Lost Ending???

for me, the only questions remaining were ones about the island itself - i mean, those guys building that donkey wheel to 'control' the thing that got them off the island - THAT was bollocks and a quick cop out.
 
what does me is that the following never got answered

- why were the numbers written on the hatch?
- was there a actual purpose to press that button by Desmond?
- Why did Lock exactly know when it was going to rain?
- How could the others know everything about the losties?
- Charlie died to allow Claire escape by helicopter. What happened?
- How did Jacob travel on and off the island?

- why time travel?
- how about the moving Island?
- Why was the island underwater in the purgatory
- how about Walt?
- what was smokie exactly?
- what lies in the shadow of the statue?
- charles widmore's part to the island?
- Dharma Initiative?

If David was Jacks “peace” in purgatory, what was Sayids?
Sayid’s ideal is to lose Nadia and hook up with someone he dated for five minutes?
Where was Ecko and Anna?
 
...and are we expected to believe that both Kate and Sawyer went on to live their lives without ever meeting anyone else and falling in love, having a family etc?

Also, when exactly did Jack die? Ok, we saw him die after he fixed the big plug beneath the island (fooking garbage idea), but wasn't that side story supposed to be happening after they were dead? Wasn't that Jack letting go? IF so, then he must have already been dead.

Oh **** it.
 
However it ended it was going to be disappointing. I loved the series: rich in story/ideas and character.

I don't feel cheated: the whole series was enigmatic, the ending was enigmatic.

Lots of room to muse and wonder - uncertainty can be fun.
 
and when did sawyer become a cop?? at the start we saw him as a con man.
 
and when did sawyer become a cop?? at the start we saw him as a con man.

mate he was dead at this point, they all was, ....these was just ghosts in limbo , waiting to all meet up and to go to the otherside .
This is why the questions beg as to where ..echo , walt and michael was in these "alternate scenes" Which in my head is that they simply already crossed over cause they was not as close knitted to the regular group .
 
mate he was dead at this point, they all was, ....these was just ghosts in limbo , waiting to all meet up and to go to the otherside .
This is why the questions beg as to where ..echo , walt and michael was in these "alternate scenes" Which in my head is that they simply already crossed over cause they was not as close knitted to the regular group .

I'm gonna watch it again tonight mate.. Can't get my head around it.. Lol
 
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Ending Explanations Posted by Writer From Bad Robot

Really, I was quite disappointed by the ending so I figured I'd do some searching and on one of the many forums I read I found this. It IS written by a Bad Robot writer who worked on lost and maybe it's been posted here and maybe it hasn't but it clears up some things many of you have questions about so I figured I'd share. I was going to post this up in a blog but this site wouldn't allow me to make a blog since I created a new account. So I figured since this is where I came first to look for answers maybe someone else will as well.

Orignal Post

Found on lostmediamentions Spoiler Good stuff on here! I can finally throw in my two cents! I've had to bite my tongue for far too long. Also, hopefully I can answer some of John's questions about Dharma and the "pointless breadcrumbs" that really, weren't so pointless ...

First ... The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.
 
I'm gonna watch it again tonight mate.. Can't get my head around it.. Lol

lmao...me neither , i understood bits and bats ...but theres a shitload of unanswered questions still ....
 
i still dont understand it at all and prob never will now i always thought they were dead from the begining but how could they be when kate got of the island with arron who was now about 5yr old and she handed him over to clares mam how did she see kate if she was dead and how come later on in the flas side ways he was not born its all strange and nothing at all explained
 
i still dont understand it at all and prob never will now i always thought they were dead from the begining but how could they be when kate got of the island with arron who was now about 5yr old and she handed him over to clares mam how did she see kate if she was dead and how come later on in the flas side ways he was not born its all strange and nothing at all explained

the flash sideways was set just after as if the plane had landed. earlier in the series when she had handed him to claire mum, that was set 3 and a half years AFTER they'd 1st left the island after the frieghter had blown up.

and besides, it wasn't a flash sideways, it was the afterlife they'd all created to meet up with each other when they died - people assumed it was a flash sideways
 
dont forget in this afterlife ...they was all happy in limbo(they could do wot they wanted ) , doing wot they enjoyed doing !!!
then they remembered ......
There is NO WAY this afterlife that they all had , would happen in REAL LIFE .
when i die and go into limbo , i will be a porn star lmfao
 
Some of the things that you have said manofscience, I get. but some of that stuff off the writer is pure "alice in wonderland" stuff.

