Children should not be given Tamiflu, Oxford researchers

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Children should not be given the antiviral drug Tamiflu for swine flu because its harms outweigh any benefits and the Government should review its policy on dealing with the pandemic, researchers have said.

Anti-viral drugs Tamiflu and Relenza, reduce the length of time children are ill with flu by about one day and can cause vomiting as a common side effect, Oxford researchers found.

Vomiting is more dangerous in children than in adults as it can rapidly lead to dehydration and admission to hospital, they said.

Also the drugs had little or no effect on asthma flare-ups, ear infections or the likelihood of a child needing antibiotics meaning on balance the medicine does more harm than good in otherwise healthy children, the authors said.

It comes after research last week showed that Tamiflu reduced the length of flu in adults by just half a day.

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Tamiflu side effects outweigh the benefits in most children, researchers warn. Photo: REUTERS


Together the findings will question whether the Government's policy of stockpiling enough antiviral drugs for 80 per cent of the population was a waste of money. The exact cost of the stockpile has been kept secret for 'commercial reasons' but is expected to run to tens of millions of pounds.

Countries around the world have stockpiled around 50m doses of Tamiflu, made by Roche, for use during a flu pandemic.

Tamiflu has also been linked to side effects such as insomnia and nightmares in children.

Dr Matthew Thompson, a GP and senior clinical scientist at Oxford University and Dr Carl Heneghan, a clinical lecturer at Oxford University, said the findings review of seven research studies should prompt the Department of Health to reconsider its policy.

The study, published online in the British Medical Journal, reviewed trials where children aged between one and 12 were either given Relenza or Tamiflu to treat seasonal flu or where one of their family had flu and they were given medicine to stop them becoming ill.

The researchers said although the studies were carried out on seasonal flu the findings are relevant to the current swine flu outbreak.

The drugs may still be of some benefit for children who have underlying conditions such as cystic fibrosis or whose immune system is compromised because they are being treated for leukaemia, for example, but there was not enough evidence to be conclusive about this, the researchers said.

Dr Thompson said the Government's current policy of giving Tamiflu to all symptomatic people was 'inappropriate'.

GPs are using their clinical judgement and providing anti-virals to severe cases of flu but the National Pandemic Flu Service is handing out the drugs to anyone who fits the criteria for having a flu-like illness. Data from the Health Protection Agency has suggested only one in four of those with symptoms will actually have swine flu.

The Flu Service handed out 150,000 doses of Tamiflu in its first week as cases peaked at around 110,000 in seven days.

Dr Thompson said: "Reserving these antiviral drugs for children who are more likely to have complications may be a more sensible strategy and would take some of the pressure off the current public demand for anti-virals."

Dr Heneghan warned that prescribing the drugs so widely will encourage flu to become resistant to the medicine.

He said: "Going forward we have a treatment which is ineffective because we've given it to everybody."

He also warned that people were relying on Tamiflu, 'like a magic bullet', and this meant that serious complications of swine flu could be dismissed in those on the drug.

Parents should treat flu in children with paracetamol and rest but watch carefully for complications and contact their GP if they are worried, the authors said.

The research trials which were reviewed have been available for over a year and the Government could have carried out its own study in this before the outbreak of swine flu began, they said.

The findings also showed that when using antiviral drugs in children who have been exposed to flu but do not yet have symptoms, as preventive treatment, they were of limited use. They found 13 children need to be treated to prevent one case, meaning onward transmission was only reduced by eight per cent.

Government data released on July 30th suggested that by then one in 77 children aged between one and four had already had swine flu along with one in 95 of those aged between four and 14.

Norman Lamb, Liberal Democrat health spokesman said: "An urgent review must be carried out into whether the benefits of prescribing certain antiviral drugs are worth the risks when it comes to our children’s health.

“Parents will now need urgent guidance and reassurance about what exactly they should be doing to look after their children. This is even more crucial given that health experts are predicting a surge in swine flu cases this autumn.”

