Best way to feed hunt on TM 5420HD Super

[badman56]

starting to read into feed hunting for things that may transmit for a temporary time rather than fixed tv channels

does anyone use their 5420 to do this and if so what is the best method? would blind scan, auto navigation or advanced search be the most productive to do daily scans without filling the tp memory or ruining channel lists?

thanks

 

[Rumpelstiltskin.]

It's 5402 just to let you know as you post 5420 on all forums lol
Feed hunting is best done by blindscan, first back up channel lists.
After you ahve feed replace channel list.
Feed sites are much easier to use than searching yourself as they have teams.

 

[xxxxxx]

or @ Feeds en direct les frquences actives - Satelliweb

 

[Zorch]

Hi badman56,

starting to read into feed hunting for things that may transmit for a temporary time rather than fixed tv channels

does anyone use their 5420 to do this and if so what is the best method? would blind scan, auto navigation or advanced search be the most productive to do daily scans without filling the tp memory or ruining channel lists?

I do this quite a lot mate on my TM 5402 HD

You cannot feedhunt using 'Auto Navigation' or 'Advanced Search' as those options only utilize pre-installed transponder frequencies... therefore the only option is to use the 'Blind Search' scanner... however... this feature has never worked properly/accurately on the TM 5402 HD... the same can also be said about the 'Blind Search' scanner on all of the other 'newer generation' Technomate receivers... I have been asking for ages for the 'Blind Search' scanner to be fixed...

https://www.digitalworldz.co.uk/index.php?threads/189899/#215

The main problem with the 'Blind Search' scanner on the 'newer generation' Technomate receivers is the tendancy to keep missing/not finding a lot of TP's... it does not react very well to TP's with very low symbol rates (and feeds usually use very low ones) and it also has a tendancy to allocate 45000 symbol rates to TP's (with very low symbol rates) it has just located/scanned in... which is not good either...

If you don't want to interfere with/mess up your current satellite positions, TP's and channels... what I suggest you do is... set up a new satellite position on your receiver just for feedhunting... and when you have finished the feedhunting session you can then simply delete all of the TP's on the new dedicated satellite position and use it again for the next feedhunting session on another satellite...

If you do happen to come across a feed TP that you would like to permanently save... simply write down the TP's frequency/polarity/symbol rate... then add it into your TP list on the corresponding stored satellite position...

I hope this helps...

Best Wishes,
Zorch

 

[Zorch]

Hi badman56,

Ooops... I forgot to mention how you use the new dedicated feedhunting satellite position without your dish zooming off all over the place when you are using either DiSEqC/USALS positioning methods...

When you are parked on the satellite you are going to scan... simply go into the Motorized Setting menu and set DiSEqC Motor to OFF then save the changes... you can re-enable your previous positioning method in the same way when you want to move to another satellite...

Now you can use your new dedicated feedhunting satellite position by simply selecting that position and start scanning as normal...

Best Wishes,
Zorch

 

[badman56]

thanks for this ill give it a go on my 5402 and not my 5420 - apologies manic

one more thing ive read the manual over n over and i know how to delete channels but all the tps seem to remain there - is there an easy way to delete tps on the 5402 or should i simply load a blank channel list with no channels or tp but jus the satelites made on clarke tech for example ?

and also what step/range do you recommend in the blind search - the default one im assuming?

 

[Zorch]

Hi again badman56,

It's very simple to delete TP's mate...

Menu > Installation > Advanced Search > scroll through and highlight TP you want to delete > press Yellow button > Warning !! Do you want to delete? > select yes > then scroll to the next TP you want to delete etc etc > press Exit when you have deleted all the TP's you want to delete > Saving... Please wait !!

Best Wishes,
Zorch

 

[badman56]

ahh Advanced Search isnt something ive used yet - ok thanks bro for all the advice

 

[badman56]

man this box is buggy as hell isnt it...its not making it easy to learn anything - i just did a blind scan on 30 W no problem then decided to try 19.2 and it got NOTHING - then i went back to 30 W to have a look at the channels No or Bad Signal on every channel even though obviously they do work - turned off the box everything still no signal

so i had to reload a working channel list and wait until it DECIDED to open a channel then start again ... ive read so much negativity about the software on the 5402 and now im really starting to see why

i understand we should leave well enough alone and not be using phantom patches etc but still... if they offer a satellite system with a blind scan it should at least work!

 

[Zorch]

Hi badman56,

To the best of my knowledge... there are no feeds on 19.2°E

Feeds can disappear in the blink of an eye mate... so whatever feeds you found on 30.0°W were most probably finished and gone by the time you had scanned 19.2°E and then gone back to 30.0°W

Best Wishes,
Zorch

 

[Zorch]

Hi again badman56,

These are the satellites to scan for feeds...

