British soldiers sexually abused us, claim Iraqis

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Disturbing graphic allegations of sexual and physical abuse of Iraqi civilians by British soldiers are among 33 new torture cases being investigated by the Ministry of Defence (MoD).


The fresh claims include allegations that female and male soldiers sexually abused and humiliated detainees in camps in southern Iraq, prompting comparisons with the torture practices employed by US soldiers at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad.

In one case, British soldiers are accused of piling Iraqi prisoners on top of each other and subjecting them to electric shocks, an echo of the abuse at the notorious US detention centre that came to light in 2004.

Lawyers and human rights groups warned yesterday that the British Army may face hundreds of claims of sexual and physical abuse after it was revealed the MoD was investigating the 33 cases.

Phil Shiner, the lawyer representing all the former detainees, is asking for a judicial review of the cases and a wider public inquiry. "I have it on good authority that there are hundreds of cases that are going uninvestigated. My guess is that many of them will remain buried."

The former Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell, a member of the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Select Committee, said: "This is yet another element of the long, toxic legacy of Iraq. Only the fullest investigation will suffice."

The armed forces minister Bill Rammell said that "formal investigations" must be carried out "without judgements being made prematurely". The vast majority of British troops "conducted themselves to the highest standards of behaviour", he said, and that only a tiny number had fallen short of this standard. "Allegations of this nature are taken very seriously; however, allegations must not be taken as fact and formal investigations must be allowed to take their course without judgements being made prematurely," he said.

Pressure on the MoD is expected to intensify tomorrow at the Baha Mousa inquiry, which is hearing evidence into the death of an Iraqi father beaten to death by British troops in 2003. Former corporal Donald Payne, the only soldier convicted for the death, will give evidence. The inquiry has already been told Payne was a scapegoat and that others had been involved.

The 33 new cases include allegations of controversial techniques widely used by the Americans, including mock executions, dog attacks and exposure to pornography.

Hussain Hashim Khinyab, 35, a father-of-three, was arrested in April 2006. He claims he was badly tortured at the British camp at Shaibah and later sexually abused by female personnel. He alleges he saw male and female soldiers engaging in sexual intercourse in front of the prisoners in order to deliberately humiliate them.

The abuse continued in the camp hospital after he was allegedly given an overdose of medicine. Mr Khinyab said: "A nurse called 'K' used to expose herself and make love to other soldiers in front of us.

"Once she administered to me 15 tablets when I complained about my stomach. She asked me to swallow them all at once."

He said his health deteriorated rapidly and he was detained overnight. "While in the clinic, 'K' stripped completely naked and tried to have sex with me. I was so shocked and disgusted,

"I pleaded with her not to do that, she even tried to use what I thought was anaesthetic to make me sleep. I started shouting. Then she dressed quickly and pleaded with me not to tell the duty doctor who came to see what was the matter."

"I was told the dose that was given to me was the reason for my condition and the nurse would be transferred somewhere else as a punishment. I was told that half of my heart had stopped working and they had resuscitated it using electric shocks.

"I still suffer from my stomach ulcer which is preventing me from even fasting in the month of Ramadan."

Mr Khinyab was later transferred to Basra airport detention centre where he claims the abuse continued.

"It started with tearing of our copies of the Koran in front of us. Beating, kicking and punching accompanied us all the way."

Mazin Younis, the Iraqi human rights campaigner who compiled the allegations, said many alleged victims waited years before coming forward because they were afraid of what would happen if they complained.





By Robert Verkaik
British soldiers sexually abused us, claim Iraqis - Home News, UK - The Independent
 
Boo hoo, its war and they wouldnt be detained without good reason, if there getting sex BONUS lol., funny it only seems to work one way.

Bit strong mate. It will go on. Every army will have arseholes.

Just look at that poor girl in iraq that was rapped then shot. Just becasue we are at war does not mean its ok to do what we want. We aere ment to be there to help and tha Majority do. But there is always some sick fck who will do some sort of sick shite.
 
These are the minority, and should be dealt with accordingly.

Although I think all efforts and resources should be focused on stopping the roadside bombs, before investigating claims by a 35 year old man that he felt humiliated.

But that is just because I am a cwazy wabbit.
 
These are the minority, and should be dealt with accordingly.

Although I think all efforts and resources should be focused on stopping the roadside bombs, before investigating claims by a 35 year old man that he felt humiliated.

But that is just because I am a cwazy wabbit.



Agree there.

I can be pretty certain there are going to be the false claims as well, if some/most are not now !

Just watch how many jump on the band wagon.
 
Hussain Hashim Khinyab said:
i can see why he is complaing about the torture , but whys he complaing about getting sexualy abused by women , and he got a live sex show
 
forced to watch people having sex to be humiliated??

ffs, yet its ok for them to chop us up?

get every brit out of the stinking hole and leave them all butcher each other
 
These are the minority, and should be dealt with accordingly.
Are they in a minority, though? I know we're supposed to say that and support the troops, and I most certainly support and admire those who really do good work, but the Pentagon recently released a reported which suggested that as many as 1 in 3 women in the military have been the victim of rape and other forms of sexual abuse. I don't know what the numbers are for the British army, but when you look at their recruitment policies, I wouldn't expect them to be much different. We often hear about the kind of less than desirable people that are being recruited, because it's difficult to meet recruitment targets these days, and it's not just the physically unfit who get a pass. I know a guy whose son was diagnosed with some kind of bipolar disorder a few years ago, who has a history of violent and threatening behavior and a general problem with authority. He's in the army now. This happens all the time, and it's perfectly clear that these are not the best and the brightest.

