Taxpayers face £100,000 bill after police force fails to find Sikh-friendly helmet

[mozr]

We all say some silly things now and then.


I just caught your redneck comment. You can't leave it alone eh? What is so wrong with calling you a redneck? Your comments do sound like they are made by an uneducated farmer from from the 'ol deep south. Where's the racism in that?

I can define racism for you by quoting your comments in the context of this thread which is about Sikhs. Do you want to go down that road? Wiping shit with a turban is pretty darn racist from where I am reading this. Take my advice leave it alone, you said some silly things and we should leave it at that.

Never had a problem with Sikhs as I have already said. And judging by your presence on here you are a cool guy. Sikh's have been and still are a great asset to the country. My stepfather in-law is Indian (he is an atheist too), and we have had many chats regarding the relationship between England and India. The Sikh's have been some of the most loyal contributors to this nation, and I applaud them.

However, if you do not see the comparison with calling somebody a redneck (a pejorative term implying a white racist farmer from the south, with little education, and a predilection for incest), to your interpretation of my statement you are being disingenuous.

Lets talk about context. My statement, as I have already clarifies, was not about the Sikh Religion, but about denuding the turban as an item of clothing that deserves more respect than say a pair of jeans. In public life you have to make compromises.

Now, I did it in a manner that was bound to offend I see that, and have apologised, even if I do not take the philosophical intent back. As I get older, I do the profane thing less and less to be honest, as there is really enough shit in the world, without me adding to it, by being facetious.

To illustrate where I am coming from I use the example from 'Brass Eye'. The episode drugs, where Chris Morris stands facing the camera and explains why its ok for middle class people to take heroin

'but what about poor people, people less educated, like builders, or blacks...'

Is this racist?

I would argue not, because the context belies the fact that it is cultural satire, not a racist diatribe. For the same reason, re-read my post. Was I being flippant or tyrannical? As I hope you can see, I was being sarcastic to illustrate a point. I upset you, and mate (if I may) I am sorry.

Still, I would be offended if some lazy prick used my Religion and all that I hold dear, to try and screw the system for a few quid. Is that not the lowest? Is that not blasphemy? As you have said, you have compromised to integrate into this melting pot of ours. Why couldn't he have done the same?

 

[Munkey]

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I wish you would stop making rascist remarks Munkey, for someone bitchin about equality it seems that YOUR equality is a one way street.


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LOL FUBAR. Once again you're wearing your tap dancing shoes on slippery ice. WTF are you going about with Sikhs being persecuted?

Where are these racist remarks that I have made. Spell it out to me.
I really would suggest that you fine gentlemen pick up a dictionary and take a look at what a redneck is. In case you don't own one, I have helped you out (see ethnic minorities can be nice)

1. an uneducated white farm laborer, esp. from the South.
2. a bigot or reactionary, esp. from the rural working class.
–adjective
3. Also, red-necked. narrow, prejudiced, or reactionary: a redneck attitude.

I think number 3 fits the part nicely. Why don't you add number 4 and call it a racist remark?

I'm expecting a diarrhoea of words and a constipation of sense from you, don't disappoint me buddy

White Power :Boo:

edited to keep the peace

 

[Munkey]

Never had a problem with Sikhs as I have already said. And judging by your presence on here you are a cool guy. Sikh's have been and still are a great asset to the country. My stepfather in-law is Indian (he is an atheist too), and we have had many chats regarding the relationship between England and India. The Sikh's have been some of the most loyal contributors to this nation, and I applaud them.

However, if you do not see the comparison with calling somebody a redneck (a pejorative term implying a white racist farmer from the south, with little education, and a predilection for incest), to your interpretation of my statement you are being disingenuous.

Lets talk about context. My statement, as I have already clarifies, was not about the Sikh Religion, but about denuding the turban as an item of clothing that deserves more respect than say a pair of jeans. In public life you have to make compromises.

Now, I did it in a manner that was bound to offend I see that, and have apologised, even if I do not take the philosophical intent back. As I get older, I do the profane thing less and less to be honest, as there is really enough shit in the world, without me adding to it, by being facetious.

To illustrate where I am coming from I use the example from 'Brass Eye'. The episode drugs, where Chris Morris stands facing the camera and explains why its ok for middle class people to take heroin

'but what about poor people, people less educated, like builders, or blacks...'

Is this racist?

I would argue not, because the context belies the fact that it is cultural satire, not a racist diatribe. For the same reason, re-read my post. Was I being flippant or tyrannical? As I hope you can see, I was being sarcastic to illustrate a point. I upset you, and mate (if I may) I am sorry.

Still, I would be offended if some lazy prick used my Religion and all that I hold dear, to try and screw the system for a few quid. Is that not the lowest? Is that not blasphemy? As you have said, you have compromised to integrate into this melting pot of ours. Why couldn't he have done the same?

I have accepted your apology mozr, it was a silly thing to say. I can leave it at that no problem.

 

[FUBAR69]

LOL FUBAR. Once again you're wearing your tap dancing shoes on slippery ice. WTF are you going about with Sikhs being persecuted?

