Big Brother is watching you

[fred]

On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
@privacy.net "me M Pitt" wrote:

> On 13/07/2004 21:35:07, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, fred licked
> his pencil and scribbled in message
> <news:[email protected]>
> > If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
> > car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
> > system and sent off to the police computer.
> >
> > This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
> > have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
> > the movements of every car in Britain.
>
> This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
> mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
> passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
> simple surveillance or road tolls.

So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
movements of trade unionists then.

--
ô
õçîd

 

[fred]

On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
@privacy.net "me M Pitt" wrote:

> On 13/07/2004 21:35:07, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, fred licked
> his pencil and scribbled in message
> <news:[email protected]>
> > If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
> > car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
> > system and sent off to the police computer.
> >
> > This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
> > have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
> > the movements of every car in Britain.
>
> This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
> mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
> passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
> simple surveillance or road tolls.

So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
movements of trade unionists then.

--
ô
õçîd

 

[fred]

On Wednesday, in article
<[email protected]> [email protected]
"martin" wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:07 +0100, [email protected] (fred)
> wrote:
>
> >If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
> >car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
> >system and sent off to the police computer.
> >
> >This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
> >have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
> >the movements of every car in Britain.
>
> That should keep them busy if it's true
>
> They are doing the same in the Netherlands, it's to stop people
> filling their tanks and pissing off without paying. In fact the
> initiative is from the petrol companies and the info is only sent to
> the police in the case of a customer pissing off without paying.

In the British system every number is sent to the police.

CCTV would be just as effective against people who don't pay.

--
ô
õçîd

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:45:06 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:

| On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
| @privacy.net "me M Pitt" wrote:
|
| > On 13/07/2004 21:35:07, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, fred licked
| > his pencil and scribbled in message
| > <news:[email protected]>
| > > If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
| > > car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
| > > system and sent off to the police computer.
| > >
| > > This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
| > > have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
| > > the movements of every car in Britain.
| >
| > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
| > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
| > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
| > simple surveillance or road tolls.
|
| So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
| movements of trade unionists then.

You are both just paranoid.

So what! When I was Office Committee Chairman of Tass at Lucas Aerospace,
and a member of the Lucas Aerospace Joint Trade Union Committee, I
undoubtedly had at least two MI5 files. These never caused me any
problems, I had no problems whatsoever handleing Secret documents, apart
from returning them to Office Services at night to be locked up. Lucas
knew what I was doing and, sort of, approved. Anyone else could have
found what I was doing with minimal effort.

I did however know some who were intent on destroying the UK as we knew it,
and turning it into a Stalinist Communist country. Tracking them would
have been a very good idea.

Dave F

 

[Ollie Clark]

fred wrote:
> On Wednesday, in article
> <[email protected]> [email protected]
> "martin" wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:07 +0100, [email protected] (fred)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
>> >car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
>> >system and sent off to the police computer.
>> >
>> >This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
>> >have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
>> >the movements of every car in Britain.
>>
>> That should keep them busy if it's true
>>
>> They are doing the same in the Netherlands, it's to stop people
>> filling their tanks and pissing off without paying. In fact the
>> initiative is from the petrol companies and the info is only sent to
>> the police in the case of a customer pissing off without paying.
>
> In the British system every number is sent to the police.
>
> CCTV would be just as effective against people who don't pay.

Not as efficient though. It would involve someone going through the tape
to find the car that had driven off. It probably costs more in time than
the fuel is worth.

This system has been in place at (some) motorway filling stations for a
while now. I wonder if you could confuse the system by driving through the
same petrol station a few times.

--
"Fighting terrorists with a military invasion is like trying to kill
a bee by shooting its beehive with a shotgun." - Anonymous, USENET
http://www.ollieclark.com/acronyms.html

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:55:10 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:

| On Wednesday, in article
| <[email protected]> [email protected]
| "martin" wrote:
|
| > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:07 +0100, [email protected] (fred)
| > wrote:
| >
| > >If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
| > >car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
| > >system and sent off to the police computer.
| > >
| > >This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
| > >have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
| > >the movements of every car in Britain.
| >
| > That should keep them busy if it's true
| >
| > They are doing the same in the Netherlands, it's to stop people
| > filling their tanks and pissing off without paying. In fact the
| > initiative is from the petrol companies and the info is only sent to
| > the police in the case of a customer pissing off without paying.
|
| In the British system every number is sent to the police.

