First UK ID cards are unveiled

mas123 said:
@ FUBAR69.

I think your buying in to the media hype a bit too much. IMO the media hype stuff up a lot just to get eye catching headlines and sell papers... its their job...

I don't think the situation is as bad as you describe...

Just my opinion, don't want to get in to an argument:proud:
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@Seedy, like I said before chum, you WILL be required to carry them in time. The government know they could not push through new legislation for ID cards at the moment because there is simply too much resistance, but by employing the "Creeping Jesus" (or Creeping Mohamad) tact they will simply keep making reasons to give it to peeps..... Immigrants....Students.....Airport workers....Police Officers....Firemen....Ambulance Crew....Government.... Lollipop Ladies..... the wee man who cleans the lavy..... school teachers.... the list goes on...... then anyone without will be in the minority and scowled at for not having one...... someone said it perfectly before "Thin edge of the wedge"

Find it quite hard to believe peeps cannot see further than the end of thier noses !! lol





Good joke Mas, saying that "I" listen to the media too much !!!... brilliant mate(see attached):roflmao:
 
FUBAR69 said:
Biometric passports

DNA Databases

CCTV

ID Cards

Roadside Fingerprinting

Subdermal Chips

RFID

Government Dept's. selling personal data for £2:50 a pop

Where exactly does this sh*t stop ?.... I am sick to the hind teeth with peeps giving it the old "if you have nothing to hide" crap.... this country is worse than Nazi occupied France for crying out loud !

Do some of you live in a Bubble ? :slaps:

I love the way that we all like to think that "our" government is better than anyone else's but reality is they are a bunch of sh*theads that don't give 2 rats arses about you or I's security.... it does not matter if we do not want id cards..... they will just use the "Creeping Jesus" approach and before you know it the ones without one will be in the minority......

Meanwhile back at the Ranch..... the majority of us are too worried about the next episode of feckin Corry or some other mind numbing drivel to actually look round us and see whats going on....


How sad....
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i agree with that post 100% m8
 
karym6 said:
Well, as you can see, there is actually a sensible discussion taking place about ID cards. I would suggest that if you have an issue with my posts that you either send me a pm or just put me on ignore.

And back to the topic, Seedy makes a good point, the info stored on the card is pretty much trivial and is probably already collected by a number of different private companies as well as some parts of the government. At least the government (when not losing our data on the tube) has a group of laws protecting us and our data, a lot of other people dont. Take Google for instance, they probably have more data on us than anyone else on the planet and what do they do with it? They use it to make sure we get loads of paid for ads when we do a google search.

When it comes to privacy, I think it may be a case of I dont really mind any more as big business already shafts me over things like this.
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At least the government (when not losing our data on the tube) has a group of laws protecting us and our data, a lot of other people dont.


hahaha dont kid yourself m8, {if you own a car the dvla will have sold your name and address-------the dvla is goverment run is it not
 
karym6 said:
yes it is - but if I recall correclty, didnt they get themselves into a whole heap of trouble for doing that?

They also have a very good track record for sending out private info to the wrong people, something else they also got in trouble for.
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This is my point exactly - what use is them "getting into trouble" for losing/selling information - its like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted!!

It would be bad enough losing my driving record, name, address, date of birth etc.. but do I really want a card containing all this plus my dna profile being available for the government to lose?

Its not particularly this government either - they all have the potential to be just as bad!!

My concern is where this all leads anyway - if we go back a few years and look at how things have changed and have just become part of society:-

I will chuck in a few random statements to make my point-

In a few years time there will be a camera on almost every public building able to watch your movements

Your local garage will charge you for air for your tyres

Police cars will have cameras fitted that can read your number plate and link to a computer pick up any minor infringement - including tax mot and insurance and any outstanding warrants or parking fines?

The government will tax cigarettes to nearly £6 per packet and then ban you from using this perfectly legal product even in a work van or pub??

If you want to take a liquid on a plane you have to take a small amount in a clear plastic bag?

Cameras will be installed to catch you going over the speed limit by a couple of miles per hour - regardless of time or conditions?

All of these things would have seemed fantasy, maybe only 20 years ago, but they are all part of everyday life now - we might whinge a bit but its accepted!! I'm not saying that all of the above are a bad thing - i suppose even speed cameras have some merit - its just that the state grip is getting tighter!!

