Sensible Topic Scottish Independence worth £500

[kopernikus]

If the UK economy was based on banking and low-wage service industry today we would have been bust years ago. (comment by HimHer)

We are bust and we were bust years ago. If £400 pounds a day borrowing is not bust then tell me how much borrowing is bust?
Wages are so low in the UK that the government is subsidising low pay with tax credits and housing and other benefits. We need manufacturing and exports to work our way out of the debt spiral. To be honest, I am not knocking the UK as such, just stating my opinion based on information freely available on the web. Our current intake of career politicians are too busy squabbling about dogma to run the UK for the benefit of the electorate. They will have no problems when to UK goes t*ts up. They have their gold plated pensions and offshore saving to keep them safe. Whatever the refendum result is, I hope the UK government will start thinking about the Northern parts of the UK.

 

[Him Her]

If the UK economy was based on banking and low-wage service industry today we would have been bust years ago. (comment by HimHer)

We are bust and we were bust years ago. If £400 pounds a day borrowing is not bust then tell me how much borrowing is bust?
Wages are so low in the UK that the government is subsidising low pay with tax credits and housing and other benefits. We need manufacturing and exports to work our way out of the debt spiral. To be honest, I am not knocking the UK as such, just stating my opinion based on information freely available on the web. Our current intake of career politicians are too busy squabbling about dogma to run the UK for the benefit of the electorate. They will have no problems when to UK goes t*ts up. They have their gold plated pensions and offshore saving to keep them safe. Whatever the refendum result is, I hope the UK government will start thinking about the Northern parts of the UK.

You should have been a journalist with such a selective memory! I also pointed out that pretty much every country in the World is bust, the UK is less bust than others.

As for the make-up of the economy remember that the financial sector includes a lot more than banks and the service sector includes a lot more than McDonalds workers. Both make significant contributions and don't pay peanuts. That said, there is a lot of truth in your latest post.

On the bright side, manufacturing and exports are growing, albeit more slowly than many would like.

 

[kopernikus]

The service industry means just that. They, like the public and the civil service sectors are paid for by exports of goods and services from the private sector. ie/ banking, engineering, defence, technology etc etc. The difference between what we sell abroad plus what we collect in taxes and what we import is made up by borrowing astronomic amounts of dosh on the world market. I am not a journalist and I am not selective in my opinions. I just have around 76 years of experience of how this country has been reduced toamost third world status by our incompetent elected politicians.

Anyway, I don't want rub up you guys then wrong way, the forum is for sensible chat and I am only giving out a bit of banter.
At the end of the day Scotland will lie on the bed that the electorate decides for it. All I know is that the status quo is not very promising. What I cannot understand WHY the all the UK potlticians, big business and celebrities are so against a yes vote. ?

 

[Spectre]

The service industry means just that. They, like the public and the civil service sectors are paid for by exports of goods and services from the private sector. ie/ banking, engineering, defence, technology etc etc. The difference between what we sell abroad plus what we collect in taxes and what we import is made up by borrowing astronomic amounts of dosh on the world market. I am not a journalist and I am not selective in my opinions. I just have around 76 years of experience of how this country has been reduced toamost third world status by our incompetent elected politicians.

Anyway, I don't want rub up you guys then wrong way, the forum is for sensible chat and I am only giving out a bit of banter.
At the end of the day Scotland will lie on the bed that the electorate decides for it. All I know is that the status quo is not very promising. What I cannot understand WHY the all the UK potlticians, big business and celebrities are so against a yes vote. ?

I think the reduction of our country to a third-world status is on purpose. We generally all hate some politicians but they can't possibly all be this stupid so the only possible reason for the complete degradation of the UK must be that it is intended. Possibly EU wanting to level the standards of living across the board in true socialist fashion, bringing the top level down because it is easier than raising the lower.

There is a lot of civil servants in Scotland and I imagine that those jobs will have to be repatriated to England if Scotland gains independence. There must have been some deliberation on where to base what is in Faslane and although I don't know where it could go I think it would be relocated too, more jobs lost.

I watched the debate a couple of weeks ago but no-one seems to have a real plan and just waffled about ideals, like that green bloke. People talked about creating jobs in Scotland, doing what exactly?

 

[Him Her]

I said 'selective memory' M8 and I think we might actually agree, just expressing it slightly differently

 

[Spectre]

Futhermore, Scottish socialist wants to instate higher tax brackets. That never works. They will relocate, possibly to England, maybe taking their businesses with them.

Don't get me wrong, I want Scotland to go independent.

