bally12345 said:What are you using? Try manually adding them...
nix9 said:@bally hmm it depends. It seems dvbviewer ripped off several pieces of software, but at least in theory it means they are all in one package
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Nick [D]vB said:BTW, did you manage to edit the PIDs and get the MHP plugin working OK?
Ok so whats best to use Media Portal or DVBviewer?
Could edit the PID's but couldn't get the plugin to work - the destination directory remains blank.
Any tips, or a walkthrough
Empty subfolders using the channel namesNick [D]vB said:The MHP plug-in is a bit hit and miss, is it creating empty sub-folders [using the channel name] or is it not creating anything at all?
So you have to tune with the plugin active? Just I can't tune in RH/SS with v3 or GE (not tried v2) and only TransEdit finds the stations (probably because they are defined as "data stations" and AFAICT the default in DVBv is not to find data stations.Try an older version of DVBViewer [v2 or GE], it also seems to depend on the instant the channel is tuned [where the DSMCC carousel is when its tuned] so try re-tuning the channel a few times.
I like DVBv as my general watching/recording software and was hoping I could do the dumping too (more for research than dumping for codes - to see sequences or potential developments in case there's a big change over SS's 30 min code change-over) - so if you could test that would be appreciatedI will do some more test when I get a minute, I have definitely been able to do RH dumps with it before but I can't remember exactly what I did now!
Empty subfolders using the channel names
So you have to tune with the plugin active?
Just I can't tune in RH/SS with v3 or GE (not tried v2) and only TransEdit finds the stations (probably because they are defined as "data stations" and AFAICT the default in DVBv is not to find data stations.
I like DVBv as my general watching/recording software and was hoping I could do the dumping too (more for research than dumping for codes - to see sequences or potential developments in case there's a big change over SS's 30 min code change-over) - so if you could test that would be appreciated
QVC? The shopping channel? You mean they have a MHEG stream so you can use that to test dumping? I get dumps from Sky Sports News - so I guess the plugin works, just not with RH/SSNick [D]vB said:Try giving it a bit more time, I get a full dump on QVC after about 3 minutes and on RH - but only before 11 - which is really doing my head in!
switch channels wait, switch channels wait, and eventually it might come? I assume you do this on unaltered PID's i.e still have blank screen. It may well be a quirk, especially if DVBv implementation dumps the initial stream on channel load especially if there is a slight delay in receiving the MHEG?Sorry I wasn't being clear, I don't mean re-scan, just switch between channels, it seems to help sometimes.
I'm sure a quirk of the UK's DSMCC system is stopping the plug-in from working, DC-DVB's parser needed re-writing for this reason.
I will upload some UK transport stream samples for Chris to look at and hopefully we'll get a fix soon.
Export works fine for me - you just need to have it in the same directory as your dvbviewer exe (I fell foul of this until I read the install page LOL)No that's right, I have to add them manually as well because I can't get transedit's export function to work.
It is nice - I was initially just going to run with GE as I purely want it to capture things occasionally (have a perfectly capable TV/STB near the PC already), but the main app wasn't as resource hungry as I expected and has some nice features (channel info OSD & "desktop wallpaper" mode).I really like DVBViewer, it's not half as bloated or buggy as other software and produces nice clean mpegs. I'll test the next SS game if I can,
They are obviously aware of the losses, hence changing every 30 mins (it's a compromise between making it easy for hackers with a single code and making it too hard for paying viewers by changing too often). It depends on whether they have included the loss-margin into their financial model, or intend to make the system secure as a higher priority over profits. After all there are more people with slotless boxes than TUTV-ready ones.I'm surprised it's taking them so long to move onto the smartcard. I know the pay as you go roll-out is taking longer than expected but maybe they just think they'll get more customers through the MHEG platform, despite any potential losess... :Laugh:
QVC? The shopping channel? You mean they have a MHEG stream so you can use that to test dumping?
switch channels wait, switch channels wait, and eventually it might come?
