Shoppers could face VAT on food

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Shoppers could face VAT on food The feasibility of introducing the food tax is being raised informally between civil servants, industry bodies and retail insiders.

So politically-sensitive is the move that all the talks are occurring "under the radar", according to retail industry insiders.

Basic supermarket groceries are currently immune from VAT, along with books, newspapers and children's clothes.

However a VAT levy on food of between three and five per cent would raise billions of pounds in tax and help reduce Government borrowings, which are expected to hit £180 billion this year.

Food sales from supermarkets are estimated to total £120 billion a year.
The tax would be controversial as it would disproportionately affect poorer families. Any move to impose it would be vehemently opposed by the UK's large food retailers, who argue that it would be a 'tax on living'.

Justin King, the chief executive of J Sainsbury, said this weekend that a tax on groceries would be a "very bad idea". Another supermarket executive said last night that the tax would be "political dynamite".
The topic is being tentatively brought up in Whitehall as politicians, lobbyists and civil servants examine possible ways of raising revenues, according to multiple retail industry sources.

An increase in headline VAT above its current 17.5 per cent level is also being mooted.

One senior industry executive said: "VAT on groceries is being talked about in very tentative terms, rather than as a formal consultation. But it is happening in all parts of Whitehall. It is informal and sensitive. It is such a red hot topic."

"They are thinking the unthinkable. It might not happen, but don't think that people are not having that conversation. They are."
A Treasury spokesman said that there was "absolutely no question" of the current Chancellor imposing VAT on groceries.
"It is not remotely on the table," he said.

However civil servants are examining all the permutations available to the next government to bring in revenue following the election.
The food industry is against the move. Mr King said: "On food, VAT acts in a very regressive way. The poorer you are, the higher the proportion of your household income you spend on food.

"So if you were to introduce VAT on food that would be very damaging for the poorest in our society. So I think that would be a very bad idea and I think most governments would understand that."

A second supermarket chief executive said: "My view is that it would be totally inappropriate. You are taxing what people have to eat to live. Groceries are not discretional spend."
He added that if the new tax were imposed, retailers would have to pass it on to customers in the form of higher prices.

It is understood that the British Retail Consortium (BRC) is in the process of compiling a major report into the impact on the consumer economy on both direct and indirect taxation. The report will be published prior to the election.

Stephen Robertson, the director-general of the BRC, said that a tax on food could be damaging to the economic recovery.
"My feeling is that it could be dangerous to apply a break on spending at this point in a very fragile recovery," he said.

On Friday, John Lewis Partnership (LSE: LJPA.L - news) warned that shoppers are already wary of higher taxes.
"Consumers will also be wary that further out they are very likely to face higher taxes as part of the major corrective action that will be needed to rein in the government finances. It has been mooted for example that VAT could rise to 20pc," the retailer said.

Late last year the National Institute of Economic and Social Research said that families face the prospects of income tax increases and having to pay VAT on previously exempt goods such as basic food if the Government's budget is to be balanced.
 
we are taxed on EVERYTHING else, so why not food? no i dont agree with it, but it may make people think about the amount of food they waste, and may also make some people start to grow their own again

when i was a kid, i used to love going to my grandparents house, and picking food from the garden, all year round. i had my own 2 alottements when i was about 17, and was growing so much stuff, i was giving it away in pubs after giving to family, as well as growing fruits and veg, i was making homebrew there, growing weed and magic mushrooms, all for my own use though lol

but growing your own food will be the way a lot of people go again, its very rare now that you see a back garden with a veg patch, compost heap, drying shed and strawberry mound full of used tea bags and egg shells lol
 
we are taxed on EVERYTHING else, so why not food? no i dont agree with it, but it may make people think about the amount of food they waste, and may also make some people start to grow their own again

when i was a kid, i used to love going to my grandparents house, and picking food from the garden, all year round. i had my own 2 alottements when i was about 17, and was growing so much stuff, i was giving it away in pubs after giving to family, as well as growing fruits and veg, i was making homebrew there, growing weed and magic mushrooms, all for my own use though lol

but growing your own food will be the way a lot of people go again, its very rare now that you see a back garden with a veg patch, compost heap, drying shed and strawberry mound full of used tea bags and egg shells lol

Nice way of thinking about it..

I grow my own, Not that much like.. i get around a sack of marris pipper, a sack of king edwards,, around 100 shallots.. god knos how many spring onions.. around 50 carrots.. few brocolis and about 6 sprouts plants.. which i do in my garden... so it can be done easily..
 
Why don't they just stop paying us our earnings in cash, and give us food and clothing vouchers instead, makes it so much easier on everyone, cause the feckers wont stop till they have every fecking penny you've got. :Angryfire


:Cheers:
 
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Why dont they stop wasting money on space travel and war's, they save trillions. Even if they just stop wasting money on practice rounds it will save tons.