A Department of Health spokesman said: "The BMJ review is based on seasonal flu and not swine flu. As the authors note, the extent to which the findings can be applied to the current pandemic is questionable - after all, we already know that swine flu behaves differently to seasonal flu, and past pandemics have hit younger people hardest.

"Whilst there is doubt about how swine flu affects children, we believe a safety-first approach of offering antivirals to everyone remains a sensible and responsible way forward. However, we will keep this policy under review as we learn more about the virus and its effects.

"For those who experience severe symptoms, the best scientific advice tells us that Tamiflu should still be taken as soon as possible - and to suggest otherwise is potentially dangerous.

"If people are in any doubt about whether to take Tamiflu, they should contact their GP."

The latest figures have suggested the first wave of the swine flu outbreak has peaked with officials saying around 30,000 new cases were diagnosed in the week ending August 1st but a second wave it still expected later in the autumn.

So far 36 people with swine flu have died.





By Rebecca Smith, Medical Editor
Published: 2:13PM BST 10 Aug 2009
Children should not be given Tamiflu, Oxford researchers - Telegraph
 
I agree.

Tamiflu is not the panacea people have made it out to be.

Not only that but I'll bet the pricks have named their price.

Vaccine and containment. I actually think the idea of keeping kids off school until October might be a good idea.
 
How do you know the vaccine is any better?

Untested and using the UK population as lab rats...think not.

You think the Tamiflu is bad for kids,wait till that little 'R&D' kicks in!

We should all worry, not just the kids!
 
The flu vaccine has been designed and refined for years, and this is just a slight modification.

If you knew anything about genetics you would not be worried.

Also, trials are under way, so we will not be used as 'lab rats'.

I don't think that Tamiflu is bad for anybody per se, just that it is not the best way of controlling the spread of the virus.
 
How do you know the vaccine is any better?

Untested and using the UK population as lab rats...think not.

You think the Tamiflu is bad for kids,wait till that little 'R&D' kicks in!

We should all worry, not just the kids!

I think mozr covered all the bases on that one.

Life's too short to be worried all the time. If you believe everything you read on the internet you'll lead a very miserable life.
 
The flu vaccine has been designed and refined for years, and this is just a slight modification.

If you knew anything about genetics you would not be worried.

Probably getting off topic but I was referring to the new swine flu vaccine that the government is set to role out.

Not worried? I would be very worried and have been dubious about these so-called new vaccines for years mate.

The biggest problem I have is the use of Squalene in most modern day vaccines.Squalene has been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time.

A 2000 study published in the American Journal of Pathology demonstrated a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” also known as rheumatoid arthritis.
Also,Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene.It was an unapproved ingredient in experimental anthrax vaccines and has since been linked to the devastating auto-immune diseases suffered by countless Gulf War vets.

Also there is the other chemical toxins in vaccines such as ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin.

Did you know that the Czech Government has come out and refused to sign a contract with Baxter AG for Swine Flu vaccine because the company was not willing to grant the security of the vaccine, nor was it willing to oblige itself for compensation liabilities due to side effects of the vaccine. They join Norway and New Zealand, who have opnely declared an independant inquiry and analysis of this vaccine material before proceeding with any form of mass inoculation.


There will simply not be enough trials before the swine-flu vaccine is given to know the long term consequences of this.

Each to their own I say but I won't be having it.
 
The whole Swine-Flu thing is rediculous.

It's been blown out of all proportion and how many people have lost their lives due to miss-diagnosis.
 
But its not going to stop the push for a national vaccination though.
 
i have 3 kids and i am so concerned about what is going to happen i know of someone who has swine flu and i never thought it would ever come this serious he has been in hospital for a few weeks and i really hope he gets well
 
i have 3 kids and i am so concerned about what is going to happen i know of someone who has swine flu and i never thought it would ever come this serious he has been in hospital for a few weeks and i really hope he gets well

you should be fine mate, its rare that some one gets it bad. The media dont help with it all over the Tv about doom and gloom tho.
 
And you do I take it? Explain Sqalene then?

