!!must read!! !!Yet another unfounded N3 rumour!!

Status
Not open for further replies.

camy

Inactive User
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
Messages
55
Reaction score
1
hey all :) was readin an article on another forum earlier and just thought tht u lot would be intrested as it actualy proves tht n3 is hacked!!!

c/p start

The NAG3 is CRACKED - announced at the Black Hat Coders Conference

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Kudelski loses," said the man who hacked his smart cards
(This is a translated page from the Netherlands and describes exactly why N3 won't be a problem.)



Kudelski card hacker at Black Hat conference in Amsterdam..

PAID ACCESS SYSTEMS. A key witness in the court case opposing the Swiss group Kudelski against the media giant News Corporation was passing by in Amsterdam, attending a conference on computer piracy. We met him.

François Pilet, Amsterdam

The audience is glued to the lips of Christopher Tarnovsky. In front of a podium of hackers and security specialists - with an average age of 25 - the self-taught electronics specialist revealed the techniques that allow him to break open chip cards that block access to pay TV chains in the whole world.

The scene takes place in the Mövenpick hotel in Amsterdam, where the European edition of the Black Hat conference was held Thursday and Friday last week. This is one of the prime professional meetings dedicated to computer piracy. Among the twenty or so speakers invited to this big get-together, Christoper Tarnovsky talked for more than one and a half hour in the "Lausanne" room - a sign of destiny (Tr. note: Lausanne is a Swiss city close to the headquarters of the Kudelski Group).

Employed by NDS

The American 39-year-old is accused of having been recruited by the Israeli company NDS, a competitor of Kudeslki, for breaking and publish on the Internet the safety codes of Canal Plus in 1999 and then repeating the operation at the expense of the group Vaud and its customers. The dissemination of codes had enabled hundreds of thousands of pirates access to encrypted programs without paying subscription.

The American ************************ satellite platform, which uses maps to protect its contents, said she had lost hundreds of millions of dollars due to piracy and called for a billion dollars in compensation from NDS, a subsidiary of media group News Corp.

During the month of April, Christopher Tarnovsky testify in a court in California to defend NDS, which has employed for ten years, since 1997. According to him, Kudelski and ************************ have invented from scratch, the plot of which they claim to be victims to mask the weakness of their encryption system.

In his eyes, the case against NDS is nothing short of an extortion attempt. "Sure, I've broken the cards of Kudelski", he annoyedly states. "I was paid by NDS to do it. This is an activity that all companies in the trade do. But why would I have published these codes on the Net for free? I am not stupid, and I never had the intention of taking that risk."

Tarnovsky no longer works for the group over the past year. He launched his independent company, Flylogic, through which it puts its know-how available to consumer electronics manufacturers to test the strength of their products face of the onslaught of pirates before they are put on the market.

Christopher Tarnovsky detailing the fragility of the system based on these chips designed by a handful of companies, like Motorola ( MOT ) and Infinenon, which are used in products as diverse as remote garage, alarm systems and car TV decoders.

Unbreakable? Wrong!

Manufacturers of semiconductors claim that their chips are inviolable. Companies that integrate them into their products rely on the specifications provided to them. They think that their secrets will be well guarded. That is not true, of course. "

Christopher Tarnovski uses HydroBromic acid to eat away at the passivation layers and doping guns to cut/add traces to a working IC. And to submit photos of his laboratory, fitted with equipment he used for a few thousand dollars. At the center, a powerful Zeiss microscope to enter the heart of the chip which are hidden the precious codes. The successive layers of silicon are revealed with acids and lasers. The engineer then explained how he took control of the map by bypassing its protections with long microscopic needles. Within minutes for the weakest, a few hours for the best-designed, the contents of the card opens 9 times out of 10 these assaults.

