i was searching ya*hoo auction and there is a pheonix/smartmouse programmer for sale if anyone is interested they want 23 notes for it bidding i think was about 11 quid today it has 2 days left to run before the auction ends i would have bid on it but i have the king so no good to me <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">