Big Brother is watching you

[Mark]

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> They hack into the police national computer to get the information on
> cars involved in crime do they Dave, I think plod would have something
> to say about that because I don't think they give out that info., even
> to Mega-Rich multinationals, erm, erm........
>
No need, for a very modest fee, they can contact DVLA and get vehicle
keeper details provided by them.

 

[Mike Swift]

In article <[email protected]>, Mark
<[email protected]> writes
>> They hack into the police national computer to get the information on
>> cars involved in crime do they Dave, I think plod would have something
>> to say about that because I don't think they give out that info., even
>> to Mega-Rich multinationals, erm, erm........
>>
>No need, for a very modest fee, they can contact DVLA and get vehicle
>keeper details provided by them.

You surprise and shock me, what next, slip plod a few quid and get the
criminal record of your next door neighbour.

Mike

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange
'46 M Y++ L+ U KQ+ c B+ P99S P00S p+ Sh++ S(BAR) R(HD5)

 

[John Bean]

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:05:06 +0100, Mike Swift wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Mark
> <[email protected]> writes
>>> They hack into the police national computer to get the information on
>>> cars involved in crime do they Dave, I think plod would have something
>>> to say about that because I don't think they give out that info., even
>>> to Mega-Rich multinationals, erm, erm........
>>>
>>No need, for a very modest fee, they can contact DVLA and get vehicle
>>keeper details provided by them.
>
> You surprise and shock me, what next, slip plod a few quid and get the
> criminal record of your next door neighbour.

You can already do that, but maybe the accounting needs formalising a bit.

--
John Bean

Electricity is actually made up of extremely tiny particles called
electrons, that you cannot see with the naked eye unless you have been
drinking (Dave Barry)

 

[Mark]

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> They hack into the police national computer to get the information on
> cars involved in crime do they Dave, I think plod would have something
> to say about that because I don't think they give out that info., even
> to Mega-Rich multinationals, erm, erm........
>
No need, for a very modest fee, they can contact DVLA and get vehicle
keeper details provided by them.

 

[Mike Swift]

In article <[email protected]>, Mark
<[email protected]> writes
>> They hack into the police national computer to get the information on
>> cars involved in crime do they Dave, I think plod would have something
>> to say about that because I don't think they give out that info., even
>> to Mega-Rich multinationals, erm, erm........
>>
>No need, for a very modest fee, they can contact DVLA and get vehicle
>keeper details provided by them.

You surprise and shock me, what next, slip plod a few quid and get the
criminal record of your next door neighbour.

Mike

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange
'46 M Y++ L+ U KQ+ c B+ P99S P00S p+ Sh++ S(BAR) R(HD5)

 

[John Bean]

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:05:06 +0100, Mike Swift wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Mark
> <[email protected]> writes
>>> They hack into the police national computer to get the information on
>>> cars involved in crime do they Dave, I think plod would have something
>>> to say about that because I don't think they give out that info., even
>>> to Mega-Rich multinationals, erm, erm........
>>>
>>No need, for a very modest fee, they can contact DVLA and get vehicle
>>keeper details provided by them.
>
> You surprise and shock me, what next, slip plod a few quid and get the
> criminal record of your next door neighbour.

You can already do that, but maybe the accounting needs formalising a bit.

--
John Bean

Electricity is actually made up of extremely tiny particles called
electrons, that you cannot see with the naked eye unless you have been
drinking (Dave Barry)

 

[Pilgrim]

"fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
> @privacy.net "me M Pitt" wrote:
>
> > On 13/07/2004 21:35:07, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, fred licked
> > his pencil and scribbled in message
> > <news:[email protected]>
> > > If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
> > > car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate
recognition
> > > system and sent off to the police computer.
> > >
> > > This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police
could
> > > have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and
record
> > > the movements of every car in Britain.
> >
> > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
> > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
> > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
> > simple surveillance or road tolls.
>
> So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
> movements of trade unionists then.

This government uses it to monitor and control the movements of the entire
population.

--
Pilgrim

 

[Mike Swift]

In article <[email protected]>, Pilgrim
<[email protected]> writes
>> > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
>> > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
>> > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
>> > simple surveillance or road tolls.
>>
>> So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
>> movements of trade unionists then.
>
>This government uses it to monitor and control the movements of the
>entire population.

Article in today's Sunday Times on how the government is to set up a
database for *every* child in Britain.

They will be given a number, it's not yet clear if this will be tattooed
on the arm at birth, and will contain such information as medical and
educational records and information about any relatives who are a bit
'dodgy', the definition of 'dodgy' also hasn't been defined.

Be Afraid, Be Very, Very Afraid, 1984 is alive and kicking and only 20
years late.