Not True! The petrol stations only dial 999 if they choose.

You can not even watch TV and remember what it said. Shame really :-(

Dave F

 

[fred]

On Wednesday, in article
<[email protected]> [email protected]
"martin" wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:07 +0100, [email protected] (fred)
> wrote:
>
> >If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
> >car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
> >system and sent off to the police computer.
> >
> >This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
> >have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
> >the movements of every car in Britain.
>
> That should keep them busy if it's true
>
> They are doing the same in the Netherlands, it's to stop people
> filling their tanks and pissing off without paying. In fact the
> initiative is from the petrol companies and the info is only sent to
> the police in the case of a customer pissing off without paying.

In the British system every number is sent to the police.

CCTV would be just as effective against people who don't pay.

--
ô
õçîd

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:45:06 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:

| On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
| @privacy.net "me M Pitt" wrote:
|
| > On 13/07/2004 21:35:07, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, fred licked
| > his pencil and scribbled in message
| > <news:[email protected]>
| > > If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
| > > car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
| > > system and sent off to the police computer.
| > >
| > > This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
| > > have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
| > > the movements of every car in Britain.
| >
| > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
| > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
| > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
| > simple surveillance or road tolls.
|
| So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
| movements of trade unionists then.

You are both just paranoid.

So what! When I was Office Committee Chairman of Tass at Lucas Aerospace,
and a member of the Lucas Aerospace Joint Trade Union Committee, I
undoubtedly had at least two MI5 files. These never caused me any
problems, I had no problems whatsoever handleing Secret documents, apart
from returning them to Office Services at night to be locked up. Lucas
knew what I was doing and, sort of, approved. Anyone else could have
found what I was doing with minimal effort.

I did however know some who were intent on destroying the UK as we knew it,
and turning it into a Stalinist Communist country. Tracking them would
have been a very good idea.

Dave F

 

[Ollie Clark]

fred wrote:
> On Wednesday, in article
> <[email protected]> [email protected]
> "martin" wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:07 +0100, [email protected] (fred)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
>> >car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
>> >system and sent off to the police computer.
>> >
>> >This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
>> >have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
>> >the movements of every car in Britain.
>>
>> That should keep them busy if it's true
>>
>> They are doing the same in the Netherlands, it's to stop people
>> filling their tanks and pissing off without paying. In fact the
>> initiative is from the petrol companies and the info is only sent to
>> the police in the case of a customer pissing off without paying.
>
> In the British system every number is sent to the police.
>
> CCTV would be just as effective against people who don't pay.

Not as efficient though. It would involve someone going through the tape
to find the car that had driven off. It probably costs more in time than
the fuel is worth.

This system has been in place at (some) motorway filling stations for a
while now. I wonder if you could confuse the system by driving through the
same petrol station a few times.

--
"Fighting terrorists with a military invasion is like trying to kill
a bee by shooting its beehive with a shotgun." - Anonymous, USENET
http://www.ollieclark.com/acronyms.html

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:55:10 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:

| On Wednesday, in article
| <[email protected]> [email protected]
| "martin" wrote:
|
| > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:07 +0100, [email protected] (fred)
| > wrote:
| >
| > >If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
| > >car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
| > >system and sent off to the police computer.
| > >
| > >This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
| > >have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
| > >the movements of every car in Britain.
| >
| > That should keep them busy if it's true
| >
| > They are doing the same in the Netherlands, it's to stop people
| > filling their tanks and pissing off without paying. In fact the
| > initiative is from the petrol companies and the info is only sent to
| > the police in the case of a customer pissing off without paying.
|
| In the British system every number is sent to the police.

Not True! The petrol stations only dial 999 if they choose.

You can not even watch TV and remember what it said. Shame really :-(

Dave F

 

[fred]

On Wednesday, in article
<[email protected]> [email protected]
"martin" wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:07 +0100, [email protected] (fred)
> wrote:
>
> >If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
> >car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
> >system and sent off to the police computer.
> >
> >This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
> >have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
> >the movements of every car in Britain.
>
> That should keep them busy if it's true
>
> They are doing the same in the Netherlands, it's to stop people
> filling their tanks and pissing off without paying. In fact the
> initiative is from the petrol companies and the info is only sent to
> the police in the case of a customer pissing off without paying.