I really dont want to live in a society where every move I make is tracked and logged.
 
mas123 said:
As I said mate, just my opinion, and as I also said specifically because I know what your like, I DO NOT WANT TO START AN ARGUMENT!!

So lets just leave it at that...
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Well stop sniping from the sidelines then, and as for you "knowing what Iam like".... please refer to previous attachment......:proud:

@Karym6, mate your post does not make sense.... the private companies that have your information have so because YOU made the choice to give it to them.... they also do not require you to carry your job application around with you permantly, do they?....

And as for the "who says the will make us get one" ..... if that is the way you think mate then let me tell you about a sweet wee deal you might be interested in..... my mate is currently selling London Bridge and he is looking for investors.... I have a funny feeling your just the type of guy he wants to "reach out and touch" :banana:


@ Gooner, brilliant post chum, just sad peeps don't learn from the past. :doh:


Still convinced Karym6 is a civil servant though........
 
gooner71 said:
This is my point exactly - what use is them "getting into trouble" for losing/selling information - its like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted!!

It would be bad enough losing my driving record, name, address, date of birth etc.. but do I really want a card containing all this plus my dna profile being available for the government to lose?

Its not particularly this government either - they all have the potential to be just as bad!!

My concern is where this all leads anyway - if we go back a few years and look at how things have changed and have just become part of society:-

I will chuck in a few random statements to make my point-

In a few years time there will be a camera on almost every public building able to watch your movements

Your local garage will charge you for air for your tyres

Police cars will have cameras fitted that can read your number plate and link to a computer pick up any minor infringement - including tax mot and insurance and any outstanding warrants or parking fines?

The government will tax cigarettes to nearly £6 per packet and then ban you from using this perfectly legal product even in a work van or pub??

If you want to take a liquid on a plane you have to take a small amount in a clear plastic bag?

Cameras will be installed to catch you going over the speed limit by a couple of miles per hour - regardless of time or conditions?

All of these things would have seemed fantasy, maybe only 20 years ago, but they are all part of everyday life now - we might whinge a bit but its accepted!! I'm not saying that all of the above are a bad thing - i suppose even speed cameras have some merit - its just that the state grip is getting tighter!!

I really dont want to live in a society where every move I make is tracked and logged.
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another post i agree with 100%----nice post m8
 
mas123 said:
@ FUBAR69.

I think your buying in to the media hype a bit too much. IMO the media hype stuff up a lot just to get eye catching headlines and sell papers... its their job...

I don't think the situation is as bad as you describe...

Just my opinion, don't want to get in to an argument:proud:
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"Sniping from the sidelines" refers to you giving your "advice" then not "wanting an arguement"....
 
"Sniping from the sidelines" refers to you giving your "advice" then not "wanting an arguement"....
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Ah I see, well firstly it wasn't advice it was my opinion hence me writing "IMO".

Apart from that your absolutely right, I aired my opinion and in order to insure I didn't offend you (even though the post was not offensive at all) I wrote "Just my opinion, don't want to get in to an argument".

Yet after all that you still took it personally...
 
karym6 said:
I dont think they will replace passports completely. In Schengen countries, you can travel with an ID card like this. But if you want to go outside the Schengen treaty then you will need a passport, like going somewhere that requires a visa for entry.
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m8 ryanair wont let you on a plane without a apssport even a domestic flight
 
karym6 said:
Thats up to RyanAir. The UK isnt a Schengen country anyway, not all countries in the EU are, and not all Schengen countries are in the EU.
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wasnt arguing m8 . what i was saying is i would welcome this . if it mean i can get on a flight to scotland without my passport hell yea why not . see i get strange looks my passport is irish but ive a broad scottish accent . so if i carry this fits in your wallet like a like a bank card a lot easier . i cant see the downside .
 
Ooh ive missed a good row here...

I must stick up for Karym6 here. He normally presents a decent point of view, and whilst sometimes intransigent (aren't we all?), his contributions are welcome as far as i'm concerned. For instance, I have never seen him compare a liberal democracy who want to introduce ID-cards with Nazi policy. That would be unreasonable hyperbole.

Anyway, can someone on the anti-ID card side of the debate please tell me how much more the state will know about the average person if the scheme is introduced?
 
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