Child benefit to be scrapped for higher taxpayers

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Child benefit is to be axed for higher rate taxpayers from 2013, Chancellor George Osborne has announced.

He told the BBC it was a "big decision" but "absolutely necessary" as it would save £1bn a year at a time of extreme pressure on government finances.

Any couples where one parent earns about £44,000 - roughly the 40% tax level - and above will be affected.

But critics said single parents and couples on relatively modest incomes would be penalised.

Universal benefit

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Currently child benefit is paid to 7.7 million families with children, costing about £12bn a year.

Ministers estimate the change will affect about 1.2 million families.

The coalition says big reductions in expenditure are needed in nearly all areas of government, if it is to bring down the budget deficit.

Mr Osborne said: "It's very hard to justify taxing people on much lower incomes in order to pay the child benefit to some of the better off in our society."

He confirmed the cut would hit homes with a single or two high earners but families with two parents on incomes up to £44,000 - which might add up together to over £80,000 - would keep the benefit.

The chancellor defended this by saying his plan was "the most straightforward" option - which would avoid across the board means testing.

'In it together'

"It's not a decision we've taken lightly," he added.

"But given the scale of the debts Labour's left us with, and given they've left us with no plan and we've had to come up with proposals, we think this is fair.

"It means we're all in this together. Each part of society is going to be making a contribution"

At the moment, parents are paid £20.30 a week for the eldest child and £13.40 for subsequent children, with payments continuing until the age of 19 for those in full-time education.

Families with three children who will no longer be eligible to receive child benefit face being £2,500 a year worse.

The chancellor insisted this was a "one-off" measure and did not mark the end of the principle of universal benefits which have underpinned the welfare state for decades.

Continue reading the main story “Start QuoteIf child benefit has to be cut, and we regret that it has to be, it should be done on the basis of income”
End Quote Martin Narey, Chief Executive, Barnardos
Under the proposed changes, a family where both parents are earning just under £44,000 will continue to receive child benefit while a family where only one person is working and whose income is just above £44,000 will lose the payment.

Asked whether this was an anomaly in the proposal, Mr Osborne said the alternative was to introduce a "complex" system of means testing where all households had their incomes assessed.

People will be expected to declare on their tax returns whether they fall within the 40% and 50% tax brackets and the money will then be clawed back through the tax system.

However, Mr Osborne urged top-rate taxpayers to stop claiming child benefit altogether, saying this would be the "most sensible" thing to do.

'Catastrophic'

BBC political editor Nick Robinson said the government's move amounted to a middle-class tax rise that would directly hit most delegates at the Conservative conference.

He said that this reflected the contradiction that, while the party was delighted to be back in government, it was having to come to terms with the reality of the painful decisions facing the country if it was to meet its objective of eliminating the structural deficit within five years.

Mr Osborne announced in June's Budget that child benefit would be frozen for three years.

Although the 40% tax rate currently takes effect for those on annual incomes of £37,401, once the £7,000 annual personal allowance is taken into account, the figure rises to more than £44,000.

But critics say the move will further penalise people on relatively modest incomes.

"They're not people who are rich," said Paul Noon, general secretary of the Prospect union.

"They are people who pay their taxes, they are people that work hard and need this sort of income to keep families together and support children."

Martin Narey, chief executive of Barnardos, said the charity "bitterly regretted" that child benefit would be cut but it understood the government could not ignore the expenditure.

"If child benefit has to be cut, and we regret that it has to be, it should be done on the basis of income. People who earn more money should lose child benefit," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

However, he added cutting benefits for older children could be "catastrophic".

"There are already many families living in poverty where dad and mum are in full-time work, they have teenage children, very many of them still a long way from a reasonable living standard.

"To take away child benefit from them just because their kids are 14 to 15, would be foolish and very damaging. It would certainly plunge many more families into poverty."

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TBH, who needs benefits when you're on 40 grand a year? And with high earning couples, it's surely not needed? Might aswell give it to the single parents
 
it's always the middle class seems to be hit with cuts :(

Middle? What about the working class? How many studies have been done since the coalition governement got into power that show the working class will yet again be the worst hit when the budget was announced!
 
TBH, who needs benefits when you're on 40 grand a year? And with high earning couples, it's surely not needed? Might aswell give it to the single parents

£40,000 a year isn't huge money, especially if you have a large mortgage and have to pay a child minder etc.

I don't see why people that work hard should be penalised for it. It seems to be the same people that pay for everything, the really rich get their tax breaks and the middle class families are the ones that bear the brunt of everything.

@smok3y, as far as i am concerned working class and middle class are the same thing these days. They are the people with jobs that pay most of the tax.
 
i agree..working class are shafted from all angles..now with VAT going up, fuel prices as well, living costs, food, bills...car insurance..etc...makes me really mad, year in year out...nothing seems to get better...working my ass off all my life, pay taxes etc....this influx of peeps from other countries that have come to this country have taken everything...benefits, free nhs..infact evrything is free, most of them dont work...country has gone all downhill..no signs of changing..or ever will...
 