In the British system every number is sent to the police.

CCTV would be just as effective against people who don't pay.

--
ô
õçîd

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:45:06 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:

| On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
| @privacy.net "me M Pitt" wrote:
|
| > On 13/07/2004 21:35:07, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, fred licked
| > his pencil and scribbled in message
| > <news:[email protected]>
| > > If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
| > > car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
| > > system and sent off to the police computer.
| > >
| > > This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
| > > have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
| > > the movements of every car in Britain.
| >
| > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
| > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
| > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
| > simple surveillance or road tolls.
|
| So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
| movements of trade unionists then.

You are both just paranoid.

So what! When I was Office Committee Chairman of Tass at Lucas Aerospace,
and a member of the Lucas Aerospace Joint Trade Union Committee, I
undoubtedly had at least two MI5 files. These never caused me any
problems, I had no problems whatsoever handleing Secret documents, apart
from returning them to Office Services at night to be locked up. Lucas
knew what I was doing and, sort of, approved. Anyone else could have
found what I was doing with minimal effort.

I did however know some who were intent on destroying the UK as we knew it,
and turning it into a Stalinist Communist country. Tracking them would
have been a very good idea.

Dave F

 

[Ollie Clark]

fred wrote:
> On Wednesday, in article
> <[email protected]> [email protected]
> "martin" wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:07 +0100, [email protected] (fred)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
>> >car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
>> >system and sent off to the police computer.
>> >
>> >This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
>> >have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
>> >the movements of every car in Britain.
>>
>> That should keep them busy if it's true
>>
>> They are doing the same in the Netherlands, it's to stop people
>> filling their tanks and pissing off without paying. In fact the
>> initiative is from the petrol companies and the info is only sent to
>> the police in the case of a customer pissing off without paying.
>
> In the British system every number is sent to the police.
>
> CCTV would be just as effective against people who don't pay.

Not as efficient though. It would involve someone going through the tape
to find the car that had driven off. It probably costs more in time than
the fuel is worth.

This system has been in place at (some) motorway filling stations for a
while now. I wonder if you could confuse the system by driving through the
same petrol station a few times.

--
"Fighting terrorists with a military invasion is like trying to kill
a bee by shooting its beehive with a shotgun." - Anonymous, USENET
http://www.ollieclark.com/acronyms.html

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:55:10 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:

| On Wednesday, in article
| <[email protected]> [email protected]
| "martin" wrote:
|
| > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:07 +0100, [email protected] (fred)
| > wrote:
| >
| > >If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
| > >car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
| > >system and sent off to the police computer.
| > >
| > >This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
| > >have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
| > >the movements of every car in Britain.
| >
| > That should keep them busy if it's true
| >
| > They are doing the same in the Netherlands, it's to stop people
| > filling their tanks and pissing off without paying. In fact the
| > initiative is from the petrol companies and the info is only sent to
| > the police in the case of a customer pissing off without paying.
|
| In the British system every number is sent to the police.

Not True! The petrol stations only dial 999 if they choose.

You can not even watch TV and remember what it said. Shame really :-(

Dave F

 

[fred]

On Wednesday, in article
<[email protected]> [email protected]
"martin" wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:07 +0100, [email protected] (fred)
> wrote:
>
> >If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
> >car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
> >system and sent off to the police computer.
> >
> >This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
> >have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
> >the movements of every car in Britain.
>
> That should keep them busy if it's true
>
> They are doing the same in the Netherlands, it's to stop people
> filling their tanks and pissing off without paying. In fact the
> initiative is from the petrol companies and the info is only sent to
> the police in the case of a customer pissing off without paying.

In the British system every number is sent to the police.

CCTV would be just as effective against people who don't pay.

--
ô
õçîd

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:45:06 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:

| On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
| @privacy.net "me M Pitt" wrote:
|
| > On 13/07/2004 21:35:07, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, fred licked
| > his pencil and scribbled in message
| > <news:[email protected]>
| > > If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
| > > car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
| > > system and sent off to the police computer.
| > >
| > > This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
| > > have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
| > > the movements of every car in Britain.
| >
| > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
| > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
| > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
| > simple surveillance or road tolls.
|
| So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
| movements of trade unionists then.