Overall, I enjoyed the series, some great characters that we really got to know. The series watched like a good book and I REALLY enjoyed seeing the characters reunited one by one at the end there, proper got goosebumps, but then to find out they were all dead (at that point, not on the island) was a real deflater at the time.

In retrospect though I can see that alive or dead, they were reunited and had found each other for ....eternity??

Clever stuff, maybe a bit too clever to have the impact it should have had and really deserved .
 
Some of the things that you have said manofscience, I get. but some of that stuff off the writer is pure "alice in wonderland" stuff.

Overall, I enjoyed the series, some great characters that we really got to know. The series watched like a good book and I REALLY enjoyed seeing the characters reunited one by one at the end there, proper got goosebumps, but then to find out they were all dead (at that point, not on the island) was a real deflater at the time.

In retrospect though I can see that alive or dead, they were reunited and had found each other for ....eternity??

Clever stuff, maybe a bit too clever to have the impact it should have had and really deserved .

yeah - i agree totally with what you said. it was clever that it was the afterlife - but also a bit... disapointing. i thought des was going to bring both realities together or something although i did say earlier on in the series "they're all doing what they dreamed they would be doing"

yeah, i guess they all came together to move on together in heaven/eternity.

it was always never going to tie everything up, it was always going to let us down. plus, the most likely way they worked it was that half way thru season 1 when everyone worked it out as purgatory - they then spent 5 more series trying to finishing it some other way!!!
 
yeah - i agree totally with what you said. it was clever that it was the afterlife - but also a bit... disapointing. i thought des was going to bring both realities together or something although i did say earlier on in the series "they're all doing what they dreamed they would be doing"

yeah, i guess they all came together to move on together in heaven/eternity.

it was always never going to tie everything up, it was always going to let us down. plus, the most likely way they worked it was that half way thru season 1 when everyone worked it out as purgatory - they then spent 5 more series trying to finishing it some other way!!!

lol, would have been really dissapointing if they had gone with purgatory, or a dream, or someones delusions . I was expecting something along those lines tbh.

All over now though, what AM i going to do with that extra hour !! lol
 
I've just started watching this properly now....I don't know why but I always seem to get into shows after the fact - I did the exact same thing with 24 as well I got into that during the writers strike hiatus.

Anyway despite knowing the ending I'm still watching right from the start and I'm really enjoying it. Yes I can switch off and enjoy the entertainment lol. But I have to say from what I've seen so far the afterlife explanation makes perfect sense because nobody could have survived a plane crash from 40,000 ft in the air and that monster tearing down trees ? and Locke being disabled before the crash now being able to walk all of a sudden ? Granted I'm only a few episodes in to the first season so far but from what I've seen the ending seems to tie in to the genesis.
 
I've just started watching this properly now....I don't know why but I always seem to get into shows after the fact - I did the exact same thing with 24 as well I got into that during the writers strike hiatus.

Anyway despite knowing the ending I'm still watching right from the start and I'm really enjoying it. Yes I can switch off and enjoy the entertainment lol. But I have to say from what I've seen so far the afterlife explanation makes perfect sense because nobody could have survived a plane crash from 40,000 ft in the air and that monster tearing down trees ? and Locke being disabled before the crash now being able to walk all of a sudden ? Granted I'm only a few episodes in to the first season so far but from what I've seen the ending seems to tie in to the genesis.

youve missed summat m8,everything that goes on on the island is supposed to be real,its the sideway jobbie thats supposed to be the afterlife
 
I'm not that far in yet m8 lol....I just meant that from what I have seen so far which would be the plain crash, locke's disability before the plane crash and him hunting wild boar it seems to make sense that the weird stuff with the island and people would tie in to the afterlife explanation from what little I've seen already....as for what's meant to be real I've no idea as I say I'm not that far in yet bud haha.
 
I loved the series from the very 1st episode and I loved the ending. It never answered half the questions but I don't care because I knew it coudn't possibly do that.

The characters were great, each with their own qualities, sometimes you loved them and sometimes you just wanted to shout at them. Some seasons were not very good storywise but to watch the charaters grow was just great. I felt as if I actually knew them and thats the sign of a very good writer (imho)

I say well done JJ Abrams.

The only thing about it that annoys me is that it is over and we will never see another new episode.

Sorry to see it go.
 
I'm really going to miss it. It must rate as one of the best - if not the best - TV shows ever.
 
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