took this off another forum .worth a read
michael
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It has come to my attention that not everybody understands how important Nagrastar considers informants. I came to this conclusion from comments in another thread where someone commented that they didn't know or think that the providers needed people in this hobby to inform or rat on other people in this hobby.
Take the case of ROM 10X. Snags was brought down and served a lawsuit in large part thanks to a group of internet undercover pirates that monitor internet web and chat sites. This group is made up of former sat tv hackers from the DTV and early DN/Bell days. Ron Ereiser (well known sat tv pirate and dealer from Canada) has formed a company by the name of Global Encryption Services. This company does internet research for Nagrastar. Mr Ereiser has at least 2 employees that he pays roughly $4100 per month or $50,000 per year to surf the net and find information relating to satellite tv piracy. Those 2 employees are Chris Gurlinski and Tony Dionisi (aka Vettr). These people spend any where from 15 to 20 hours a week looking for information related to satellite tv piracy and those involved in the hobby. Between those 3 people alone that is 60 hours a week or 240 hours a month looking for information of satellite tv pirates. Just think of the amount of information that could be compiled by those 3 persons alone. I hardly doubt that Nagrastar is limited to those 3 people alone. In fact we know from the NDS trial transcripts that Kudelski (nagravision) monitors the web sites and sends daily reports to JJ Gee.
Global Encryption Services or GES as it is known was the ones who monitored ROM 10X and turned over the evidence and/or information on that site and on over 60 people from that site. Think about that 60 people. That is a considerable amount of information. That is only 1 site, imagine what other sites and lists of people these groups working for Nagrastar have also accumulated over time.
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Originally Posted by Ron Ereiser testimony
Q How many EchoStar pirates have you helped law enforcement prosecute as a result of your work?
A I couldn't tell you. We give information on people that we find on forms, businesses selling cards and stuff. What they do with it from there on in, I don't know.
Q So you're not aware and you cannot tell this jury of even one satellite pirate that has been prosecuted by law enforcement as a result of this reve
A No, but a great big Internet site was just taken down by the name of ROM 10-X. We gave a lot of information on over 60 people to JJ Gee about peopl
Q Let me try and ask my question again, Mr. Ereiser. You're not aware of any EchoStar pirates that have been prosecuted as a result of your reverse engineering.
A I know people that have been charged.
Q Anyone other than ROM 10-X?
A No. That was the biggest site so far
Q Earlier you testified when Mr. Snyder was asking you questions that Chris Gurlinski and Tony Dionisi were consultants of NagraStar. Do you recall that?
A Yes, I do.
Q Are you aware of NagraStar ever asking these consultants to commit acts of piracy?
A Sorry. Will you repeat that?
Q Yeah. You said that Gurlinski and Dionisi were consultants of NagraStar through your company, GES, correct?
A Yes
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Originally Posted by testimony of Tony Dionisi
Q Good afternoon, Mr. Dionisi. Thank you for coming down from Canada here to speak with us today. Can you tell the jury a little bit about yourself.
A I am from Toronto, Ontario, Canada; born and raised there. I am 43 years old. I currently work for two companies, Brentview Electronics and Global Encryption
Q And is Global Encryption Services -- is that long for GES?
A Yes.
Q And I think the other company you said you worked for was Brentview Electronics.
A Yes.
Q Can you tell the jury what you do for Brentview Electronics?
A I'm a custom home-theater installer.
Q And approximately how long have you held that position?
A It's a new job. I just started in January.
Q And your other position is with GES. Can you tell us what you do for GES? 8
A I do website research, gathering information related to satellite piracy.
Q Can you tell us generally the type of business GES is?
A Generally, we gather information regarding the current status of satellite piracy, current ongoing events, as well as different hardware devices an
Q Do you know who GES's clients are?
A The only one I know of right now is NagraStar.
Q So as part of your position, you do Internet research for piracy devices related to NagraStar's system?
A That's correct.
Q What did you do prior to going to work for GES
Q And on the occasions when you interacted with Mr. Menard, did he use an alias?
A Yes. Everyone used an alias on the Internet.
Q So you used one?
A That's correct.
Q What was the alias that you used?
A Vettr, V-e-t-t-r..
Q And you understood that Mr. Ereiser was willing to pay you to work at his company, GES?
A That's correct. He offered me a job.
Q And for that work you were paid how much per month?
A $4,160.
Q And you work about 15 hours a week?
A It varies from week to week. I would say 15 to 20 hours a week on average.
Q So if that's 20 hours a week or 80 hours a month, $4,160, what is that? about 60 bucks an hour?
A I have never tried to figure it out, but I'll take your word for it.
Q And what you do for that money is surf the internet; correct?
A Research, yes.
Q On the internet?
