hi welchboy, tell your m8 that the bloke who programes his 16f84 pic chip is talking a load of bollocks,he sounds like a ripoff merchant to me, the circut board chip that your m8s got is called a programer clone chip,normaly the channels only last about a week maybe more[it all depends on how long you leave the chip connected in the box]when the channels go off you reconnect the chip to activate them again, once the 16f84 is programed it should last for years,unless you shortcircut it some way, get your m8 to check the wireing on the chip [any bare touching wires might erase it]also check the hook that connects to leg 1 of the eeprom [if its longer than normal it might have touched leg 2 and corrupted the eeprom or f**ked it altogether. ps. if he has accidentaly erased the chip let me know and i will upload the 16f84 hex for you. better still why dont you get your elvis out and programe a 12c508 chip like i said in my earlier post, your m8 will be able to switch his box off at night instead of leaving it on all the time