow of doubt that he had missiles with a longer
| >| > range than were allowed.
| >|
| >| Do we? How do we know that then?
| >
| >David Kay found it after the war. It was even on The Box if you had been
| >at all interested in the subject you would have caught the program.
|
| I remember them finding some borderline weapons that Saddam hadn't
| declared, which could just about go a little bit further than the
| declared distance.
|
| The Government tried to trumpet it as examples of WMD but nobody
| bought it.

Read what you quoted.
 
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:05:05 +0100, Marcus Houlden <[email protected]>
wrote:

| On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:15:08 +0100, Mark <[email protected]>
| wrote the following to uk.local.yorkshire.moderated:
|
| > In article <[email protected]>,
| > [email protected] says...
| >> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:30:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| >> <[email protected]> wrote:
| >>
| >> >You are ignoring the fact that Parliament voted for the war.
| >>
| >> Only because:
| >> 1) the majority in Parliament are as corrupt as he is
| >> 2) he lied to us about extra evidence that we couldn't see as it was
| >> classified.
| >>
| >
| > Of course it was classified, they knew full well what weapons Iraq had,
| > on account of the fact we sold him them!!!
|
| Would I be causing trouble by mentioning the nice picture at the top of this
| article?
|
| http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regime.change/

So you expect others to see the future clearly!
Can you tell me what Iraq or anywhere or anything will like in 2034?
 
On Thursday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Dave Fawthrop" wrote:

> So you expect others to see the future clearly!
> Can you tell me what Iraq or anywhere or anything will like in 2034?

Never mind the future, try taking a look at the past.

Prior to WWI Iraq was part of the Ottoman Empire and reasonably stable
because they had divided it into three provinces, one for the Kurds,
one for the Sunni and one for the Shiite.

During WWI the British took control of Iraq and told them that after
the war they would have independence.

When WWI ended Iraq didn't get the indipendence they were promised,
they became a British mandate. Britain then destabalised Iraq by
combining the three provinces back into one, only they lopped off
Kuwait which until this time was part of Iraq.

The Iraqis were a bit peeved and a rebellion broke out in 1920 which
was dealt with by the RAF who invented the bomber for the purpose. In
1924 Wing Commander Sir Arthur (bomber) Harris said...

"The Arab and Kurd now know what real bombing means in casualties and
damage. Within forty-five minutes a full-size village can be practically
wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or injured."

...and we taught the Iraqis and Sadam how to deal with rebellion.

About this time we introduced Iraq to democracy when they elected
a new King, a foreigner who was part of a large Arab family which were
Britains close allies. It was a landslide victory for King Faisal
because his was the only name we put on the Ballot paper. We taught
the Iraqis and Sadam how to rig elections.

In 1932 Iraq gained the status of Independent Nation and there were
a series of military coups to gain control of the government but the
British backed monarchy hung on.

Then in WWII we invaded them again to stop the Germans from getting
their oil.

British domination finally ended in 1958 when King Faisal II was
assasinated.

Then in 2003 we went and invaded them yet again.

--
ô
õçîd
 
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:20:08 +0100, King Queen
<[email protected]> wrote:

| On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:35:09 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:15:23 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:
| >
| >| On Wednesday, in article
| >| <[email protected]>
| >| [email protected] "Dave Fawthrop" wrote:
| >|
| >| > We know beyond a shadow of doubt that he had reference samples of
| >| > bacterilogical, and industrial fermentors which he had not declared to the
| >| > UN. From those to massive quantities of bacteriological agents is a simple
| >| > operation.
| >| >
| >| > We also know beyond a shadow of doubt that he had missiles with a longer
| >| > range than were allowed.
| >|
| >| Do we? How do we know that then?
| >
| >David Kay found it after the war. It was even on The Box if you had been
| >at all interested in the subject you would have caught the program.
|
| I remember them finding some borderline weapons that Saddam hadn't
| declared, which could just about go a little bit further than the
| declared distance.
|
| The Government tried to trumpet it as examples of WMD but nobody
| bought it.

Read what you quoted.
 
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:05:05 +0100, Marcus Houlden <[email protected]>
wrote:

| On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:15:08 +0100, Mark <[email protected]>
| wrote the following to uk.local.yorkshire.moderated:
|
| > In article <[email protected]>,
| > [email protected] says...
| >> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:30:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| >> <[email protected]> wrote:
| >>
| >> >You are ignoring the fact that Parliament voted for the war.
| >>
| >> Only because:
| >> 1) the majority in Parliament are as corrupt as he is
| >> 2) he lied to us about extra evidence that we couldn't see as it was
| >> classified.
| >>
| >
| > Of course it was classified, they knew full well what weapons Iraq had,
| > on account of the fact we sold him them!!!
|
| Would I be causing trouble by mentioning the nice picture at the top of this
| article?
|
| http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regime.change/

So you expect others to see the future clearly!
Can you tell me what Iraq or anywhere or anything will like in 2034?
 
