Taxpayers face £100,000 bill after police force fails to find Sikh-friendly helmet

[vik_x]

I am a Sikh and I am shocked by this guys actions. I think it is great he wants to help the community but the fact that stress is absolute bullshit.

I think though we should try and accompany all religions, Sikhs, Muslims, Christians, Hindus and so on. If these people want to give something to the world, the community then come on surely we shouldn't be slating them.

As for the Kirpan, I have you know that all kirpans are blunt and we are not allowed to use it. Just as the Christian cross it is a religious item that we must wear. I for one have never heard of a kirpan being used and will always be against it being used. The only time in fact i have heard it being used was in self defence of another person and that wasn't even in this country. Us sikhs are good people, just like all other religions. People exploting loopholes are not!! The guy shouldn't get a penny coming from a fellow sikh.

Well put, totally agree. The stress think is just exploitation. one day he will pay for any false earnings. "As you sow, so shall you reap"

 

[mozr]

Why should a religious person be granted the right to carry a weapon, where I cannot?

No chance.

 

[vik_x]

Why should a religious person be granted the right to carry a weapon, where I cannot?

No chance.

You are not a Sikh.

Kirpan:
Ceremonial Sword. A symbol of dignity and the Sikh struggle against injustice. It is worn purely as a religious symbol and not as a weapon.

I think it is just a lack of education, once you realise what Sikhism has gone through, you will understand why the Sikhs carry Kirpans.

If you what a history lesson as to why Sikhs carry Kirpan's, I would be more than happy to provide you with website links.

 

[mozr]

Please do not patronise me mate.

To be perfectly honest, the reasons for wearing it mean nothing to me, seriously.

You obviously believe that if someone says they believe in a religion then the law of a country needs to bend to the demands of said person.

I do not. I am an atheist. I do not ask for any dispensation regarding the carrying of knives, ceremonial or not.

The west has taken to eating it's own tail, in a misguided pursuit to make everyone happy.

thevman2k5 has hit the nail on the head here. This prick has used his religion to make a quick buck, and get moronic daily mail readers baying for blood.

 

[mojo247]

many stabbings/murders happening around the country but i dont see people from the sikh religion going out and stabbing people with there kirpan.
for me as a non-sikh i would not mind they carrying them(blunt kirpan) as long as they are licensed.

 

[mozr]

What the hell has the lack of Sikh's killing people with a Kirpan got to do with it? Its a weapon.

Some people give special dispensations to Religions, and religious practices, because its someones 'faith'.

I do not. People should abide by the law, and practice there relationship with God under those rules.

 

[FUBAR69]

Has everyone lost the plot ? We are trying to get knifes OFF the streets, I fully agree that if these people want to wear these knifes at religious affairs then I would have no problems with that and repect there choice.

But to just carry knifes on the street is simply crazy, many many religions have endured terrible oppression from others but it does not give them a right to carry a weapon in the 21st century !!

Should we allow the jews to carry guns incase the extreme right wing come to get them........piffle

 

[mojo247]

What the hell has the lack of Sikh's killing people with a Kirpan got to do with it? Its a weapon.

Some people give special dispensations to Religions, and religious practices, because its someones 'faith'.

I do not. People should abide by the law, and practice there relationship with God under those rules.

many young sikh do not carry the kirpan, statistaclly the more religious ones carry the kirpan as far as i know.
i dont see them as a threat or ive never heard or read anyone carrying the kirpan go stab another person.

as ive said if the knifes blunt and they have a license then by all means they shoulkd carry the kirpan on there religoius grounds.

 

[FUBAR69]

many young sikh do not carry the kirpan, statistaclly the more religious ones carry the kirpan as far as i know.
i dont see them as a threat or ive never heard or read anyone carrying the kirpan go stab another person.

as ive said if the knifes blunt and they have a license then by all means they shoulkd carry the kirpan on there religoius grounds.

Is there is license for carrying a knife in this country ?