Upon questions, a voice is raised in the back of the room. An engineer from Microsoft expressed concern: "Have you looked at our processor game console Xbox360? I have been offered 100000 dollars for the break, Tarnovsky said. But I replied that it was not enough. "

It has not invested enough

At the turn of a journalist Estonian. Son pays, . His country, a precursor of cyberdemocracy, introduced in 2001 an identity card chip, which can be used for banking transactions like online voting. This is a Motorola, sniffs Tarnovsky. A former model, poorly secured.

And Kudelski cards? In short embarrassed silence before flies his responce, "Sorry for them: the last two generations have been broken. The next will be also. They have not invested enough in research over the past decade. Today, Kudelski has more money, see the share price. They hope to rebuild with the trial, but they will lose. "
end C&P

I have been posting for a while that we have it in Latinoland for many months, but I don't think many believed me. I even had to prove to one person by listing some channels from Europe and the US and what was on them to prove I was speaking the truth.
We do have to pay the guy $166 per year but we don't mind that as we don't have to worry about installing our codes and we had to pay only 1500 pesos ($42) for a new unmarked receiver with no card slot. We have had only one ECM in the months I have been using it and it was only down overnight.

This info is from the conference in 2008. You can see an update of the last meeting of the Black Box conference this month, when Christopher Tarnovski proved it was cracked.
Read about it here;

AAAFTA Receiver Bin Files Help Forum


c/p end

so it is hacked but only privately where i fear it will remain :(

cammy
 
This all refers to N2 and is old news and irrelevant!!
 
maybe but i agree with the idea that n3 has been hacked ( in private ) and is not being made public <<< just my thoughts
maybe it it will maybe not who knows
 
i have just found this on another fourm


The new nagravision system used by european Pay TV providers (TVCabo, D+, Premiere, Unitymedia) Nagra 3 has been hacked. Rumors circulate in german speaking forums saying the new nagravision system used by european Pay TV providers (TVCabo, D+, Premiere, Unitymedia) Nagra 3 has been hacked. The pirate card is called Centaurus.


The new RSA Card on the market.
It will be hot and PRIMARY NAGRA 3 decipher.
That means 2 provider are so entschlüsselbar.
D plus Spain and Germany Premiere, and Premiere Star.
Unfortunately, it is impossible to both a card file to write.
The providers use different Verschlüssellungen.

They are therefore at the ULC's 2 files found. Example:
(Primärcard_dplus_28.09.200
(Primärcard_pdps_17.10.200

The loader will be able to process both files.

Loader and files are stored in the 43.Kalenderwoche released.
The cards are from the 42nd Week available.
The price of the card for 2 fold benefit is 149, - Euro.

For larger quantities please contact the dealer discounts.
We publish this message already, so you have a
Planning security. To start the action, we will
to knock at Apple in the 40th Week
maps at various stores the card at a price of 119 Euro


Specs:

ISO 7816 Smartcard
Flash: 72 kB
Eeprom: 72 kByte
Crypto: Yes (RSA)
Protokoll: T0, T1, TE
Language: ASM, (C)
Programmable @ 3.57 MHZ
Programmierbar mit Smartmouse,
ProgBee und anderen Programmern
ORIGINAL Centaurus OS

Also Launched is the NEPTUN CARD - it is new card for nagra3

Note efforts are been made to launch EMU keys for Nagra3 in a sofcam form once providers change fully to Nagra3.
 
why cant people except it, N3 can't be hacked end of story.
 
why cant people except it, N3 can't be hacked end of story.

i am totaly with you on that m8,

but i didnt understand what that lads post was all about, thats why i posted here ,i thort that you lads would understand it more.....

cheers dave
 
no encryption system is totally secure if there is a need to hack/crack it it will be done theres always a way round it its just wether ppl have the equipment/funds/ and determanation to do it n3 is hacked but its private where its gonna stay simply becos it has cost the coders an arm and a leg to do it!! and theres no way they gonna make it public so tht we can all use it for free!!! they would be mad to do tht maybe in the near future after the coders have made all the money they can with nag 3 then it wil lbe made public but we just have to wait and see :) anything man made can be man BROKEN!!!

cammy
 
why cant people except it, N3 can't be hacked end of story.


