i understand what your are saying but he is not giving me the card i have to order one from sky and say to them i have someone installing sky independently he never mentioned updating it,so thats my problem he fits dish and gives me hd box which he gets for cheap cheap i give him a big note for donig this and i have taken the sky card costing me £240 overthe 12 months and hes f k d off with my £100 i am left with £240 bill and basic package thats my worry