It is hardly like a FAC for a PPW lol

So why do peeps keep saying it would be ok if they had a license ?

 

[3dfella]

Carrying a knife, I agree should be illegal. But the person carrying the Kirpan (knife) needs to be Baptised in order to be able to carry one. Only the mentally and spiritual Sikh is able to carry a kirpan in accordance to Sikhism. And in order to be baptised, one needs to be Pure and seriously mentally strong, that is only when one carries a Kirpan, anyone else who is not Baptised and carries a kirpan, and uses it incorrectly will be punished in the Court of God.

I apologise if I offend you by this post but the decision of the Sikh religion concerning someones fitness to carry a knife, blunt or otherwise means absolutely nothing to me. The law of this country is the law that I and every English citizen abides by. It is up to those appointed by that legal system to decided the fitness of anyone to carry a knife, kirpan or whatever. The only court I am interested in is HM and the sooner that people of all cultures living in the UK start to think the same the better off we'll all be.

 

[FUBAR69]

I apologise if I offend you by this post but the decision of the Sikh religion concerning someones fitness to carry a knife, blunt or otherwise means absolutely nothing to me. The law of this country is the law that I and every English citizen abides by. It is up to those appointed by that legal system to decided the fitness of anyone to carry a knife, kirpan or whatever. The only court I am interested in is HM and the sooner that people of all cultures living in the UK start to think the same the better off we'll all be.

Nice post chum, spot on :Clap:

 

[pacman362]

I apologise if I offend you by this post but the decision of the Sikh religion concerning someones fitness to carry a knife, blunt or otherwise means absolutely nothing to me. The law of this country is the law that I and every English citizen abides by. It is up to those appointed by that legal system to decided the fitness of anyone to carry a knife, kirpan or whatever. The only court I am interested in is HM and the sooner that people of all cultures living in the UK start to think the same the better off we'll all be.

Well said its all gone tits up, If i wanted to live in another country i would not expect that country to allow me to have special laws so why do we do it for others ????????????????????

 

[Napster]

because the c*nts seen the pound signs,fookin stress what a joke.

now thats the truth if he dont or cant wear the correct gear he shouldn't be in the job, simply as that really

 

[Munkey]

In fact I could use the turban to wipe up my sperm from the ice cream van floor...

/mozr adds another line to his scripture.

That comment is disgraceful.

I'm totally shocked that this kind of fascist crap gets posted around here without the moderators intervention.

Why should a religious person be granted the right to carry a weapon, where I cannot?

No chance.

Live with it, its the law. I'd suggest you read about the British/Sikh relationship before you talk to the grown ups.

Has everyone lost the plot ? We are trying to get knifes OFF the streets, I fully agree that if these people want to wear these knifes at religious affairs then I would have no problems with that and repect there choice.

But to just carry knifes on the street is simply crazy, many many religions have endured terrible oppression from others but it does not give them a right to carry a weapon in the 21st century !!

Should we allow the jews to carry guns incase the extreme right wing come to get them........piffle

Maybe we could give the rich Jews tanks FUBAR? You don't half talk crap sometimes.

Tell you what though, the Sikhs need their kirpans to protect themselves from drunk/stoned/cracked up British youth and not other Sikhs.

many young sikh do not carry the kirpan, statistaclly the more religious ones carry the kirpan as far as i know.
i dont see them as a threat or ive never heard or read anyone carrying the kirpan go stab another person.

as ive said if the knifes blunt and they have a license then by all means they shoulkd carry the kirpan on there religoius grounds.

They are not blunt mate. You are however right, only Sikhs who have been baptised carry the kirpan. If you're a bad Sikh like me (drink is my sin) you don't get to carry the kirpan.

Is there is license for carrying a knife in this country ?

It is hardly like a FAC for a PPW lol

So why do peeps keep saying it would be ok if they had a license ?

A law is NOT the same as a license. Sikhs under British Law can carry kirpans.