Mike

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange
'46 M Y++ L+ U KQ+ c B+ P99S P00S p+ Sh++ S(BAR) R(HD5)

 

[Pilgrim]

"fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
> @privacy.net "me M Pitt" wrote:
>
> > On 13/07/2004 21:35:07, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, fred licked
> > his pencil and scribbled in message
> > <news:[email protected]>
> > > If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
> > > car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate
recognition
> > > system and sent off to the police computer.
> > >
> > > This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police
could
> > > have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and
record
> > > the movements of every car in Britain.
> >
> > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
> > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
> > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
> > simple surveillance or road tolls.
>
> So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
> movements of trade unionists then.

This government uses it to monitor and control the movements of the entire
population.

--
Pilgrim

 

[Mike Swift]

In article <[email protected]>, Pilgrim
<[email protected]> writes
>> > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
>> > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
>> > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
>> > simple surveillance or road tolls.
>>
>> So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
>> movements of trade unionists then.
>
>This government uses it to monitor and control the movements of the
>entire population.

Article in today's Sunday Times on how the government is to set up a
database for *every* child in Britain.

They will be given a number, it's not yet clear if this will be tattooed
on the arm at birth, and will contain such information as medical and
educational records and information about any relatives who are a bit
'dodgy', the definition of 'dodgy' also hasn't been defined.

Be Afraid, Be Very, Very Afraid, 1984 is alive and kicking and only 20
years late.

Mike

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange
'46 M Y++ L+ U KQ+ c B+ P99S P00S p+ Sh++ S(BAR) R(HD5)

 

[Pilgrim]

"fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
> @privacy.net "me M Pitt" wrote:
>
> > On 13/07/2004 21:35:07, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, fred licked
> > his pencil and scribbled in message
> > <news:[email protected]>
> > > If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
> > > car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate
recognition
> > > system and sent off to the police computer.
> > >
> > > This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police
could
> > > have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and
record
> > > the movements of every car in Britain.
> >
> > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
> > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
> > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
> > simple surveillance or road tolls.
>
> So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
> movements of trade unionists then.

This government uses it to monitor and control the movements of the entire
population.

--
Pilgrim

 

[Mike Swift]

In article <[email protected]>, Pilgrim
<[email protected]> writes
>> > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
>> > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
>> > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
>> > simple surveillance or road tolls.
>>
>> So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
>> movements of trade unionists then.
>
>This government uses it to monitor and control the movements of the
>entire population.

Article in today's Sunday Times on how the government is to set up a
database for *every* child in Britain.

They will be given a number, it's not yet clear if this will be tattooed
on the arm at birth, and will contain such information as medical and
educational records and information about any relatives who are a bit
'dodgy', the definition of 'dodgy' also hasn't been defined.

Be Afraid, Be Very, Very Afraid, 1984 is alive and kicking and only 20
years late.

Mike

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange
'46 M Y++ L+ U KQ+ c B+ P99S P00S p+ Sh++ S(BAR) R(HD5)

 

[Pilgrim]

"fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
> @privacy.net "me M Pitt" wrote:
>
> > On 13/07/2004 21:35:07, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, fred licked
> > his pencil and scribbled in message
> > <news:[email protected]>
> > > If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
> > > car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate
recognition
> > > system and sent off to the police computer.
> > >
> > > This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police
could
> > > have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and
record
> > > the movements of every car in Britain.
> >
> > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
> > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
> > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
> > simple surveillance or road tolls.
>
> So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
> movements of trade unionists then.

This government uses it to monitor and control the movements of the entire
population.

--
Pilgrim

 

[Mike Swift]

In article <[email protected]>, Pilgrim
<[email protected]> writes
>> > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
>> > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
>> > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
>> > simple surveillance or road tolls.
>>
>> So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
>> movements of trade unionists then.
>
>This government uses it to monitor and control the movements of the
>entire population.

Article in today's Sunday Times on how the government is to set up a
database for *every* child in Britain.

They will be given a number, it's not yet clear if this will be tattooed
on the arm at birth, and will contain such information as medical and
educational records and information about any relatives who are a bit
'dodgy', the definition of 'dodgy' also hasn't been defined.

Be Afraid, Be Very, Very Afraid, 1984 is alive and kicking and only 20
years late.

Mike

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange
'46 M Y++ L+ U KQ+ c B+ P99S P00S p+ Sh++ S(BAR) R(HD5)

 

[Pilgrim]

"fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
> @privacy.net "me M Pitt" wrote:
>
> > On 13/07/2004 21:35:07, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, fred licked
> > his pencil and scribbled in message
> > <news:[email protected]>
> > > If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
> > > car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate
recognition
> > > system and sent off to the police computer.
> > >
> > > This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police
could
> > > have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and
record
> > > the movements of every car in Britain.
> >
> > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
> > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
> > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
> > simple surveillance or road tolls.
>
> So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
> movements of trade unionists then.

This government uses it to monitor and control the movements of the entire
population.