Also they should think about the Robin Hood tax, that will raise billions and wouldnt affect us at all.
 
We're British so will just accept it. I wonder what the Greeks would do?
 
we are taxed on EVERYTHING else, so why not food? no i dont agree with it, but it may make people think about the amount of food they waste, and may also make some people start to grow their own again

when i was a kid, i used to love going to my grandparents house, and picking food from the garden, all year round. i had my own 2 alottements when i was about 17, and was growing so much stuff, i was giving it away in pubs after giving to family, as well as growing fruits and veg, i was making homebrew there, growing weed and magic mushrooms, all for my own use though lol

but growing your own food will be the way a lot of people go again, its very rare now that you see a back garden with a veg patch, compost heap, drying shed and strawberry mound full of used tea bags and egg shells lol

They would tax you on your garden/allotment if people started doing that in numbers.

thebigman
 
hey it just gets worse and worse! remember "jafa cakes" they proved it was a biscuit......you don't pay VAT on biscuits and cakes.....but you do on chocolate .......so "jaffa" took the government to court and proved that a biscuit goes soft if left to stand and a cake goes hard if left to stand.....think m and s won 1.5 million back in taxes! as they proved that the jaffa cake went hard if left thus a biscuit!

....another dibbers fine fact...lol


might have it mixed up so here's a snippet!


Under UK law, no Value Added Tax (VAT) is charged on biscuits and cakes — they are "zero rated". Chocolate covered biscuits, however, are subject to VAT, currently 17.5%. McVities classed its Jaffa Cakes as cakes, but in 1991, this was challenged by Her Majesty's Customs and Excise and the case ended up before the courts.[4] This may have been because Jaffa Cakes are about the same size and shape as some types of biscuit, and particularly because they are commonly eaten alongside, or instead of, traditional biscuits. The court asked "What criteria should be used to class something as a cake?"

McVities defended its classification of Jaffa Cakes as cakes, producing a 12" (30 cm) Jaffa Cake to illustrate that its Jaffa Cakes were simply miniature cakes.[5]

McVities argued that a distinction between cakes and biscuits is, among other things, that biscuits would normally be expected to go soft when stale, whereas cakes would normally be expected to go hard. It was demonstrated to the Tribunal that Jaffa Cakes become hard when stale. Other factors taken into account by the Chairman, Potter QC, included the name, ingredients, texture, size, packaging, marketing, presentation, appeal to children, and manufacturing process. Potter ruled that the Jaffa Cake is a cake. McVities therefore won the case and VAT is not paid on Jaffa Cakes.[6]
 
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hey it just gets worse and worse! remember "jafa cakes" they proved it was a biscuit......you don't pay VAT on biscuits and cakes.....but you do on chocolate .......so "jaffa" took the government to court and proved that a biscuit goes soft if left to stand and a cake goes hard if left to stand.....think m and s won 1.5 million back in taxes! as they proved that the jaffa cake went hard if left thus a biscuit!

....another dibbers fine fact...lol


might have it mixed up so here's a snippet!


Under UK law, no Value Added Tax (VAT) is charged on biscuits and cakes — they are "zero rated". Chocolate covered biscuits, however, are subject to VAT, currently 17.5%. McVities classed its Jaffa Cakes as cakes, but in 1991, this was challenged by Her Majesty's Customs and Excise and the case ended up before the courts.[4] This may have been because Jaffa Cakes are about the same size and shape as some types of biscuit, and particularly because they are commonly eaten alongside, or instead of, traditional biscuits. The court asked "What criteria should be used to class something as a cake?"

McVities defended its classification of Jaffa Cakes as cakes, producing a 12" (30 cm) Jaffa Cake to illustrate that its Jaffa Cakes were simply miniature cakes.[5]

McVities argued that a distinction between cakes and biscuits is, among other things, that biscuits would normally be expected to go soft when stale, whereas cakes would normally be expected to go hard. It was demonstrated to the Tribunal that Jaffa Cakes become hard when stale. Other factors taken into account by the Chairman, Potter QC, included the name, ingredients, texture, size, packaging, marketing, presentation, appeal to children, and manufacturing process. Potter ruled that the Jaffa Cake is a cake. McVities therefore won the case and VAT is not paid on Jaffa Cakes.[6]

I have always wondered if a jaffa cake was a biscuit or cake. Now i know an will sleep better. GREAT FACT. :Clap:
 
I have always wondered if a jaffa cake was a biscuit or cake. Now i know an will sleep better. GREAT FACT. :Clap:

i thought the word cake in the name gave it away a bit

one day will will run out of money due to tax where does it all go

i get taxed on my wages then i get taxed on spending my wages then the shop i spend my money in gets taxed on it aswell then they use it to pay someone else wage and that gets taxed to one day its just going to run out
 
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