Well said its all gone tits up, If i wanted to live in another country i would not expect that country to allow me to have special laws so why do we do it for others ????????????????????

I'd suggest a google search to see what 'they' have done for you.

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So one guy costs the system a measly £100k. That £100k includes his wages and everything else. Is that a lot of money considering the £1B spent on the dome and billions of other pounds that we spunk in the NHS and education whilst only taking backward steps. We have a sue culture in the UK, this guy is not doing something brand new as he is only playing the system; something we can all be guilty of. It doesn't make it right however but some of the crap posted on this board about Sikhs is disgraceful.

Mods and other redneck aficionados you can pick up yer forks again. I suggest you crown mozr as the chief redneck.

 

[mozr]

We have got on before now munkey.

I apologise if I have offended you. I really do. I had a few beers, and probably went to far.

However, I am not a fascist, nor a child.

I do not decry Sikhism, or any other Religion. However, whilst I do believe that all people should be allowed to practise their religion, I do NOT believe that we (as a taxpaying society) should facilitate it to the point that we have to pay for the indulgences of the ceremony or doctrine of said religion. In this part, France and America have it largely correct.

My first post (whilst being irreverent and possibly offensive) was a philosophical device to show the absurdity of capitulation to religious whim.

Why is my belief in constant masturbation not as valid as the desire to wear a knife when entering a governmental building? So a religious person has to moderate their behaviour when interacting with those who do not believe in the same religion. Guess what? That is called life, the personal/public nexus. We all do.

Again, you are mistaking Fascism for a lack of consideration. Think of me as being someone who enjoys the sacred and the profane.

My first post was profane, this is more sacred.

However, this guy is still using his religion (and in my opinion the absurd place it has the the psyche of societal hegemony) to make a buck.

He is the scumbag, not me.

 

[2old4this]

The case of a schoolgirl sent home for wearing a Sikh religious bracelet is to be heard by a High Court judge.

Sarika Singh, 14, is in dispute with Aberdare Girls' School in south Wales, which says its "no jewellery" policy is fair to everyone.

Since February she has been attending another school at nearby Mountain Ash, where the kara is permitted.

But Sarika, who is backed by civil rights and Sikh organisations, says the kara is important to her religion.

Last week, Sarika and her family took their case to 10 Downing Street, delivering a petition signed by Sikh and non-Sikh organisations.

Sarika, the only Sikh pupil at Aberdare Girls' School, was excluded in November after being taught in isolation for two months.

The school bans girls from wearing jewellery other than wristwatches and plain ear studs.

The governors rejected her request to wear the bangle after a "significant period of research" examining the uniform policy and human rights legislation in detail.

Human rights group Liberty claims the school is violating the Race Relations Act 1976, the Equality Act 2006 and the Human Rights Act 1998.

In January, Rhondda Cynon Taf Council told the school's governors it would no longer give them any more support or financial assistance and confirmed this was continuing for the court case.

In the same month, the Welsh Assembly Government published new guidelines for school governors, saying they should take account of religious views and consider whether uniform policy interfered with the right to manifest a religion or belief.

 

[mozr]

Further more. I noticed you called me a redneck.

That's a shame.

Because if anyone has made a racist comment here, it was you.

I merely adopted the turban (which is not the sole provision of Sikhism) to clean up my excretion, and adopt it for my religion. I never once attacked Sikhs in general, made a comment about how any other religions are better than theirs, or that they should not live/work in this country.

The more the merrier, we are a melting pot. But, do not expect me to pay when someone gets upset when he can't bring his PSP to school.

 

[Munkey]

Further more. I noticed you called me a redneck.

That's a shame.

Because if anyone has made a racist comment here, it was you.

I merely adopted the turban (which is not the sole provision of Sikhism) to clean up my excretion, and adopt it for my religion. I never once attacked Sikhs in general, made a comment about how any other religions are better than theirs, or that they should not live/work in this country.

