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Is there anything we can do to stop this???
paraniod brain, that aimed at me is it?
your veiws of this country and my veiws are miles apart, people like you are the reason this country is in the state it is, just happy for this law to come in and that law to come in without a thought. if this was france we would be rioting now, over there it is as it should be, the goverments are scared of the people but over here too many sit and do nothing and let it go, the goverment is laughing its arse off over here because it knows it can do what it wants and no ones going to do anything about it.
remember the poll tax? the one time in recent history i can remember it kicking off, what happened? people power won the day and it was gone,
we need more action over here and less letting it go because it wont affect me attitudes.
not for one second did i say it wouldnt catch criminals either, dont think that i think its just a reason for the goverment to spy on me (im not paraniod), but with everyone of these passed it will eventually effect me or others. would i see it scapped so criminals get away? yes,why?.. because the real threats the goverment know who they are and are already monitoring them, and as you say if there not listening but only logging when and where a call was made what is the point in it? theres more to it believe me, what good are logs without listening? they already bug the know threats and log and listen to there calls, thats where the plot are captured, how you going to capture a criminal or worse a terrorist with logs? oh i know mr abdul who happens to nbe a muslim rings a warehouse for some immonia, end result he,ll get raided on suspsion of being a terrorist,or mr angry anti rings for some nails and a couple of plastic containers, he too will be raided for suspected bomb making you tell me that wont happen..and both the examples could be gulit free but that wont matter when there getting there doors kicked in, still believe it wont affect anyone? maybe not you but it will affect other, there,ll be trigger numbers like the software which used trigger words on the net, dont for a second believe its all above board hell this goverment lies to our face on day to day things, christ knows what else they get up to.
Very intresting..... and a damn bloody liberty if you ask me. I for one wont be using my landline or mobile for any calls now, i think i may just use a free voip from now on with a pre payed card.
karym6 said:sigh, this is only about phone records - with this level of detail it can be easily proved you were not guilty of comitting a crime as well as prove your guilt.
The goverment will not actually know what you say in your calls.
I dont care if the police want to check up on when I called my mum last if it means real criminals are dealt with.
i'v had it for months and have no idea if it's real.
Mmm, issued in 2011. Sounds pretty authentic to me! :Laugh:
- plus, ever heard of the "citizen card"?
it's a precursor to the id card for kids to get them used to it.
i dont believe in coincidences - they are just when government gets sloppy.
I actually have a citizen card, its for proof of age - not nefarious govermental schemes.
I got mine so that I could take domestic flights without a passport, and as I dont have a drivers license, I can use it as ID at the bank to prove who I am.
Its actually a very useful thing to have, especially for students etc (I got mine when I was a student). You can read about it here: http://www.citizencard.com/ - dont worry, no one will try and subvert you if you visit that page.
As far as a precursor to the ID card goes, it would be pretty lame as it doesnt really hold any data on you apart from your name and DOB. You need a reference to prove your name as well as a copy of your birth certificate but thats it.
And retailers asking for ID now in the supermarket? Maybe thats to enforce the over 18 smoking law as well as to enforce the over 18 alcohol law. Which, by definition, are both good things.
I am going to go out on a limb and say that the govrnment doesnt care if I bought some onions on the way home last night - and didnt show my ID card in the process
I actually have a citizen card, its for proof of age - not nefarious govermental schemes.)
for me its clear its not about terrorism.
this terrorism act will quash all of our freedoms eventually. Its not for our safety anymore.
I have said for years that the day will come when people will realize that the government is shafting them up the rear ! but reading this post i see its only a few people who have sussed it ? as you can see from the thanks ive given ! they are the people we need not the 1s who think its got to be ok because the government say so !! Also if you cannot remember the poll tax riots then you haven't really looked into how the government works properly as in my opinion this is part of our history and needs to be researched a bit before you can comment properly, not all of us have been brainwashed just yet " unlike most of the 16-20 year olds today who can only think about 'i pods and the best mobile phone to own' I am not accusing all the young people of this but most of them have suffered from a very sheltered and controlled environment while growing up in this country until now.
I think we need to make a stand AND QUICK otherwise we will all regret it very soon.evil:
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