On Thursday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Dave Fawthrop" wrote:

> So you expect others to see the future clearly!
> Can you tell me what Iraq or anywhere or anything will like in 2034?

Never mind the future, try taking a look at the past.

Prior to WWI Iraq was part of the Ottoman Empire and reasonably stable
because they had divided it into three provinces, one for the Kurds,
one for the Sunni and one for the Shiite.

During WWI the British took control of Iraq and told them that after
the war they would have independence.

When WWI ended Iraq didn't get the indipendence they were promised,
they became a British mandate. Britain then destabalised Iraq by
combining the three provinces back into one, only they lopped off
Kuwait which until this time was part of Iraq.

The Iraqis were a bit peeved and a rebellion broke out in 1920 which
was dealt with by the RAF who invented the bomber for the purpose. In
1924 Wing Commander Sir Arthur (bomber) Harris said...

"The Arab and Kurd now know what real bombing means in casualties and
damage. Within forty-five minutes a full-size village can be practically
wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or injured."

...and we taught the Iraqis and Sadam how to deal with rebellion.

About this time we introduced Iraq to democracy when they elected
a new King, a foreigner who was part of a large Arab family which were
Britains close allies. It was a landslide victory for King Faisal
because his was the only name we put on the Ballot paper. We taught
the Iraqis and Sadam how to rig elections.

In 1932 Iraq gained the status of Independent Nation and there were
a series of military coups to gain control of the government but the
British backed monarchy hung on.

Then in WWII we invaded them again to stop the Germans from getting
their oil.

British domination finally ended in 1958 when King Faisal II was
assasinated.

Then in 2003 we went and invaded them yet again.

--
ô
õçîd
 
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:20:08 +0100, King Queen
<[email protected]> wrote:

| On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:35:09 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:15:23 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:
| >
| >| On Wednesday, in article
| >| <[email protected]>
| >| [email protected] "Dave Fawthrop" wrote:
| >|
| >| > We know beyond a shadow of doubt that he had reference samples of
| >| > bacterilogical, and industrial fermentors which he had not declared to the
| >| > UN. From those to massive quantities of bacteriological agents is a simple
| >| > operation.
| >| >
| >| > We also know beyond a shadow of doubt that he had missiles with a longer
| >| > range than were allowed.
| >|
| >| Do we? How do we know that then?
| >
| >David Kay found it after the war. It was even on The Box if you had been
| >at all interested in the subject you would have caught the program.
|
| I remember them finding some borderline weapons that Saddam hadn't
| declared, which could just about go a little bit further than the
| declared distance.
|
| The Government tried to trumpet it as examples of WMD but nobody
| bought it.

Read what you quoted.
 
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:05:05 +0100, Marcus Houlden <[email protected]>
wrote:

| On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:15:08 +0100, Mark <[email protected]>
| wrote the following to uk.local.yorkshire.moderated:
|
| > In article <[email protected]>,
| > [email protected] says...
| >> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:30:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| >> <[email protected]> wrote:
| >>
| >> >You are ignoring the fact that Parliament voted for the war.
| >>
| >> Only because:
| >> 1) the majority in Parliament are as corrupt as he is
| >> 2) he lied to us about extra evidence that we couldn't see as it was
| >> classified.
| >>
| >
| > Of course it was classified, they knew full well what weapons Iraq had,
| > on account of the fact we sold him them!!!
|
| Would I be causing trouble by mentioning the nice picture at the top of this
| article?
|
| http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regime.change/

So you expect others to see the future clearly!
Can you tell me what Iraq or anywhere or anything will like in 2034?
 
On Thursday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Dave Fawthrop" wrote:

> So you expect others to see the future clearly!
> Can you tell me what Iraq or anywhere or anything will like in 2034?

Never mind the future, try taking a look at the past.

Prior to WWI Iraq was part of the Ottoman Empire and reasonably stable
because they had divided it into three provinces, one for the Kurds,
one for the Sunni and one for the Shiite.

During WWI the British took control of Iraq and told them that after
the war they would have independence.

When WWI ended Iraq didn't get the indipendence they were promised,
they became a British mandate. Britain then destabalised Iraq by
combining the three provinces back into one, only they lopped off
Kuwait which until this time was part of Iraq.

