yeah ain't it mate, i know this sounds mad but some times i think it's a big marketing campaign, call me mad, but last time there was like 60,000 xbox 360's banned and that was just before Xmas a few years ago, now that's quite clever in it's self as they didn't ban your account you new it was still there and all you had to do was go buy another 360 and then update it, and your back on line, OK so your saves and that were lost, i know it sounds crazy and those lame people who got banned were throwing there toys out the cot and saying stuff like "I'm getting a ps3" blah blah, well to be honest it's quite a good marketing strategy, ban 50,000+ machines, at least half of them will probs go out and buy another one some where along the chain, it's just with Sony quickly taking there "loop whole" down quickly when the ps3 became vulnerable, and then m$ not to really do much other than the odd ban now and then when sales of the machines and that drop makes you wonder.......just my thoughts like.........i know at the time it was a sad day for us M$ xbox 360 users and a happy day for ps3 users at the time, didn't take sony long to shut it down.......