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Several men accused of plotting to blow up passenger planes mid-air as they crossed the Atlantic made Islamic martyrdom videos, a court has heard.

Six of the eight men recorded videos justifying "revenge" attacks on non-Muslims, jurors were told.

They also researched other UK targets, including London's Canary Wharf, and contemplated taking wives and children on suicide missions, prosecutors said.

All eight men deny conspiring to murder and endangering aircraft in 2006.

Their arrests in August that year led to a ban on passengers carrying most liquids on board aircraft.

The jury at Woolwich Crown Court was played or read extracts from a number of alleged suicide videos, in which men were seen speaking in front of a black flag featuring Arabic writing.

One man, said to be defendant Umar Islam, described his plans as "revenge" for the actions of the United States and its "accomplices such as the British and the Jews".

He warned: "Martyrdom operations upon martyrdom operations will keep on raining on these kuffars [non-believers] until they release us and leave our lands."

He went on to argue British citizens were legitimate targets because they had paid taxes that funded the Army.

"Most of you are too busy watching Home and Away and EastEnders, complaining about the World Cup and drinking alcohol, too busy to care. I know because I come from that," he said.

Another man, described as defendant Abdulla Ahmed Ali, was heard saying: "Sheikh Osama [Bin Laden] has warned you many times to leave our lands or you will be destroyed, and now the time has come for you to be destroyed."

The man, who described himself as the leader of the group, also warned of "floods of martyr operations" against non-Muslims which would scatter "the people and your body parts and your people's body parts" which would be "decorating the streets".

A man in another recording, which the prosecution claims is Waheed Zaman, a former student who studied biomedical sciences, denied being "brainwashed" and warned: "Remember as you kill us, you will be killed. As you bomb us, you will be bombed."

And in what the jury was told was Tanvir Hussain's suicide video, a man said he wished he could "come back and do this again, and just do it again and again until people come to their senses and realise, you know, don't mess with the Muslims".

'Liquid bombs'

Peter Wright QC, prosecuting, said the recordings "were significant" because they showed the men "contemplated losing their lives in some violent act", which would be a "perceived act of martyrdom in the name of Islam".

"We suggest the tenor of these remarks leaves little room for any degree of ambiguity," he added.

The eight men are accused of plotting to use home-made devices of liquid explosives, which would be smuggled on to aircraft and then used to blow up a number of transatlantic flights from London's Heathrow Airport.

At least seven aircraft flying to major cities across north America were the targets, the court has been told.

But the jury has also heard that computer memory sticks found at the High Wycombe home of Mr Sarwar revealed the alleged plotters also considered other UK targets.

Mr Wright said they included Canary Wharf, a gas pipeline running between Belgium and the UK, other UK airports, as well as companies that store and process hydrogen peroxide.

Another memory stick found in Mr Sarwar's garage contained information about power stations, internet service provider exchanges, oil refineries, the National Grid and UK airports, the jury was told.

'Women and children'

The court later heard how the alleged plotters stockpiled materials needed for their home-made liquid devices - including 18 litres of hydrogen peroxide, wires and syringes - which the prosecution claims they intended to smuggle on to aircraft disguised as 500ml soft drinks.

Prosecutors also claim police bugging devices at a "bomb factory" in Forest Road, Walthamstow, during July and August 2006 revealed how some of the men considered taking their wives and children on the alleged mission.

The court was told that Mr Ali was overheard speaking about a train bombing and that a "brother" had "wanted to take his kid on the train with him - shake them up".

Mr Wright told the jury Mr Ali was also overheard considering taking his child but said his wife "would not agree to it" and that Mr Islam was heard saying his wife may join the plot if it was a "significant operation".

"Such a sacrifice is beyond contemplation for those who are the targets but not those who participate in activities such as this," Mr Wright said.

The defendants are Abdulla Ahmed Ali, aka Ahmed Ali Khan, 27, of Walthamstow, Assad Sarwar, 24, of High Wycombe, Tanvir Hussain, 27, of Leyton, east London, and Mohammed Gulzar, 26, of Barking. Also charged, are Ibrahim Savant, 27, of Stoke Newington, Arafat Waheed Khan, 26, of Walthamstow, Waheed Zaman, 23, of Walthamstow, and Umar Islam, aka Brian Young, 29, of Plaistow, east London.

Source BBC website

What a bunch of dipshits. They record these martyrdom videos but then plead not guilty to the charges. Bang them up and throw the key away with no trial. They are going to waste £££'s of our taxes defending the inexcusable.
 
not guilty??????

FFS, dont waste another penny of tax payers money on these filthy scum

wrap them in pig skins and execute the coonts, makes me fukin sick
 
scary stuff as most of these brain washed scum were only living a few mins away from me. These ppl are drop outs they never achieved anything in life so they turned to terrorism to achieve something, by taking innocent life. They should be hanged.
 