I really don't mean to take a swipe at the army in general, as I said, I know for a fact that there are good people doing good work, but I do get the sense that there are far more "bad eggs" around than ever before.
 
they should get all these so called gang members and other toss pots who think theyre hard, round them all up, and send them over there

if they get shot or blown up or whatever else, then ahh well, worse things happen at sea
 
You know what?
I am a brit and anything that the British Army do to make the British people safer is OK with me.
Unfortunately there will always be innocent victims.
Like them that were blown up by the 7/7 terrorists
 
You know what?
I am a brit and anything that the British Army do to make the British people safer is OK with me.
A very disturbing view, even if we took the immense (il)logical leap and believed that what they're doing isn't actually having the opposite effect. It's worth remembering that Britain wasn't attacked until after its Iraq involvement.
 
You know what?
I am a brit and anything that the British Army do to make the British people safer is OK with me.
Unfortunately there will always be innocent victims.
Like them that were blown up by the 7/7 terrorists

u should be ashamed calling these guys brits! doing stuff like that will only bring the country to shame, and will disregard all the honest soldiers going about there work in the right way. They are probably working day and night trying to get the trust of the civillians there and then something like this sets them back quite a bit.
 
A very disturbing view, even if we took the immense (il)logical leap and believed that what they're doing isn't actually having the opposite effect. It's worth remembering that Britain wasn't attacked until after its Iraq involvement.

I think that it is very illogical to surmise that Britain wouldn't have been attacked if it hadn't been involved with Iraq.
We just don't know how many attempted attrocities were foiled by our intelligence departments.
And they may have had to resort to not being very nice to suspects to get the information to save Brits from getting blown up.
 
I think that it is very illogical to surmise that Britain wouldn't have been attacked if it hadn't been involved with Iraq.
I'm not surmising that, but it's a far more persuasive argument than "fighting them over there, so we don't have to fight them over here". And nobody with even half a brain believes the nonsense about them hating us for our "freedom" or way of life. Their main beef is with westerners sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in terms of political meddling, cultural influx, and draining of resources, and when you have our guys raping, abusing and murdering civilians, you're simply fanning that flame.

And they may have had to resort to not being very nice to suspects to get the information to save Brits from getting blown up.
I'm not opposed to the idea of extreme measures for extreme situations, but it's perfectly clear that far too many of these guys are just getting their jollies.
 
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It may well be worth waiting to find if there is any truth in the allegations. ATM, we are assuming the are true. yet not one shred of evidence (provable) has been offered.

there is money in these sort of accusations.
 
It's all very proper of us to be commenting on soldiers behaviour from the comfort of our warm homes, but there is a real war happening out there and it is much more gruesome than most could imagine. I could only begin to think how a soldier would feel having seen his mate blown to pieces by a road side bomb and upon returning to base hearing that some insurgents have been captured. So you'd trot on over and want to ask a few questions using an electric baton and your imagination. Big sodding deal, we're at war and these types of incidents are almost insignificant in the big scheme of things.

Historically speaking invading armies have usually raped and ethnically cleansed their way through towns and villages, the British have done nothing of the sort in Iraq. History cites many examples of revenge on a mass scale led by invading armies, we haven't acted in that manner so I would pray that the press leave these types of stories alone. The important thing to consider is the negative impact this story has on our army and not the rights of our enemies.
 
Yes.

Next.
What's your evidence? Like I said earlier, the statistics on sexual abuse against female colleagues are truly astonishing, and that's just what's being reported, so you can only wonder what they're doing to the supposed enemy. I'm not at all convinced the bad eggs are in a minority anymore. There are certainly too many of them.

It's all very proper of us to be commenting on soldiers behaviour from the comfort of our warm homes
But that's how it has to be. You can't leave policy making or drafting of rules of engagement to those who are too emotionally involved.

Historically speaking invading armies have usually raped and ethnically cleansed their way through towns and villages, the British have done nothing of the sort in Iraq.
If the argument is that we just have to be better than Nazis and their ilk, you've probably set the bar too low.

History cites many examples of revenge on a mass scale led by invading armies, we haven't acted in that manner so I would pray that the press leave these types of stories alone. The important thing to consider is the negative impact this story has on our army and not the rights of our enemies.
It's not really about the rights of our so-called enemies, it's about our own morality.
 
But that's how it has to be. You can't leave policy making or drafting of rules of engagement to those who are too emotionally involved.

If the argument is that we just have to be better than Nazis and their ilk, you've probably set the bar too low.

It's not really about the rights of our so-called enemies, it's about our own morality.

Those in the field are much more qualified to make decisions than those at home.

We supported the Russians in their massacres and rape of innocent Germans in WWII. Aren't you forgetting the British Empire señor? To those that were on the receiving end we were the fascist invading army who indiscriminately killed.

Morality,LMAO. Tell that to the million dead in Iraq who faced our invasion.
 
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