I am not suprised you chose to ignore the majority of my post as it is quite clear you would have difficulty answering it.

It was written earlier in this thread that the reason Sikhs carried their knife was because it was symbolic of a time when Sikhs were persecuted, but it is good of you to clarify that they have never been.

And as far as you trying to walk away from your comments about "rednecks" you really are not fooling anyone. There is a ton of words that we can all use that are not in the dictionary but it does not mean they do not imply what we all know they do.

And for further clarification, even by your own definition, you are basically calling me, Mozr, admin and mods "thick" , well mate let me be the first to apologise for not being your intellectual equal, and I promise to rub both my brain cells together really hard next time I am talking with you in order for me to actually communicate :silly:
Where are these racist remarks that I have made. Spell it out to me.
I really would suggest that you fine gentlemen pick up a dictionary and take a look at what a redneck is/QUOTE]

 

[c9679]

This thread is quite funny in a frustrating kind of way, quite a few racist comments, or at least racist undertones, however thats all people seem to be thinking about from this story, is its Sikhs, etc... Has anyone actually asked why does it take the police £100,000 to find a helmet???

Give me a £100,000 an I will make you a helmet, ffs...

But then again thats the point of these kinds of news stories, to just stir up hatred and seperation between, religions, communities & cultures

 

[mozr]

I agree c9679.

It's the reason The Daily Mail exists.

Let's hope we can all have a cuddle and be fwends again.

 

[c9679]

lol, only if your female and hot... and between 18-25 :banana:

 

[ukbob]

lol, only if your female and hot... and between 18-25 :banana:

Deleted by me...


whats wrong with the daily mail...i've changed to it today?
what have i let myself in for?

 

[logic_187]

This thread is quite funny in a frustrating kind of way, quite a few racist comments, or at least racist undertones, however thats all people seem to be thinking about from this story, is its Sikhs, etc... Has anyone actually asked why does it take the police £100,000 to find a helmet???

Give me a £100,000 an I will make you a helmet, ffs...

But then again thats the point of these kinds of news stories, to just stir up hatred and seperation between, religions, communities & cultures

good post mate.

 

[c9679]

Well a lot of people seem to be reading through stories like that and only interpret it as this...

"A sikh guy cost me £100,000"

whereas I see it as "A Police/Government screw up has cost me about £0.001"

^ Number of UK residents (dont know the stats how many people pay tax) / £100000

 

[ukbob]

Well a lot of people seem to be reading through stories like that and only interpret it as this...

"A sikh guy cost me £100,000"

whereas I see it as "A Police/Government screw up has cost me about £0.001"

^ Number of UK residents (dont know the stats how many people pay tax) / £100000

I see it as a British subject (who happens to be a sikh) as cost me about £0.001

 

[mozr]

c9679

So you are not bothered about any fraud, decepetion, or just (as in this case) stupidity, that costs you only a small amount?

Really? How much is allowed to be wasted until you become upset? Where is the line. I would prefer that 100k going to fighting crime, hospitals, education, even the military. Much better than some moron crying about his blanky, and the Police force capitulating to every whim regarding religion, as you say...

 

[c9679]

The fraud and the deception does bother me, im not saying it doesnt... But what does bother me even more is this in reality has nothing to do with religion, Sikhism or anything... its about Fraud, deception, stupidity, etc... However how many times has religion, culture, Sikhism been bought into this thread???

Im not even Sikh but I can see this is nothing to do with the Sikh religion, the police force like every other organisation is a business, we are the share holders... If someone working for my company came to me and said they couldnt wear their uniform as they couldnt fit into it, I would find the cheapest supplier for a bigger/smaller uniform... I wouldnt hand them £100,000 and say to them go and find a better uniform

Its stupidity thats what the article is actually about... So did they just hand the bloke a £100,000 to go find his own helmet??? No business is run like that and if it is, its the fault of the organisation as a whole not of its individual employees...

Why does it cost £100,000 to get a helmet???


Hypothetically speaking, if you had to wear a uniform in your dream job and part of that uniform was size 9 boots, you could only get them in size 9 and anyone that couldnt fit into them, couldnt work there what would happen?

1, You find another job, do something else and never do your dream job?
2, Ask them to try and change it so you can get shoes that fit everyone? They source different size shoes or allow you to get your own at your expense.

Or option 3, if the company is STUPID enough, Get 100K from them and find your own shoes?

Half these threads that people seem to be fighting and arguing over, if you actually take out the religion, colour differences and culture differences out of them, people do seem to have a completely different view, which I myself dont really understand because everyone is human...

 

[FUBAR69]

The fraud and the deception does bother me, im not saying it doesnt... But what does bother me even more is this in reality has nothing to do with religion, Sikhism or anything... its about Fraud, deception, stupidity, etc... However how many times has religion, culture, Sikhism been bought into this thread???

Im not even Sikh but I can see this is nothing to do with the Sikh religion

Half these threads that people seem to be fighting and arguing over, if you actually take out the religion, colour differences and culture differences out of them, people do seem to have a completely different view, which I myself dont really understand because everyone is human...