£40,000 a year isn't huge money, especially if you have a large mortgage and have to pay a child minder etc.

you try telling that to somebody who earns 10000-20000 a year,40000 a year is massive to them
 
you try telling that to somebody who earns 10000-20000 a year,40000 a year is massive to them

and what if it's both partners working, one earning 15 k and the other 25 k? Running two cars as they both work in different directions and maybe paying to have 3 children minded?

i'm not saying that it's not a good wage, all i'm saying is that these people arent the top earners, look at what the politicians, top bankers etc earn. Child benefit seems to be about the only break a lot of families get.

Also maybe you have a scenario where the husband works and controls all the finances and the child benefit is all the mother is given to spend. I believe that isn't that unusual a situation.
 
if you ask me

give child benefit to all....but only for say 2 or 3 children.

after that if you want to breed like a rabbit fair play but at least the rest of us dont have to pay for them.

that way these parasites who have never worked and screw the system with 5 , 6 , 7 ,8 or more kids dont earn out of it as i believe kids are not there to get you money but are YOUR duty to look after them.
 
Half of the people I know put the child benefit straight into a savings account, the kids never see it and never will, it's a nice little earner for them. The only people who should be getting paid Child Benefit are those that actually NEED it to help raise their kids.

If I earned £44,000 a year I wouldn't be bothered whether or not the Gov was stopping it, but it would dent my nest egg I suppose.
 
TBH, who needs benefits when you're on 40 grand a year? And with high earning couples, it's surely not needed? Might aswell give it to the single parents

why give it to the single parents (and i will make a point now , i am not popping at women who have been left after a long term relationship by a butt wipe that wont pay for his kids)


so what if someone earns above 40k pa some of them might be like me get up at 5am drive 70 mile to work do 9 hrs at work then drive 70 mile home again have 2 kids under 10 and a woman that always worked before having kids , i live in the s/east and own (mortgaged) my own house .mrs c7 has a car and we like to live a reasonable life ie holidays, eating out etc But you want to give it to single parents a lot of which have never and will never do a days work in their life.
i find this both wrong and offensive as this country has become a haven for spongers , scroungers and people who want to screw the system. people like me work hard and pay into this system for the GENUINE hard luck stories as that was what the benefit system was set up for.
 
What annoys me the most is this is not a joint income of £44k, this is if either parent earns over £44k (don't know how this works for split families). So a house could have an income of £85k and still be fine.

As for people who are saying that £44k is a huge amount, believe me its not. I won't deny its better then 20k but don't forget that at 44k I am already paying 40% tax plus tax on everything I spend. Not like I am not pumping enough into the system. I thought society was saying, work harder, earn more and you get to make lifestyle choices, I guess there is getting less and less incentive to do that.

As a double blow my mrs is going to uni hopefully next year, 1/2 her course is work based but guess what, if you household income is over 33k, she won't get paid where as the other students will be paid 10k a year. Same with 2k a year course fees that we will need to cover where as 'lower income' students get course fees paid by NHS. That is 12 grand a year worse off which is more then the difference in income between 33k and my salary.

There are other changes as well coming, loss of tax free nursary payment, working tax credit changes and scraping of child saving accounts. By my recking I will be over 5k a year worse off just related to child payments.
 
Never claimed it for my young one and don't earn £44,000 a year, you want kids you pay for them, scrap it.
 
Not sure if i'm reading this right but how can a couple both earning 40k (total income of 80k) still be entitled to CB's and another couple where there is only a single income of 45K not be entitled :err:
 
Not sure if i'm reading this right but how can a couple both earning 40k (total income of 80k) still be entitled to CB's and another couple where there is only a single income of 45K not be entitled :err:

Apparently its too expensive to calculate joint income.

I still don't know how this ruling is going to apply to split families. AFAIK the ruling today is that one of the parents gets to claim the benefit. Does this ruling mean mean that if the other parent who is no longer living there earns over £44k then the person who the kids actually live with can no longer claim ?
 
Apparently its too expensive to calculate joint income.

I still don't know how this ruling is going to apply to split families. AFAIK the ruling today is that one of the parents gets to claim the benefit. Does this ruling mean mean that if the other parent who is no longer living there earns over £44k then the person who the kids actually live with can no longer claim ?

also my other thought is if you are if your on the 44k income and just come into the higher tax band you may as well be better off asking your employer for a pay cut to £43,999
 
Never claimed it for my young one and don't earn £44,000 a year, you want kids you pay for them, scrap it.
Is Child Benefit the current name for Family Allowance? Is this not paid automatically?
Not sure if i'm reading this right but how can a couple both earning 40k (total income of 80k) still be entitled to CB's and another couple where there is only a single income of 45K not be entitled :err:
According to the article, it's to avoid having to implement means testing (read as to avoid having to employ people to do the means testing).
 
Pity you don't feel the same way about your Debts. ;)

:banana:

Same could be said for you nicking your tv subscription scrounging benefit’s, flogging copied games and porn at the car boot, people in glass houses.
 
i think it is pathetic that families rely on social security when they are on combined incomes of over £40k

me & the partner were both low income earners before being made redundant and we got FA in benefits then

like the public sectors workers in Birmingham moaning about cuts [yesterday] - well i was made redundant over 18 months ago and have been doing crappy part time jobs - these public sector staff dont realise how easy they get it
 
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