The more the merrier, we are a melting pot. But, do not expect me to pay when someone gets upset when he can't bring his PSP to school.

We all say some silly things now and then.

I don't condone his actions but really we do not know the full story. I mean £100k over 18 months including his salary means not a lot is left for R&D. Is a police officer qualified to do some R&D for such specialist equipment? Surely specialists are needed to conduct such research? Sack his commanding officer!

So far as the long term sick goes, we've all had the hump with our employer at some stage in out lives and have acted inappropriately.

How many Sikhs actually wear the kirpan? I'm Sikh and I know many Sikhs yet I know of 2 or 3 guys that wear it. We should all wear it by religion or you are not a Sikh, but we do not. We are not worthy of the trust of carrying a kirpan as we may use it inappropriately. Isn't this a better situation than the country currently finds itself with the increased knife crime amongst delinquent English youth?

We have integrated a little bit too well into this country, English has become our first language, we all drink and wear western clothes all just to fit into our new environment. Should Sikhs be commended for this? I think they should, after all we hear a lot about how ethnic minorities have failed to integrate into British life and this is a perfectly good example of integration at best.

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I just caught your redneck comment. You can't leave it alone eh? What is so wrong with calling you a redneck? Your comments do sound like they are made by an uneducated farmer from from the 'ol deep south. Where's the racism in that?

I can define racism for you by quoting your comments in the context of this thread which is about Sikhs. Do you want to go down that road? Wiping shit with a turban is pretty darn racist from where I am reading this. Take my advice leave it alone, you said some silly things and we should leave it at that.

 

[FUBAR69]

Maybe we could give the rich Jews tanks FUBAR? You don't half talk crap sometimes.

I am sorry, I forgot, it is only proper that Sikhs can carry a weapon to protect themselves as they are the only ones in danger, is that because they were persecuted so recently ?

And when it comes to talking crap I would rather leave that to the experts..... on ya go Munkey...

Tell you what though, the Sikhs need their kirpans to protect themselves from drunk/stoned/cracked up British youth and not other Sikhs.

[COLOR="Yellow"]Does your comment mean Sikhs are not british ?, wish you would make up your mind ![/B][/COLOR]

You really are quite anti-british aint ya.

A law is NOT the same as a license. Sikhs under British Law can carry kirpans.



I'd suggest a google search to see what 'they' have done for you.

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So one guy costs the system a measly £100k. That £100k includes his wages and everything else. Is that a lot of money considering the £1B spent on the dome and billions of other pounds that we spunk in the NHS and education whilst only taking backward steps. We have a sue culture in the UK, this guy is not doing something brand new as he is only playing the system; something we can all be guilty of. It doesn't make it right however but some of the crap posted on this board about Sikhs is disgraceful.

Mods and other redneck aficionados you can pick up yer forks again. I suggest you crown mozr as the chief redneck.

I wish you would stop making rascist remarks Munkey, for someone bitchin about equality it seems that YOUR equality is a one way street.


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[FUBAR69]

The case of a schoolgirl sent home for wearing a Sikh religious bracelet is to be heard by a High Court judge.

And it was not that long ago that a school girl was excluded from school for wearing a plain christian cross.

And another girl for wearing a faith ring (also christian).

So this aint a race or faith issue chum, just school policy. :Cheers:

just to add some balance, up in scotland I often see scots men dressed up in the kilt etc when going to weddings. One prominent feature of this costume is a dirk carried on the leg (tucked into a sock). This is also a knife, albeit a blunted one. Yet at the same time the local police force maintains that you will get four years for carrying a knife in public...

And to add accuraccy to your balance, most Dirks/Sgian Dubh supplied with outfits now are solid with no blades, and if I was to travel to a country that did not allow peeps to carry a knife I would at best be allowed to wear it at a ceramony, I would not be allowed to wander round town with it as that is the law of that land.....and I would respect that.