A That's correct.
michael
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It has come to my attention that not everybody understands how important Nagrastar considers informants. I came to this conclusion from comments in another thread where someone commented that they didn't know or think that the providers needed people in this hobby to inform or rat on other people in this hobby.
Take the case of ROM 10X. Snags was brought down and served a lawsuit in large part thanks to a group of internet undercover pirates that monitor internet web and chat sites. This group is made up of former sat tv hackers from the DTV and early DN/Bell days. Ron Ereiser (well known sat tv pirate and dealer from Canada) has formed a company by the name of Global Encryption Services. This company does internet research for Nagrastar. Mr Ereiser has at least 2 employees that he pays roughly $4100 per month or $50,000 per year to surf the net and find information relating to satellite tv piracy. Those 2 employees are Chris Gurlinski and Tony Dionisi (aka Vettr). These people spend any where from 15 to 20 hours a week looking for information related to satellite tv piracy and those involved in the hobby. Between those 3 people alone that is 60 hours a week or 240 hours a month looking for information of satellite tv pirates. Just think of the amount of information that could be compiled by those 3 persons alone. I hardly doubt that Nagrastar is limited to those 3 people alone. In fact we know from the NDS trial transcripts that Kudelski (nagravision) monitors the web sites and sends daily reports to JJ Gee.
Global Encryption Services or GES as it is known was the ones who monitored ROM 10X and turned over the evidence and/or information on that site and on over 60 people from that site. Think about that 60 people. That is a considerable amount of information. That is only 1 site, imagine what other sites and lists of people these groups working for Nagrastar have also accumulated over time.
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Originally Posted by Ron Ereiser testimony
Q How many EchoStar pirates have you helped law enforcement prosecute as a result of your work?
A I couldn't tell you. We give information on people that we find on forms, businesses selling cards and stuff. What they do with it from there on in, I don't know.
Q So you're not aware and you cannot tell this jury of even one satellite pirate that has been prosecuted by law enforcement as a result of this reve
A No, but a great big Internet site was just taken down by the name of ROM 10-X. We gave a lot of information on over 60 people to JJ Gee about peopl
Q Let me try and ask my question again, Mr. Ereiser. You're not aware of any EchoStar pirates that have been prosecuted as a result of your reverse engineering.
A I know people that have been charged.
Q Anyone other than ROM 10-X?
A No. That was the biggest site so far
Q Earlier you testified when Mr. Snyder was asking you questions that Chris Gurlinski and Tony Dionisi were consultants of NagraStar. Do you recall that?
A Yes, I do.
Q Are you aware of NagraStar ever asking these consultants to commit acts of piracy?
A Sorry. Will you repeat that?
Q Yeah. You said that Gurlinski and Dionisi were consultants of NagraStar through your company, GES, correct?
A Yes
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Originally Posted by testimony of Tony Dionisi
Q Good afternoon, Mr. Dionisi. Thank you for coming down from Canada here to speak with us today. Can you tell the jury a little bit about yourself.
A I am from Toronto, Ontario, Canada; born and raised there. I am 43 years old. I currently work for two companies, Brentview Electronics and Global Encryption
Q And is Global Encryption Services -- is that long for GES?
A Yes.
Q And I think the other company you said you worked for was Brentview Electronics.
A Yes.
Q Can you tell the jury what you do for Brentview Electronics?
A I'm a custom home-theater installer.
Q And approximately how long have you held that position?
A It's a new job. I just started in January.
Q And your other position is with GES. Can you tell us what you do for GES? 8
A I do website research, gathering information related to satellite piracy.
Q Can you tell us generally the type of business GES is?
A Generally, we gather information regarding the current status of satellite piracy, current ongoing events, as well as different hardware devices an
Q Do you know who GES's clients are?
A The only one I know of right now is NagraStar.
Q So as part of your position, you do Internet research for piracy devices related to NagraStar's system?
A That's correct.
Q What did you do prior to going to work for GES
Q And on the occasions when you interacted with Mr. Menard, did he use an alias?
A Yes. Everyone used an alias on the Internet.
Q So you used one?
A That's correct.
Q What was the alias that you used?
A Vettr, V-e-t-t-r..
Q And you understood that Mr. Ereiser was willing to pay you to work at his company, GES?
A That's correct. He offered me a job.
Q And for that work you were paid how much per month?
A $4,160.
Q And you work about 15 hours a week?
A It varies from week to week. I would say 15 to 20 hours a week on average.
Q So if that's 20 hours a week or 80 hours a month, $4,160, what is that? about 60 bucks an hour?
A I have never tried to figure it out, but I'll take your word for it.
Q And what you do for that money is surf the internet; correct?
A Research, yes.
Q On the internet?
A That's correct.
