Do we want a referendum?

So David Cameron is off on his little crusade to get us to vote for him, with pressure from UKIP he's made some bold statements.

EU aren't happy and call it "Cherry Picking"

Labour think it's the wrong.

i think we should have the choice to leave or stay personally i would leave but thats due to not knowing enough pro`s and cons as its a complex issue (migration euro grants and all the other stuff )

I'd leave the EU.

There was a link I was reading today. Now where is it? Looking... Here:

David Cameron wants the EU to become more British. Good luck with that – Telegraph Blogs

The EU is there to remove democracy in case us plebs decide we want the far right in like in 1930s Germany. Once they fill the UK with enough pro-EU voters we can never escape.

There are many reasons; undemocratic, unelected, corrupt (billions missing), the cost, loss of sovereignty, trade restrictions on other parts of the world...

Unfortunately, the BBC is an EU propaganda tool and that will be rolling out the brainwash to convince everyone that we would be doomed if we changed our relationship with the EU.

A Referendum is not legally binding so even if the vote is to leave the EU then the government does not have to comply with the vote.
Also because we have a Parliamentary sovereignty, even if the result of the Referendum was to leave the EU and it was implemented the next government can overturn the implementation.
So who knows, we may end up yo-yoing in and out of the EU !!

D 8 RCS said:

So who knows, we may end up yo-yoing in and out of the EU !!

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That could be worse! Generally, I'm in favour of AN EU, but this one isn't it. Some sensible reform could fix it though...

But from what i have heard he want the referendum after he gets in next time, well the $hit wont be getting my vote, but i do think we should pull out, its not done us any good all the time we been in it.

It is a very complicated costs issue, even after the rebate, but to quote UKIP's 2010 scary figures - the cost to Britain to be in the EU:


You can make excuses for some of it but let's face it, after hearing day after day about "the deficit" that we are all feeling........ wouldn't saving some of that money fill quite a gap?

EU accounts haven't been signed off for 18 years.

Last time we got more out than we put in was 1975, I think.

It's like someone and twenty-odd of his mates pooling their wages although they all earn different amounts, have different commitments and spend differently. Then every now and then someone comes along and gives him a bit of his wages back but tells him what it can be spent on. Socialism - redistribution of wealth, it's always good when you're the one with the least.

Spectre said:

EU accounts haven't been signed off for 18 years.

Last time we got more out than we put in was 1975, I think.

It's like someone and twenty-odd of his mates pooling their wages although they all earn different amounts, have different commitments and spend differently. Then every now and then someone comes along and gives him a bit of his wages back but tells him what it can be spent on. Socialism - redistribution of wealth, it's always good when you're the one with the least.

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Apparently the tories have reduced our deficit by 25% (if you read their propaganda)

I would love a referendum about staying in the EU, but i aint fkn voting tory to get one. they probably wouldn't do in the end anyway, they'd come up with some bullshit excuse why it wasn't possible.

Referendum will be no good after LibLabCon, big business (not small or medium business), half the media and assorted leftists have five years to brainwash the electorate. I bet EU immigrants get to vote as well, there will be some bye-law installed.

The fact that Angular Merkin endorses Scameron's speech tells me that it's a stitch-up:

"Chancellor Angela Merkel responded to Mr Cameron’s speech by opening the door to a renegotiation of Britain’s membership terms"

Yes, Prime Minister! Cameron's EU referendum unites Tories, delights business and even gets Germany side | Mail Online

If we get out of the EU we will save on all the subsidies that we pay into, we can stop migrants from the EU coming to Britain so saving huge amounts on benefits paid to many of those arriving here, especially with the expected influx of those from Romania and Bulgaria.
The NHS will make huge savings and can charge those from the EU who wish to have treatment in the UK.........whether it be at the GPs, the hospitals, dentists etc.
More housing will be available for those who were born here and for a change they will be the priority.
We will be able to deport those who deserve to be deported without being told we can't do that !
We can say to certain criminals in prison "What Human Rights ?" ........."Did you think about the Human Right of your Victims ?"
We can have naturally shaped and sized fruit and veg for sale and we can buy those fruit and veg by the pound again !
We can buy our fuel by the Gallon again, and see just how much we are being conned by the outrageous price increases. We will be able to work out how many miles to the gallon our cars are doing without trying to work out litres to gallons !
We Can Be BRITISH Again !!!!!!!!

D 8 RCS said:

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We will be able to deport those who deserve to be deported without being told we can't do that !
We can say to certain criminals in prison "What Human Rights ?" ........."Did you think about the Human Right of your Victims ?"

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no we wont that's the European court, nothing to do with the EU.
as even Cameron has pointed out time and time again.
its xenophobic drivel, not facts.

Its funny that most of the other countries in the EU seem to be doing fine....

Don't go blaming the EU for all of UK problems. Of course there are some things that need changing, CAP for example but in general leaving it is not going to solve UK problems.

The other issue that I see a lot of people complaining about is court of human rights which is not even part of the EU.

oneman said:

Its funny that most of the other countries in the EU seem to be doing fine....

Don't go blaming the EU for all of UK problems. Of course there are some things that need changing, CAP for example but in general leaving it is not going to solve UK problems.

The other issue that I see a lot of people complaining about is court of human rights which is not even part of the EU.

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True, most UK woes can be traced back to high levels of individual and national debt prior to the banking crisis which, in itself, was largely triggered by an abundance of toxic debt...

Firemouth said:

no we wont that's the European court, nothing to do with the EU.
as even Cameron has pointed out time and time again.
its xenophobic drivel, not facts.

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I concede that I am wrong about the Human Rights issue as the European Court of Justice and the European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU structure, but the similarities are there in that they cannot agree with one another.
However, "xenophobic drivel, not facts" ?
The fact is this country is heading towards collapse and another huge influx of migrants from Romania and Bulgaria will speed up that collapse. That has nothing to do with an unreasonable fear of foreigners, it is a financial fact.
Our benefits system struggles to prove abuse by people born here, so will find to nigh on impossible to trace abuse by people from within the EU.

D 8 RCS said:

I concede that I am wrong about the Human Rights issue as the European Court of Justice and the European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU structure, but the similarities are there in that they cannot agree with one another.

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There is now a link in that countries can't join the EU without subscribing to the ECHR.

"The ECHR is part and parcel of membership of the EU. You cannot have one without another."

i dont know enough about the pros an cons, will it benefit the average joe of being in,out or whatever they plan, which is what i need to know to make a decision,, I wont vote for the conservatives or lib dem at next election just to get the chance to decide, good try Cameron, Twat

D 8 RCS said:

I concede that I am wrong about the Human Rights issue as the European Court of Justice and the European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU structure, but the similarities are there in that they cannot agree with one another.
However, "xenophobic drivel, not facts" ?
The fact is this country is heading towards collapse and another huge influx of migrants from Romania and Bulgaria will speed up that collapse. That has nothing to do with an unreasonable fear of foreigners, it is a financial fact.
Our benefits system struggles to prove abuse by people born here, so will find to nigh on impossible to trace abuse by people from within the EU.

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let me see 1.49m benefit claimants in the UK out of which 50k are from EUA8 (eastern European countries that had their work restrictions lifted 2 years ago). So that would be 3.3%, yeap flooding the system, lol

In case you are also wondering immigrants from EUA8 have approx 87% employment, slightly above the national average of 86% ish depending on how you count the figures.

I think you need to look closer to home to see where the real problem lies.

oneman said:

I think you need to look closer to home to see where the real problem lies.

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What do you think the real problem is?