Easy now, no need for a cheap shot. Everyone knows that squalene is an adjuvant.(Those who understand genetics, and those who can use Google.)

What is an adjuvant? etc. etc. etc.
 
i have 3 kids and i am so concerned about what is going to happen i know of someone who has swine flu and i never thought it would ever come this serious he has been in hospital for a few weeks and i really hope he gets well

As Rod said, don't worry about it fella it is very rare people get it that bad.
I have to take the flu jab every year as i have asthma but it's not something i worry about.
One of my mates at work had it and after a couple of days in bed with painkillers and plenty of fluids he was fine.
He said it didn't differ that much to normal flu.

The problem that i have with this whole situation is peoples understanding of what the flu actually is!
We have a girl at work who is a hypochondriac of the highest order and she also claimed to have swine flu.
We all told her that if she had the flu in any form that she would know about it all right as normal flu makes you feel like death warmed up.
There's far too many people who mistake a common cold for flu and have no idea what the flu entails.
 
swine flu is not the problem

anxiety / panic disorders are

and this tamiflu seriously fucks up your head
 
I put shark juice on my cornflakes.

Yum!
 
you have to remember a lot of people have had and haven't even known it was swine flu, just a normal seasonal cold / flu

it is the minority who suffer with problems who get secondary infections as a result of virus's such as chest infections tonsillitis
 
Easy now, no need for a cheap shot. Everyone knows that squalene is an adjuvant.(Those who understand genetics, and those who can use Google.)

What is an adjuvant? etc. etc. etc.

Squalene is a natural organic compound originally obtained for commercial purposes primarily from shark liver oil, though there are botanic sources as well, including amaranth seed, rice bran, wheat germ, and olives. All higher organisms produce squalene, including humans. It is a hydrocarbon and a triterpene.
Most modern vaccines also contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene.
The purpose of an immune adjuvant added to a vaccine is to enhance (turbo charge) your immune response to the vaccination. Adjuvants cause your immune system to overreact to the introduction of the organism you’re being vaccinated against,so basically the injected immune adjuvant,squalene,causes the body to seek out and destroy ALL the squalene in the body, even the stuff the body makes and is needed for proper health.

There is also substantial research into the dangerous effects of the immune adjuvent,squalene, which usually only show up around 5-7yrs after being injected.

Squalene has been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time.

A 2000 study published in the American Journal of Pathology demonstrated a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” also known as rheumatoid arthritis.
Also,Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene.It was an unapproved ingredient in experimental anthrax vaccines and has since been linked to the devastating auto-immune diseases suffered by countless Gulf War vets.

The above research can also be found using google mate.
 
Squalene is a natural organic compound originally obtained for commercial purposes primarily from shark liver oil, though there are botanic sources as well, including amaranth seed, rice bran, wheat germ, and olives. All higher organisms produce squalene, including humans. It is a hydrocarbon and a triterpene.
Most modern vaccines also contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene.
The purpose of an immune adjuvant added to a vaccine is to enhance (turbo charge) your immune response to the vaccination. Adjuvants cause your immune system to overreact to the introduction of the organism you’re being vaccinated against,so basically the injected immune adjuvant,squalene,causes the body to seek out and destroy ALL the squalene in the body, even the stuff the body makes and is needed for proper health.

There is also substantial research into the dangerous effects of the immune adjuvent,squalene, which usually only show up around 5-7yrs after being injected.

Squalene has been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time.

A 2000 study published in the American Journal of Pathology demonstrated a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” also known as rheumatoid arthritis.
Also,Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene.It was an unapproved ingredient in experimental anthrax vaccines and has since been linked to the devastating auto-immune diseases suffered by countless Gulf War vets.

The above research can also be found using google mate.

cheers, I thought it was a windolene knock off from Lidl :Dunce:
 
The above research can also be found using google mate.

:err:.....er, yes, you've just quoted a passage of text that can be found ,word for word, on Wikipedia and several other sites.


You've just agreed with my previous post. Either that, or you didn't understand it. :err:........or ..............I give up. :err:
 
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