The Iraqis were a bit peeved and a rebellion broke out in 1920 which
was dealt with by the RAF who invented the bomber for the purpose. In
1924 Wing Commander Sir Arthur (bomber) Harris said...

"The Arab and Kurd now know what real bombing means in casualties and
damage. Within forty-five minutes a full-size village can be practically
wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or injured."

...and we taught the Iraqis and Sadam how to deal with rebellion.

About this time we introduced Iraq to democracy when they elected
a new King, a foreigner who was part of a large Arab family which were
Britains close allies. It was a landslide victory for King Faisal
because his was the only name we put on the Ballot paper. We taught
the Iraqis and Sadam how to rig elections.

In 1932 Iraq gained the status of Independent Nation and there were
a series of military coups to gain control of the government but the
British backed monarchy hung on.

Then in WWII we invaded them again to stop the Germans from getting
their oil.

British domination finally ended in 1958 when King Faisal II was
assasinated.

Then in 2003 we went and invaded them yet again.

--
ô
õçîd
 
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:20:08 +0100, King Queen
<[email protected]> wrote:

| On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:35:09 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:15:23 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:
| >
| >| On Wednesday, in article
| >| <[email protected]>
| >| [email protected] "Dave Fawthrop" wrote:
| >|
| >| > We know beyond a shadow of doubt that he had reference samples of
| >| > bacterilogical, and industrial fermentors which he had not declared to the
| >| > UN. From those to massive quantities of bacteriological agents is a simple
| >| > operation.
| >| >
| >| > We also know beyond a shadow of doubt that he had missiles with a longer
| >| > range than were allowed.
| >|
| >| Do we? How do we know that then?
| >
| >David Kay found it after the war. It was even on The Box if you had been
| >at all interested in the subject you would have caught the program.
|
| I remember them finding some borderline weapons that Saddam hadn't
| declared, which could just about go a little bit further than the
| declared distance.
|
| The Government tried to trumpet it as examples of WMD but nobody
| bought it.

Read what you quoted.
 
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:05:05 +0100, Marcus Houlden <[email protected]>
wrote:

| On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:15:08 +0100, Mark <[email protected]>
| wrote the following to uk.local.yorkshire.moderated:
|
| > In article <[email protected]>,
| > [email protected] says...
| >> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:30:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| >> <[email protected]> wrote:
| >>
| >> >You are ignoring the fact that Parliament voted for the war.
| >>
| >> Only because:
| >> 1) the majority in Parliament are as corrupt as he is
| >> 2) he lied to us about extra evidence that we couldn't see as it was
| >> classified.
| >>
| >
| > Of course it was classified, they knew full well what weapons Iraq had,
| > on account of the fact we sold him them!!!
|
| Would I be causing trouble by mentioning the nice picture at the top of this
| article?
|
| http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regime.change/

So you expect others to see the future clearly!
Can you tell me what Iraq or anywhere or anything will like in 2034?
 
On Thursday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Dave Fawthrop" wrote:

> So you expect others to see the future clearly!
> Can you tell me what Iraq or anywhere or anything will like in 2034?

Never mind the future, try taking a look at the past.

Prior to WWI Iraq was part of the Ottoman Empire and reasonably stable
because they had divided it into three provinces, one for the Kurds,
one for the Sunni and one for the Shiite.

During WWI the British took control of Iraq and told them that after
the war they would have independence.

When WWI ended Iraq didn't get the indipendence they were promised,
they became a British mandate. Britain then destabalised Iraq by
combining the three provinces back into one, only they lopped off
Kuwait which until this time was part of Iraq.

The Iraqis were a bit peeved and a rebellion broke out in 1920 which
was dealt with by the RAF who invented the bomber for the purpose. In
1924 Wing Commander Sir Arthur (bomber) Harris said...

"The Arab and Kurd now know what real bombing means in casualties and
damage. Within forty-five minutes a full-size village can be practically
wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or injured."

...and we taught the Iraqis and Sadam how to deal with rebellion.

About this time we introduced Iraq to democracy when they elected
a new King, a foreigner who was part of a large Arab family which were
Britains close allies. It was a landslide victory for King Faisal
because his was the only name we put on the Ballot paper. We taught
the Iraqis and Sadam how to rig elections.

In 1932 Iraq gained the status of Independent Nation and there were
a series of military coups to gain control of the government but the
British backed monarchy hung on.

Then in WWII we invaded them again to stop the Germans from getting
their oil.

British domination finally ended in 1958 when King Faisal II was
assasinated.

Then in 2003 we went and invaded them yet again.

--
ô
õçîd
 
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