You are both just paranoid.

So what! When I was Office Committee Chairman of Tass at Lucas Aerospace,
and a member of the Lucas Aerospace Joint Trade Union Committee, I
undoubtedly had at least two MI5 files. These never caused me any
problems, I had no problems whatsoever handleing Secret documents, apart
from returning them to Office Services at night to be locked up. Lucas
knew what I was doing and, sort of, approved. Anyone else could have
found what I was doing with minimal effort.

I did however know some who were intent on destroying the UK as we knew it,
and turning it into a Stalinist Communist country. Tracking them would
have been a very good idea.

Dave F

 

[Ollie Clark]

fred wrote:
> On Wednesday, in article
> <[email protected]> [email protected]
> "martin" wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:07 +0100, [email protected] (fred)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
>> >car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
>> >system and sent off to the police computer.
>> >
>> >This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
>> >have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
>> >the movements of every car in Britain.
>>
>> That should keep them busy if it's true
>>
>> They are doing the same in the Netherlands, it's to stop people
>> filling their tanks and pissing off without paying. In fact the
>> initiative is from the petrol companies and the info is only sent to
>> the police in the case of a customer pissing off without paying.
>
> In the British system every number is sent to the police.
>
> CCTV would be just as effective against people who don't pay.

Not as efficient though. It would involve someone going through the tape
to find the car that had driven off. It probably costs more in time than
the fuel is worth.

This system has been in place at (some) motorway filling stations for a
while now. I wonder if you could confuse the system by driving through the
same petrol station a few times.

--
"Fighting terrorists with a military invasion is like trying to kill
a bee by shooting its beehive with a shotgun." - Anonymous, USENET
http://www.ollieclark.com/acronyms.html

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:55:10 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:

| On Wednesday, in article
| <[email protected]> [email protected]
| "martin" wrote:
|
| > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:07 +0100, [email protected] (fred)
| > wrote:
| >
| > >If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
| > >car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
| > >system and sent off to the police computer.
| > >
| > >This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
| > >have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
| > >the movements of every car in Britain.
| >
| > That should keep them busy if it's true
| >
| > They are doing the same in the Netherlands, it's to stop people
| > filling their tanks and pissing off without paying. In fact the
| > initiative is from the petrol companies and the info is only sent to
| > the police in the case of a customer pissing off without paying.
|
| In the British system every number is sent to the police.

Not True! The petrol stations only dial 999 if they choose.

You can not even watch TV and remember what it said. Shame really :-(

Dave F

 

[fred]

On Wednesday, in article
<[email protected]> [email protected]
"martin" wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:07 +0100, [email protected] (fred)
> wrote:
>
> >If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
> >car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
> >system and sent off to the police computer.
> >
> >This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
> >have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
> >the movements of every car in Britain.
>
> That should keep them busy if it's true
>
> They are doing the same in the Netherlands, it's to stop people
> filling their tanks and pissing off without paying. In fact the
> initiative is from the petrol companies and the info is only sent to
> the police in the case of a customer pissing off without paying.

In the British system every number is sent to the police.

CCTV would be just as effective against people who don't pay.

--
ô
õçîd

 

[Dave Fawthrop]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:45:06 +0100, [email protected] (fred) wrote:

| On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
| @privacy.net "me M Pitt" wrote:
|
| > On 13/07/2004 21:35:07, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, fred licked
| > his pencil and scribbled in message
| > <news:[email protected]>
| > > If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
| > > car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate recognition
| > > system and sent off to the police computer.
| > >
| > > This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police could
| > > have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and record
| > > the movements of every car in Britain.
| >
| > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
| > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
| > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
| > simple surveillance or road tolls.
|
| So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
| movements of trade unionists then.

You are both just paranoid.

So what! When I was Office Committee Chairman of Tass at Lucas Aerospace,
and a member of the Lucas Aerospace Joint Trade Union Committee, I
undoubtedly had at least two MI5 files. These never caused me any
problems, I had no problems whatsoever handleing Secret documents, apart
from returning them to Office Services at night to be locked up. Lucas
knew what I was doing and, sort of, approved. Anyone else could have
found what I was doing with minimal effort.

I did however know some who were intent on destroying the UK as we knew it,
and turning it into a Stalinist Communist country. Tracking them would
have been a very good idea.

Dave F