Taken from original Post

"According to a police source, the unnamed constable claimed he was being discriminated against and was then assigned the task - while on full pay - of sourcing new equipment that would fit."

Can't see how you come up with the idea that this thread has not got a religious basis ?

The whole issue started because his RELIGION stops him wearing a helmet and shaving ?

Can I ask a question, I thought it was required for Sikh men to cover their heads? surely if he was wearing a helmet his head would be covered?.... or is there a reason it has to be cloth ?

 

[c9679]

Im not Sikh so I couldnt really answer your question about the cloth... Try google though

It still has no religious basis... It could be about any one not being able to do any job for any physical reason, thats what its about...

I will break it down for you...

One Person can NOT do a certain job they want to do because they are not physically able to do so.

That does not mean you hand them a £100,000 for them to go find their own way of doing that job, do you honestly not see that?


I will break it down for you again...

A person stuck in a wheel chair can not get into their local Sainsbury's store because there is no ramp.
You do NOT hand them £100,000 to go build their own Ramp...

Would you like more examples?

 

[Munkey]

LOL FUBAR. Once again you're wearing your tap dancing shoes on slippery ice. WTF are you going about with Sikhs being persecuted?

I am not suprised you chose to ignore the majority of my post as it is quite clear you would have difficulty answering it.

It was written earlier in this thread that the reason Sikhs carried their knife was because it was symbolic of a time when Sikhs were persecuted, but it is good of you to clarify that they have never been.

And as far as you trying to walk away from your comments about "rednecks" you really are not fooling anyone. There is a ton of words that we can all use that are not in the dictionary but it does not mean they do not imply what we all know they do.

And for further clarification, even by your own definition, you are basically calling me, Mozr, admin and mods "thick" , well mate let me be the first to apologise for not being your intellectual equal, and I promise to rub both my brain cells together really hard next time I am talking with you in order for me to actually communicate :silly:
Where are these racist remarks that I have made. Spell it out to me.
I really would suggest that you fine gentlemen pick up a dictionary and take a look at what a redneck is/QUOTE]

This reminds me of the 65% thread. FUBAR is right about everything every time everywhere.

If you can't agree with me and you seem to disagree with the Oxford English Dictionary. Look up words such as n*gger and p*aki and the dictionary spells it out to you. Is redneck in the same context?

Go have your queen fit somewhere else. If you want to make stupido remarks about me being a racist I suggest you make them in Latin, English is obviously your second language and you are not making any sense (unless all them old men in white coats at Oxford are wrong and you with your crappy Latin are correct) I completely stand by what I have said.

In fact you let white members remarks slide yet you decide to pick on the Asian. Maybe its you that are a closet racist?

Hold the FRONT PAGE! FUBAR is wrong, unless wiki is wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck_(stereotype)

Sorry to have hurt your redneck feelings mate but according to all the dictionaries printed by man and some very respected information portals I think you wrong. Have a slice of humble pie on me.

 

[Munkey]

this site may help explain why sikhs wear turbans: http://fateh.sikhnet.com/s/WhyTurbans

I am sure there are other sikhs on this site who can offer additional explanation.

My memory may be a little hazy but from what I recall from some of the stories my mum used to tell me, it was primarily for identification purposes. It was so that a Sikh could be easily told in a crowd of people.

If you lot ever go to India and see some of the super bright coloured turbans that they wear you would have no problem identifying them anywhere.

 

[c9679]

Lets have a design the helmet competition? We submit the winning results to the Police and they give us £100,000???

 

[FUBAR69]

Im not Sikh so I couldnt really answer your question about the cloth... Try google though

It still has no religious basis... It could be about any one not being able to do any job for any physical reason, thats what its about...

I will break it down for you...

One Person can NOT do a certain job they want to do because they are not physically able to do so.

That does not mean you hand them a £100,000 for them to go find their own way of doing that job, do you honestly not see that?


I will break it down for you again...

A person stuck in a wheel chair can not get into their local Sainsbury's store because there is no ramp.
You do NOT hand them £100,000 to go build their own Ramp...

Would you like more examples?

Iam sorry, I did not realise you had issues understanding plain facts, let me clear the fog in your head.

The police man in question is a Sikh.

Clear so far ?

The title of the thread is "Taxpayers face £100.000 bill after police force fail to find SIKH friendly helmet"

Still with me ?

The policeman is able bodied, so your drivel about not being able to do the job is just that...drivel

Keepin up ?

There are lots of laws quite rightly protecting peeps are that disabled, including access to work places etc.

Using small words here, hope it helps

The reason the police done what they done is because they are too shit scared of offending a RELIGIOUS group who are still jumpling up and down.

Should I go on or is that enough homework for tonight ?

 

[Munkey]

and the turban is in two parts, right?

Surely the met could knock up the outer part to look like a turban, but made out of kevlar with a police badge on it?

The officer in question is being a dick. He could wear his hair like Monty and be done with it. Just wear a bandanna and the problem is solved for a quid. You don't need a R&D team and a big budget to figure that out (then again we are talking about British police)