Dont quite agree with that, there is an old saying, if it is made by man, it can be broke by man. I cant see anything being secure, thats why there is so much research into new encryption systems. It will be hacked one day, but probally when N4 is on the horizon.
 
no encryption system is totally secure if there is a need to hack/crack it it will be done theres always a way round it its just wether ppl have the equipment/funds/ and determanation to do it n3 is hacked but its private where its gonna stay simply becos it has cost the coders an arm and a leg to do it!! and theres no way they gonna make it public so tht we can all use it for free!!! they would be mad to do tht maybe in the near future after the coders have made all the money they can with nag 3 then it wil lbe made public but we just have to wait and see :) anything man made can be man BROKEN!!!

cammy

Why go to that expense if no-one can buy one of these hacked N3 cards or boxes? I haven't seen them for sale anywhere yet, apart from the fake Centaurus and Neptune card adverts which were scams.

What sort of R&D outfit would that be? "I know, we'll spend £150k circumventing N3 and keep it to ourselves, no-one will ever know." I'm sure a subscription would be cheaper.
 
Last edited:
i dindnt say tht the coders were going to keep it to them selves 4 eva lol i am just tryin to say tht the hack exists and the coders are wantin to make as much money as they can ( e.g selling the hack to other groups of coders the less experinced, newbie types lol and also those who would pay insane amounts ov money for a fix for there precious tv :) ) and then they wil release it in my opinion ill say it will be public within 6 months mosc first then emu (tit/opus type card) then fta :) or maybe just on mosc and emu i think fta is dead tbh :)

cammy
 
Why go to that expense if no-one can buy one of these hacked N3 cards or boxes? I haven't seen them for sale anywhere yet, apart from the fake Centaurus and Neptune card adverts which were scams.

What sort of R&D outfit would that be? "I know, we'll spend £150k circumventing N3 and keep it to ourselves, no-one will ever know." I'm sure a subscription would be cheaper.

It will happen, but it will be made public, its what happens. If it didnt happen, then there would be no need to go to N3 as nothing else would have been hacked.
I dont know the order of hacks, but for there to be an N3 I am assuming there was an N2 and an N1 so to speak. Everytime there is a new encryption, it will be followed by a new hack of some sort. Look at the CS for sat systems, its a sort of hack and is a loop hole in the security of the card, so I am sure that somebody somewhere is working on plugging that up so before long CS wont even be an issue.
 
i dindnt say tht the coders were going to keep it to them selves 4 eva lol i am just tryin to say tht the hack exists and the coders are wantin to make as much money as they can ( e.g selling the hack to other groups of coders the less experinced, newbie types lol and also those who would pay insane amounts ov money for a fix for there precious tv :) ) and then they wil release it in my opinion ill say it will be public within 6 months mosc first then emu (tit/opus type card) then fta :) or maybe just on mosc and emu i think fta is dead tbh :)

cammy

must read!! !!proof
Martians live on Mars and they eat mars bars, and they watch TV with hacked N3, next week they will visit me and I will get the hack.
Pm me next week and for £19.99 I will send you a new hacked card.

Honest
 
Last edited:
groups of coders? where are these groups of coders selling information?

Hackers do it for fun. everyone knows n1 was paid to be hacked and info was leaked. stop watching the matrix so much.
 
Any reasons why sky has not been hacked yet after all these years ?

There is nothing to make me think that N3 is potentially, econmically unhackable.
 
I have heard that Gordon Brown has just hacked Nagra 3. But he's not releasing the hack due to you cnuts all voting him out of office. Apparently he will release when you all say sorry and vote him back in to No10 ........Or you could wait on the Condems doing it lol.
 
i believe anything is hackable, if its made by man or computer there is always a way to reverse engineer the process

the system is only man made, only as smart as the person who designed it, there is always someone smarter
 
Last edited:
it's not UNhackable - but massively massively expensive. Just cause the VM in the UK has gone N3 - the world of hackers is going to jump into action so we can get free telly again!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top