motorised satellite sending me crazy

[gray60]

hello everyone, could someone please help me trying to set up my tm 2600 motor with my tm 5400 for about a week now, just getting to the state of jumping off my ladder i did find thor0 .8 deg then i exit menu to scan and it dissapeared i think i have followed the manual correctly but nothing seems to do what it suppose to,even changed the sat cable no probs with line of sight pole is dead right, today managed to find eurobird 9 thought i would look at the motor and its on 15 deg, i know its probaly me messed something up but what?i would be very gratful if someone could put me in the right direction
regards graham
(thought retirement was suppose to be fun)

 

[ksmith]

gray I have a v box drives my motor dish,,
when i sold my tech for a spider,,
the sats were then already in place...

 

[dazman1122]

This is a great guide from digidude.
https://www.digitalworldz.co.uk/index.php?threads/89757/

Kindest regards

 

[Zorch]

Hi ksmith,

The v-box is used to convert DiSEqC signals to 36v to drive non-DiSEqC motors/actuators... however... gray60 states that he has a TM 2600 DiSEqC motor on his dish... so he doesn't need to convert DiSEqC signals to 36v

I have to use something similar to drive the 36v motor on my 1.2m Fibo gregorian dish...

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Best Wishes,
Zorch

 

[gray60]

thanks for the help so far i am away for a few days so i cant play, but will continue when i get back
regards graham.

 

[Timelord]

gray you only been up n down ladder for a week, summer coming and you should look at it as a keep fit regime,
i was up ladder all jan. n feb last year, i got there without meter etc. in the end, and so will you. Plenty of good people on here will put you right, if you are patient enuff it will come together, keep the faith, regards TM.

 

[wiz569]

Also remember the scale on the motor itself is not relevant m8,28.2e on the dish/telly wont be 28.2 on the motors scale

 

[digidude]

how good is your maths............

the E-W scale on the dish is only a rough guide, and its only any good if the receiver, and the motor, is set up properly, and dependant on WHERE you are, itll be slightly different for everyone

the 0 degrees on the motor, will need to pointing DUE south, NOT!!!!! magnetic south, so, if you happen to live in london, then 0 degrees will be south, but, if you live inst davids, west wales, then 5.2 degrees west will be south, if you live in great yarmouth, then 1.7 degrees east will be south, everywhere in between would need to be adjusted accordingly, confused yet? this is the easy bit lol

the satellites position, is its position above the equator, east or west of 0 degrees, so, 13E is positioned at 13 degrees east of 0 degrees, 30W is positioned at 30 degrees west of south

if you are positioned at 3 degrees west (newport for example) then DUE SOUTH, when the motor shows 0 degrees, is actually 3 degrees west on the satellites map, so on the motor, 13E would actually show as 16E, but, 30W would actually show as 27W, as 13E is actually 16 degrees east of 3 degrees west, but 30W is only 27 degrees west of 3 degrees west

add to that the elevation of the dish (up and down), ensure the latitude on the scale on the side of the motor is set correctly, otherwise, youll NEVER get it alaigned correctly

 

[neorage]

like others have said when i have set up dishes few key things

make sure the pole is plumb.. ( as in vertical)

point the motor due south.. make sure its set to 0 and reset it...

tune to thor or astra.. and then adjust to get the best signal..

once a good lock tighten up anmd tune toanother satalite..

and then tweak as needed between your east and west satalites..

if you have a meter will help, else will be a try and hope.. i found looking at the sky dishes helped me get a good lock on astra when i didnt have a meter and then just tweaked here and there to get the best signal poossible

 

[headwest]

Assuming your using usals then don't forget to enter your lattitude and longitude in the usals setting otherwise your motor won't offset correctly for your location.

 

[gray60]

hi everyone, thank you all for the help you have given me so far, been away for a few days on my return went back to my problems,found my dish had moved out of position due to strong winds i live on dartmoor high up so now have moved my dish lower (no more ladders headwest:happysmile i got a signal on thor about 75% quality and signals from5 deg w to 13 e but that is it sure my dish is correct but not checked it to to-day 4deg and raining! elevation is correct on the manuel settings using usals set longitude and lattitude the dish is 85cm so how have i messed this up? is it best to reset and start again but i could end up in the same situation,which is the best for a novice like me usals or diseqc.
regards graham.

 

[headwest]

Check your pole is perfectly plum. Had a nightmare last week setting ip a 1m motorised. I thought I'd checked the pole was correct, after an age I decided to recheck and it had moved! Setting up then just took a few mins.