 

[Him Her]

Don't get me wrong, I want Scotland to go independent.

I'd much rather they scared the shoite out of some who need a good 'rattling'

 

[Spectre]

I'd much rather they scared the shoite out of some who need a good 'rattling'

Like some have said about a possible EU/UK "referendum", it will be made to look very close. I'd like to see the face on Milipede if they broke away though.

From a EU perspective, Scotland would be easier to absorb by itself and it is what Salmond wants anyway. More nibbling away and integrating into the EU superstate.

 

[Spectre]

Can anyone elaborate on these new Scottish jobs and new growth I heard about during this televised debate?

It's pretty much the same us the EU/UK thing, I don't want EU rule but we can't just magic up some jobs.

Want to downsize the forces to reduce costs? Who's going to protect your fishing waters?

 

[Him Her]

Can anyone elaborate on these new Scottish jobs and new growth I heard about during this televised debate?

Sky recruits 30 more journalists to discover exactly what Alex Salmond is doing with Nicola Sturgeon according to reports

Sorry, no source on that

 

[Spectre]

I can't remember what the programme was called but it was a couple of hours long. Maybe had Ruth Davidson on the panel but I can't remember the rest as they all seemed to be to the left of Lenin.

 

[Him Her]

She did this - [video]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-27840189[/video] - might help find what you refer to?

 

[Spectre]

She did this - [video]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-27840189[/video] - might help find what you refer to?

I'm surprised I can't find a full thing, it looked like a Quisling Time set . It was maybe over two hours and in late August.

 

[Spectre]

Hmm, Milipede gets tough on THAT border...

We'll put guards on Scottish border: Ed Miliband reveals incendiary plan as Yes camp leads for first time in shock new poll | Mail Online

Shame about Calais but I suppose it is easier for him to get tough on the Scottish border.

 

[danforth]

I'm surprised I can't find a full thing, it looked like a Quisling Time set . It was maybe over two hours and in late August.

I remember it, had an idea it was on ITV2, but I can't find it either. The setting looked like a small theatre, with about a hundred
"representative" tweedy types, and a handful of adolescents. It mainly covered old ground, and after a couple of advert breaks
I lost interest. There was mention of a conventional patrol fleet, to be based at Faslane, and to be built at a shipyard which was
about to close. How that would save the shipyard (after maybe a 2 years delay), or funded, was glossed over.

They all seemed to be in a Tony Benn type dream world, nothing you could really disagree with, except that it would never happen.

 

[Him Her]

Funny how crap floats the closer we get to 'D-Day'

 

[kopernikus]

I said 'selective memory' M8 and I think we might actually agree, just expressing it slightly differently

Thanks for that H. Great minds think....... and all that !

However, I just remembered a quote by Mark Twain.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"

 

[D 8 RCS]

One anomaly about the vote that I personally find rather incongruent is the fact that any person from the EU or any other foreigners living in Scotland at the moment have the right to vote, yet any Scots living anywhere else in the UK does not have the right to vote !!
After all, when you consider all possible ramifications that could happen should Scotland vote for Independence, it will have an affect on all of the Scots living in other parts of Britain other that Scotland and so they should of had the right to vote.
As I said earlier in this thread, an Independent Scotland will technically make every Scot living in England, Wales and Northern Ireland illegal immigrants.

 

[little_pob]

...As I said earlier in this thread, an Independent Scotland will technically make every Scot living in England, Wales and Northern Ireland illegal immigrants.

I was under the impression they'd be eligible for dual nationality?

Who will be eligible for Scottish citizenship on independence and in the future? | Yes Scotland

 

[D 8 RCS]

I was under the impression they'd be eligible for dual nationality?

Who will be eligible for Scottish citizenship on independence and in the future? | Yes Scotland

"Scottish born British citizens currently living outside of Scotland will also be considered Scottish citizens."
So a Scot living in England will be considered a Scottish Citizen.
"It will be for the rest of the UK to decide whether it allows dual UK/Scottish citizenship."
"the UK Government has said that “it is likely that it would be possible for an individual to hold both British and Scottish citizenship.”
So until or if the British/UK government decide that it is possible to hold both British and Scottish Citizenship, any Scots living in the UK will be Illegal Immigrants !!
As with the majority of Mr Salmond's rhetoric he has surmised Dual Citizenship to be the outcome for Scots living in the UK, if every statement of intention made by Mr Salmond that contained assumptions of what he expects the UK to accept were removed from his plans for the future, there would be very little to say and his policies would be printed on a pamphlet.