We really need the death penalty brought back, although these pricks and their followers would still call themselves martyrs.
 
Anyone who declares "war" on this country should be treated as the enemy, regardless of creed or religious affiliation.

Intel used to locate and simply destroy these people, sadly they are too cowardly to do the same, too busy planning to kill innocent women and children in some chickenshit fashion.
 
Anyone who declares "war" on this country should be treated as the enemy, regardless of creed or religious affiliation.

Intel used to locate and simply destroy these people, sadly they are too cowardly to do the same, too busy planning to kill innocent women and children in some chickenshit fashion.

I think thats the biggest point of all. These muslim terrorists are just cowards. If they had had any guts they would try and fight the British army instead of attacking innocent people including children.

This is just the beginning. Right now they maybe cowardly drop outs with no money making DIY bombs but give it a few years and they will organise themselves much better and equip themselves with much more sophisticated weaponry. There is no chance of stopping them once they decide to unleash dirty bombs in the UK.

The British are too PC to even ask the right questions. Since they hate this country so much we should send them back to where they come from including their families who are obviously in on it but do nothing to stop it.

Either way they are just following the strict teachings of islam where all non muslims must be killed or converted.
 
The British are too PC to even ask the right questions. Since they hate this country so much we should send them back to where they come from including their families who are obviously in on it but do nothing to stop it

but thats the thing m8, a lot of these bombers and that were born in the UK, id say either execute them, or send them to whatever country their grandparents were from

the next thing will be breaching human rights cos theyre locked up or some stupid crap like that
 
ye people who go out killing innocent people or even think that in the name of islam bring a bad name to us.

6/8 of them theres evidence there... the other 2 might not be guilty for all we know...
 
ye people who go out killing innocent people or even think that in the name of islam bring a bad name to us.

6/8 of them theres evidence there... the other 2 might not be guilty for all we know...

they are giving it a bad name m8, and the worse thing is, shit sticks

nobody remembers about the guy who selflessly pulled a drunk out of a burning car that was a muslim and said that any muslim would do it seeing another person in danger, people only remember peoples bad points

2/8 of them may well be innocent, but the other 6 give islam an even worse name by now denying it when faced with all the evidence and the preaching of hate towards THEIR OWN country

innocent, my arse
 
they are giving it a bad name m8, and the worse thing is, shit sticks

nobody remembers about the guy who selflessly pulled a drunk out of a burning car that was a muslim and said that any muslim would do it seeing another person in danger, people only remember peoples bad points

2/8 of them may well be innocent, but the other 6 give islam an even worse name by now denying it when faced with all the evidence and the preaching of hate towards THEIR OWN country

innocent, my arse

yea true mate...i just dont think our legal system will give them the punishment the guilty deserve..

the muslim shouldnt of been drunk in the first place... people like that are not following the true teachings of the religion grr...
 
people like that are not following the true teachings of the religion grr...

You don't say! lol

Although i know there are plenty of non Muslims that really believe the Koran instructs these people to kill Christians.
 
The TV has shown plenty of 'Idiots Guide to Islam' type shows to try and educate non Muslims and ease these irrational fears but I think some people just choose to ignore the truth and decide for themselves that Muslims are basically evil and all they want to do is take over the country and kill Christians, it's quite laughable.

Having these nutters running around blowing people up (allegedly) in the name of Islam is only harming the innocent Muslim communities, these people are not true Muslims, they are simply evil bastards.
 
yea true mate
the muslim shouldnt of been drunk in the first place... people like that are not following the true teachings of the religion grr...

I think digidude was trying to say that muslim pulled a drunk out of the car not that the drunk was a muslim.
 
I honestly think that the only way to rescue the good name of Islam has to come from the Muslim community itself.They must come out in public outrage at these people and do everything in their power to shop them to the authorities not just make feeble excuses for them otherwise everyone thinks the Muslims are secretly condoning their actions.I know if a group off fanatics was running round the Middle east blowing up innocent women and children in the name of the Church of England There would be all hell breaking out over here to find out who they were.We have all heard of association by doing nothing and that is what is harming the muslim nations
 
I think digidude was trying to say that muslim pulled a drunk out of the car not that the drunk was a muslim.

yep the guy was a muslim, he pulled a drunk driver out of a crashed car that had burst into flames

but i also agree that by doing nothing a lot (not all) of the muslim community is helping these extremists

if i knew someone who wanted to be associated with me was doing something as unimaginable as this, i wouldnt think twice about showing how outraged i was about it (all jokes about dutcho and sheep aside lol)

these people who visit the same places of worship, their families and friends, by doing nothing are helping them, and thats what the press and everyone else loves to jump on and highlight
 
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