 

[wolftje]

SO but where does this person live. city country ? Use googlemaps (or dishpointer)
We should start with that then we can give him exact instructions how to allign on which satellite to start from(straight line motor/dish - 0 point -) also the elevation of the motor is described in the manual of the tm2600 depending on yr location.

it is true, first time setup is hell( we can all agree on that no ?)

Yeah 1 week ladder sport is ok. You should be happy with that. I had to climb through a window then upto a roof then a ladder against a chimney. Lovely view though ...

 

[gray60]

hi
wolftje,thank you for the reply i live in the uk sw england on dartmoor nearest city exeter my longtitude is -3.760 and latitude is50.6601 so i set my motor at 51 latitude and 3.7 longtitude my dish angle was set at 22.5 its a very windy aera so i lowered my dish after checking my pole ifound it a fraction out, the dish would of been under the arc ( i think) because thor and the nearest satellites were giving me 75% quality 13 deg e was my limit and 5 deg w ,thanks for spending your time on me regards graham. forgot to mention my motor settings i set were 51latitude and elevation 39

 

[gray60]

hi everyone, dont know if im right but just visited dishpointer and thinking it could be my trees causing the problem,i have 85cm dish which is 2mtr off the ground the distance from dish to trees is 34 mtr the height of the trees is 21mtr i did read a thread which stated that trees 10 mtr high would just get asignal with the dish ground level and 20 mtr away based on that trees at 21 mtr = dish 40mtr away am i right ? i have reieved a signal from thor0.8 around 70% but not all the time, i would be very gratful if someone could confirm my thoughts are right,because im on the brink of losing the plot. regards graham.

 

[wolftje]

Hi,
i checked yr settings, approx sidmouth uk i guess.
if the trees are 21mtr and you are 2 meter off the ground then you should be at a minimum distance of (21-2) x 2 = 38-40 meters from the trees.(you remember trigonometry ? (this is the mathematics for an angle of 27-28-29-30 degrees in order to capture satellite Astra in europe approx. Dishpointer is a good place to start if you want to be 100% sure about the elevation thing.


I would use 4W amos in yr case as this would be the highest point in yr curve. But difficult reception (110cm) but surely you will be able to find some transponders active for reception-max tuning.
Look for some FTA channels on kingofsat.net : Amos 2 / Amos 3 (4°W) - All transmissions - frequencies - KingOfSat

Look here for sat beams en footprints & Dishsize - reception : SatBeams - Satellite Coverage Maps - Sat Footprint Intelsat 10-02 (Intelsat 1002, Intelsat Alpha-2, Intelsat X-02, IS-1002) / Thor 5 (Thor 2R) / Thor 6 (IS-1W)


Depending on yr location (look up the table in yr manual) y need to set elevation of motor and the dish(do not forget)
and of course depending on yr pool setup there will be some fiddling required afterwards changing elevation by very small mm. I looked it up for you lat 51 : elevation 39 motor and approx 22,6 for dish when aimed to true south.

If i'm wrong please correct , i'm sure there are more experienced people in here than myself

 

[gray60]

Hi wolftje, thanks for your detailed information, i have now decided to resite my dish again (attempt number 4) going back to the side of the house where i had my fixed dish installed with no problems, it will take me further away from the trees to about another 11 mtr so in total i will be 45 mtr which is outside your 38to 40mtrs well im about to start so what could go wrong lol thanks again for all your help. regards graham.

 

[gray60]

hi evertone a big thank you for all your help,at last im nearly there moved my dish to the east side of the house and can get thor to turksat the only thing is the further east i go better quality the signal,bit wary of changing at moment but really pleased i have done this with all your help and the threads that i have read. regards graham. ( the wordlz will here fom me again)

 

[wolftje]

this means the 'arc' is a bit out of 'sync', but not much as you already saw. the arc could be too low or high or true south should be a bit more right -left, it could be only a matter of changing the elevation up/down by half a mm of yr dish when pointing to the true south(amos), you will only be able to pinpoint this by using a sat analyzer/finder who can see strength / quality / After-Ber or -of course- just by trying , that is the 'fiddling' part which we all had to go through in order to maximize the signal for the whole 'arc'.

It is a good thing when going east yr signal goes up (which is normal , those satellites are mostly very easy to get), going west, if you can get Thor 1w, Nilesat 7W and Hispasat 30W at 60%-70% you have done a good job. And beware those satellites will only have 70% reception on certain transponders not on all of them.