Eutelsat 3C at 3.1°E
Eutelsat 7A at 7.0°E
Eutelsat 10A at 10.0°E
Eutelsat 16A at 16.0°E
Eutelsat 21A at 21.6°E
Eutelsat 33A at 33.0°E
Turksat 2A/3A at 42.0°E

Intelsat 10-02 at 1.0°W
Eutelsat 5 West A at 5.0°W
Eutelsat 8 West A at 8.0°W
Telstar 12 at 15.0°W
Intelsat 901 at 18.0°W
SES 4 at 22.0°W
Intelsat 905 at 24.5°W
Intelsat 907 at 27.5°W

I hope this helps...

Best Wishes,
Zorch

 

[badman56]

that helps a lot mate nice one ill check them out tonight - yeh i meant nothing as in no channels opening - the usual motor stuck story

i took your advice btw and have gone with the 117 patch - seems to have made things a bit more stable but i cant be happy with a channel list lol - im constantly trying new ways to make 100% sure ive got every channel there is but now ive decided to be happy with what ive got and try to figure out how to keep up with new tps etc

anyway thats off topic - ill be sure to post any findings and thanks for your help as ever

 

[Merliin]

The TM5402HD is ok to start you off finding feeds as is the TM5302HD but to get a more feeds an AZBox Premium+ & TM6900HD take a lot of beating followed closely by the Spiderbox 9000HD,
As has been mentioned here several time the 5402HD throws up 45.000 s/r when a low symbol rate is in use :Mad2:

Satellites that I scan for feeds:
IS-12 @ 45 east
Turksat 2A/3A @ 42 east
Hellas Sat-2 @ 39 east
Eutelsat 36B @ 36 east
Eutelsat 33A @ 33 east
Eurobird 28A @ 28.5 east
Badr-4 @ 26 east
Astra 3B @ 23.5 east
Eutelsat 21A @ 21.6 east
Eutelsat 16A @ 16 east
Eutelsat 10A @ 10 east
Eurtelsat 7A @ 7 east
SES-5 testing @ 5.2 east
Astra 4A @ 4.8 east
Eutelsat 3C @ 3.2 east

Intelsat 10-02 @ 1°West
Eutelsat 5 West A @ 5 West
Eutelsat 8 West A @ 8 west
Express AM44 @ 11 west
Telstar 12 @ 15°West
Nss-7 @ 20 west
SES-4 @ 22°West
Intelsat 905 @ 24.5°West
Intelsat 907 @ 27.5 west
Hispasat 1C,1D @ 1E @ 30 west
Telstar 11N @ 37.5°west

Coming soon SES 6 @ 40.5 West
1st quarter of 2013 Proton with 38 C & 36 Ku bringing new life to 40.5 west :thumbsup:

I have given up on Intelsat 901 @18 west, Intelsat 903 @ 34.5 west,
Intelsat 14 @ 45 west @ Intelsat 9 @ 58 west
as these satellites are due to be replaced soon & are currently inactive for feeds in my location.

The most productive parts of the Ku band are 10950 to 11200 + 11450 to 11700 + 12500 to 12750,
Some feed satellites use more of the spectrum 10 east uses 10700 to 11700 + 12500 to 12750,

I will provide a list of the active parts of the Ku band for all satellites
53 east to 58 west if members think this will be useful ?

 

[Zorch]

Hi again Merliin,

Excellent advice/info mate... always good to hear from you...

Best Wishes,
Zorch

 

[chopps]

Badman, go to 112p mate if you want to get rid of the motor problem.

https://www.digitalworldz.co.uk/index.php?threads/289372/#post2129123

 

[badman56]

i second Zorch's praise for that Merlin thats a great guide there - as for the patch chopps i tried 112 and strangely the same thing happened straight away i got a No signal on all channels on a satellite i changed to - albeit i was under duress from the wife so didnt really test any more before resorting back to 117 but yeh that 112 solution actually pulled up the same problem but i will try it again later - youd also said id lose the program planner ? but that remained too so maybe i need to first install the official patch Zorch gave me for the 112 as id just installed the 117 official then the 117 phantom

 

[badman56]

heres probably a dumb question but its never stopped me before lol - how do you identify a "feed" when doing a blind search? im slowly starting to learn (through doing comprehensive Favourites lists) what channels ive got on each satellite but is it a case of scanning then viewing after to see what youve got or is there a way of saying "ahh look theres a feed" when doing the blind search

using Merlin and Zorch's frequency guides will help me to identify the sorts of frequency ranges to expect feeds but just wondering if theres any common words or acronyms that would accompany the name of a feed - i found a couple which are multi coloured screens and have something about "London News" on them but i found myself thinking is this a feed or not

 

[Merliin]