I assume you do this on unaltered PID's i.e still have blank screen.
It may well be a quirk, especially if DVBv implementation dumps the initial stream on channel load especially if there is a slight delay in receiving the MHEG?
Export works fine for me - you just need to have it in the same directory as your dvbviewer exe (I fell foul of this until I read the install page LOL)
It is nice - I was initially just going to run with GE as I purely want it to capture things occasionally (have a perfectly capable TV/STB near the PC already), but the main app wasn't as resource hungry as I expected and has some nice features (channel info OSD & "desktop wallpaper" mode).
They are obviously aware of the losses, hence changing every 30 mins (it's a compromise between making it easy for hackers with a single code and making it too hard for paying viewers by changing too often). It depends on whether they have included the loss-margin into their financial model, or intend to make the system secure as a higher priority over profits.
After all there are more people with slotless boxes than TUTV-ready ones. I would assume that they have modelled an uptake rate over which the service is profitable enough to carry on - if they are way above that with MHEG then the question is do they continue with the profitable model or go for the secure smartcard route that may not bring in the same level of revenue and have more set-up costs.
They need to factor the size of their market if they go the smartcard route - will people who have existing boxes and pay the £8 when they see a match is on, want to pay for a new box and possibly a subscription? After all wouldn't they already have gone for a $ky/cable sub if they were inclined to? I suppose if you look at the PAYG mobile phone model and a £30 (possibly upto £49) box/PAYG-card kit would work especially if ordering the games is as easy as topping up Sims (e.g. phone-shop-cashpoint options and the ability to buy a number of "game credits").
Of course, depending on how they implement the PAYG route. Mobiles work because you simply pop in a sim add credit and off you go - no subscribing, compulsory bank details, credit checks etc. Something similar may be needed if the PAYG is to work - being able to buy a card with "X games paid" on for birthdays, has potential, having one limited to the current Top-up TV register with bank details, OTA activation, and then when buying games having OTA activation and having to wait, may not. They are, after all, aiming to appeal to a "now" generation who like the option of paying for the game when they want to watch it, rather than someone judging the cost of games over a season and weighing up PAYG vs a paid $ky sub.
I have observed when the stream is checked/dumped - you'll see a green bar with "100" on it flash on screen. $kySN seems to dump fine - when I get the bar flashing with RH nothing is dumped. I too can get Red Hot dumps the off-air mheg screen (redhot.mheg, redhot.png, startup), just not after 11pm when its live.Nick [D]vB said:That seems to do the trick sometimes, I assume the plug-in is resetting and or receiving the data in an order it can process by fluke.
No guess not, it would be relatively trivial to set short validity periods for the automated call centre. Maybe its more to do with the MHEG refresh rate and avoiding paying users phoning up for a code to a viewerID that has just expired due to the change-over. It could also be because TUTV can only supply a maximum of 7 "new values" (x0-x6). LOLWhen I first heard about the keygen I was sure they were going to start rolling the codes every 5 minutes, I can't be that hard to automatically synchronize them with the call center, they don't seem to be that bothered about security...
A completely separate PAYG system? It doesn't seem to make sense, especially as I assume they'll still be keeping the existing system for paying subscribers.I have been told by TopUpTV customer services that all STB's & IDTVs using current TopUpTV CAMs and third party set-top decoders with embedded smartcard readers [X-OnDigital, Pace DTVA, NetGem I-Player+ etc…] will NOT work with the new pay as you go smartcards!
The crazy thing is the current TopUpTV SECA CAMs already have PPV capabilty but they will be releasing new pay as you go CAMs "at some point" in the new year and only “some” STBs will get the OTA update adding the pay as you go menu system. Why spend so much on rolling out a new system? It can't just be for SS but its not as if they carry any other premium content, movies would be an obvious payg fodder but TCM sucks and FilmFour is going FTA. Maybe they are hoping to magic-up some more bandwidth from somewhere???
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