--
Pilgrim

 

[Mike Swift]

In article <[email protected]>, Pilgrim
<[email protected]> writes
>> > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
>> > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
>> > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
>> > simple surveillance or road tolls.
>>
>> So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
>> movements of trade unionists then.
>
>This government uses it to monitor and control the movements of the
>entire population.

Article in today's Sunday Times on how the government is to set up a
database for *every* child in Britain.

They will be given a number, it's not yet clear if this will be tattooed
on the arm at birth, and will contain such information as medical and
educational records and information about any relatives who are a bit
'dodgy', the definition of 'dodgy' also hasn't been defined.

Be Afraid, Be Very, Very Afraid, 1984 is alive and kicking and only 20
years late.

Mike

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange
'46 M Y++ L+ U KQ+ c B+ P99S P00S p+ Sh++ S(BAR) R(HD5)

 

[Pilgrim]

"fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
> @privacy.net "me M Pitt" wrote:
>
> > On 13/07/2004 21:35:07, in uk.local.yorkshire.moderated, fred licked
> > his pencil and scribbled in message
> > <news:[email protected]>
> > > If you buy your petrol in Bradford then while you are filling up your
> > > car numberplate could be being read by a police numberplate
recognition
> > > system and sent off to the police computer.
> > >
> > > This is a pilot scheme being run in Bradford, eventually the police
could
> > > have machines in every filling station allowing them to track and
record
> > > the movements of every car in Britain.
> >
> > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
> > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
> > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
> > simple surveillance or road tolls.
>
> So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
> movements of trade unionists then.

This government uses it to monitor and control the movements of the entire
population.

--
Pilgrim

 

[Mike Swift]

In article <[email protected]>, Pilgrim
<[email protected]> writes
>> > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
>> > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
>> > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
>> > simple surveillance or road tolls.
>>
>> So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
>> movements of trade unionists then.
>
>This government uses it to monitor and control the movements of the
>entire population.

Article in today's Sunday Times on how the government is to set up a
database for *every* child in Britain.

They will be given a number, it's not yet clear if this will be tattooed
on the arm at birth, and will contain such information as medical and
educational records and information about any relatives who are a bit
'dodgy', the definition of 'dodgy' also hasn't been defined.

Be Afraid, Be Very, Very Afraid, 1984 is alive and kicking and only 20
years late.

Mike

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange
'46 M Y++ L+ U KQ+ c B+ P99S P00S p+ Sh++ S(BAR) R(HD5)

 

[Marcus Houlden]

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:40:07 +0100, Mike Swift <[email protected]>
wrote the following to uk.local.yorkshire.moderated:

> In article <[email protected]>, Pilgrim
><[email protected]> writes
>>> > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
>>> > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
>>> > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
>>> > simple surveillance or road tolls.
>>>
>>> So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
>>> movements of trade unionists then.
>>
>>This government uses it to monitor and control the movements of the
>>entire population.
>
> Article in today's Sunday Times on how the government is to set up a
> database for *every* child in Britain.

It seems *every* govt enquiry suggests setting up a new database. Are they
being lobbied by Oracle or something?

AFAICR, most data problems arise from people falling between so many
databases and data operators being given incorrect information about the
Data Protection Acts. I suppose it's easier to blame an act of parliament
than people who are supposed to provide accurate training. Even when there's
only one database, the govt gets it wrong. I still remember the time when
Virginia Bottomley launched the new NHS database and it told her that her
NHS number didn't exist. It seems the best option for the govt would be to
stop using databases as a panacea and get the processes right instead.

mh.
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[Marcus Houlden]

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:40:07 +0100, Mike Swift <[email protected]>
wrote the following to uk.local.yorkshire.moderated:

> In article <[email protected]>, Pilgrim
><[email protected]> writes
>>> > This is already a reality on the country's motorway network. Cameras
>>> > mounted alongside the roads can read your numberplate. This can be
>>> > passed to the Police for traffic monitoring, speed limit enforcement
>>> > simple surveillance or road tolls.
>>>
>>> So a right wing government could use it to monitor and control the
>>> movements of trade unionists then.
>>
>>This government uses it to monitor and control the movements of the
>>entire population.
>
> Article in today's Sunday Times on how the government is to set up a
> database for *every* child in Britain.

It seems *every* govt enquiry suggests setting up a new database. Are they
being lobbied by Oracle or something?

AFAICR, most data problems arise from people falling between so many
databases and data operators being given incorrect information about the
Data Protection Acts. I suppose it's easier to blame an act of parliament
than people who are supposed to provide accurate training. Even when there's
only one database, the govt gets it wrong. I still remember the time when
Virginia Bottomley launched the new NHS database and it told her that her
NHS number didn't exist. It seems the best option for the govt would be to
stop using databases as a panacea and get the processes right instead.

mh.
--
Reply-to address *is* valid.

Using Windows? Get the security update CD.
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