Feed id's such as Arqiva - SIS - Overon - GlobeCast - GCF - GCUK- are a guide that you are receiving a feed some feeds just use codes GCF003 - AP Direct - Service 01-ARQ ATL ENC 3 - Multi 6 BU - Fi07WSHT - DX01 50Hz ect ect ,
Feed Satellites normally use low symbol rates such as 3125, 5632,6111, 6666 ect but also use larger symbol rates such as 16500 26800 27500 so a clue to receiving feeds is the fact that the feed will disappear when the transmission has finished whereas a normal tv broadcast will not.

below is a Ku band feed guide for 53 east to 58 west:

53 east Express AM22 11000 to 11120 + 11520 to 11700
45 east Intelsat-12 11450 to 11700 V + (12500 to 12750V not active recently)
42 east Turksat 2A/3A 10950 to 11030 east beam,11035 to 11195 west beam, + 11450 to 11530V west beam, 11530 to 11700 east beam, + 12520 to 12705 west beam.
39 east HellaSat-2 10950 to 11200 V + 12700 to 12750 H
36 east Eutelsat W-7 11035 to 11075 V + 11350 to 11450 V + 12550 to 12650
33.2 east Eurobird-3 10950 to 11200 + 11450 to 11700 +12630 to 12695V
28.5 east Eurobird-1 12680 to 12750
26 east Badr-4 12500 to 12750
23.5 east Astra 3B 11450 to 11700 + 12600 to 12750 (Astra 3A is empty now)
21.6 east Eutelsat 21A 10959 to 11155 + 11450 to 11700 + 12500 to 12750
16 east Eutel 16A 10950 to 11200 H + 12500 to 12750 V
10 east Eutelsat 10A 10700 to 10950 + (10950 to 11200 most active feeds are here) + 11200 to 11680 + 12500 to 12750
7 east Eutelsat 7A 10950 to 11200 + 11370 to 11430 + 12500 to 12750
4.8 east Astra 4A 12540 to 12750
3.1 east Eutelsat 3C 10950H to 11200H + 11200 to 11700 + 12500 to 12750
1 west Intelsat 10-02 11450 to 11700 V + 12513 to 12540 V + ( 10950 to 11200 occasional feeds)
5 west Eutelsat 5WA 11100 to 11200 + 11450 to 11700 + 12500 to 12750
8 west Eutelsat 8WA 10970 to 11200 H + 12500 to 12750
11 west Express AM 44 11050 to 11200 H + 11450 to 11700 H
12.5 west Eutelsat 12WA 10950 to 11200 + 11300 to 11450 + 12500 to 12750
15 west Telstar 12 11000 to 11100H + 11450 to 11700 + 12500 to 12750
18 west Intelsat 901 10960 to 11180H + 11490 to 11700 H (No feeds here atm)
20 west NSS-7 12500 to 12750 H
22 west SES-4 10960 to 11200H + 11450 to 11700 H + 12500 to 12750 H
24.5 west Intelsat 905 10950 to 11200 + 11450 to 11700
27.5 west Intelsat 907 11005 to 11190V + 11450 to 11700 V
30 west Hispasat 1c-1D & 1E 11450 to 11700 + 12540 to 12750
34.5 west Intelsat 903 10950 to 11120V + 11450 to 11700 V (No feeds here atm)
37.5 west Telstar 11N 10950 to 11100 + 11450 to 11700 + 12500 to 12750
45 west Intelsat 14 11450 to 11700 (No feeds here atm)
58 west Intelsat 9 11450 to 11700 (No feeds here atm) may be active again after Intelsat 21 launches on August 17th
06:56 to 07:54 UTC 7:56 to 8:54 BST,

Some feeds do appear on normal broacast transponders such as:
28.2 east 11052H 22000 + 11487V 27500
13 east HB-9 11317V 27500
13 east HB-8 12437H 27500
9 east EB-9A 11804V 27500 + 12092H 27500 + 12245H 27500
4.8 east Astra 1E 10758V 22500
5 west 12543H 27500
30 west 10770H 27500 + 10810H 30000


Some Satellites only use one polarization on certain Ku bands,
Where this is known I have indicated V=Vertical & H=Horizontal.

16 east has recently been using 12500 to 12550 H for German Sat feeds.

 

[Timelord]

hi all i was wondering if it was ever worth deleting all sats, and starting again from scratch on the 5402. are there any benefits to be gained, for example "to stop the dish zooming off all over the place" etc.

 

[chopps]

I do it quite a bit actually, probably once a month.
I use a spreadsheet from Jetsetw which grabs all the transponders from kingofsat or lyngsat, upload it to the TM, then leave the box doing a navigation scan for a few hours. Then I copy my favourites back in to the resulting cndf and I'm happy for a month. I select all beams and include feeds so at least even if there's nothing broadcasting when I do my scan, the TP's are there for later.

Benefits? Up to date channels list, and a warm feeling that everything is tidy. Maybe I have OCD?