Remember Maggie

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done a search on google for opression an came across this, seems like historys repeating itself with the conservatives, remember this auld boot


20 REASONS WHY I HATE THATCHER

1. As Education secretary under Edward Heath in a foretaste of what is to come, stops free milk for school children. No chance of the widely praised 'free fruit' scheme ever being Tory policy! She later deregulates school meals so all they have on the menu is burger and chips! The health of the nation was not something Thatcher thought any of her concern.

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2. Shamelessly uses the 'race card' to get elected PM in 1979! (Though I wont claim her to be the first Tory leader to use this and certainly not the last!) "We are being flooded!" she asserts despite figures showing emigration higher than immigration and immigration at its lowest post-war level. Her idols are Keith Joseph (who ruined his own chance of being leader with a demon eyed rant on TV about sterilising the poor (I jest not!!)) and Enoch Powell (the 'intellectual' racist). She promotes Keith 'Eugenics' Joseph to Education Minister!

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3. Monetarism! Disastrous policy of trying to control money supply. In the first of her two recessions (the worst since the 1930's), one fifth of our industrial base is wiped out and unemployment is more than doubled, there are summer riots in every inner-city in the country. Not bad for her first 2 years in office! In the first of many U-turns (see point on 'myth of strong leader'), she abandons monetarism. Polls predict Labour landslide and despite the resolute support of the press, she is the most unpopular PM on record. How could she possibly get out of this one?

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4. The Falklands! In a gross piece of incompetence (or was it deliberate?) fails to avert the Falklands crisis by ignoring intelligence on the Argentine preparation for invasion in early 1982. Indeed she seems to positively encourage it by proposing scrapping the only warship we have there and having her defence secretary Nicholas Ridley openly say we didn't want the Falklands, thereby giving the impression we are not bothered about the islands! In 1978 when faced with the same intelligence, the Labour government quietly averts a war through diplomatic channels by threatening to send a taskforce. It's the classic tale, to divert attention from disastrous economic policies at home a crooked leader engages in a foreign war (except I'm not talking about Galtieri!). Perhaps Thatcher was getting advise from some of the brutal dictatorships she helped prop up in South America, "Would you like some more tea Mr Pinochet?". Number of British soldiers killed, 278, Argentines, 3000+. Blood on her hands anyone?

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5. Destruction of local democracy. The beauty of not having a written constitution, having the backing of the press, having a massive majority in parliament (despite only getting 42% of the vote, less than 1 in 3 of the electorate) and having a permanent inbuilt Tory hereditory second chamber is that Tory PMs can do whatever they like. If you dont like local democracy because they vote for someone else, just abolish it like Thatcher did and centralise everything from Whitehall and unelected Quangos who you carefully select. (Yes, Thatcher invented Quasi Autonomous Non-Governmental Organisations.) The popular GLC was scrapped despite over 80% of Londoners being opposed. Londoners have to wait over 13 years before getting an assembly back and electing Livingstone as its leader once again.

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6. Politicising the civil service. See point about QUANGOs above. Also if you dont like what statistics the statistics office is publishing, make sure you stop them collecting the statistics and stop them publishing them. The figures that were published on individual wealth and earnings each year were abolished in this way. The Office for National Statistics like the Bank of England was made independent by this Labour government and yes they have started publishing the wealth and earnings figures again.

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7. Regressive Taxation. Under Thatcher VAT increased from 8% to 17.5% and was also levied on utility bills for the first time as well. What she gave the rich in income tax cuts she took from the poor in indirect taxation. The proportion of GDP spent by the government under Thatcher stayed fairly static at around 40%. The difference was that rather than spend it on the NHS, housing or education she spent the money on defence, a massive expansion of the civil service (see point 6), paying the huge unemployment bill, and rising police salaries to keep them loyal in the face of massive civil unrest. The best part of all was that she shifted the burden of payment for all this onto the poor from the rich.

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8. The widening gap between rich and poor. This might not be such a bad thing if the gap had not been so massive in the first place. How can the richest 50% owning 97% of the wealth be fair? This was her starting position she moved wealth almost exclusively to the richest 10% at the expense of the poorest 50%.

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9. Spend, spend, spend! Abolishing credit controls seemed such a good idea, the economy booms on a consumer spending bubble....cue second crippling recession. Thanks Margaret! Not to mention the misery caused to millions of people suckered into debts and negative equity! Spend, spend, spend also applied to government borrowing which despite claims of financial prudence increased massively under Thatcher to fund income tax cuts for the rich.

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10. Homelessness for the young. Why should homelessness be the preserve of ageing tramps who remember the 1930's. No! Thatcher thought the opportunities should be open to all. Young beggars on the streets were Thatcher's invention. The legacy of massive youth unemployment and crime no-go areas for the police are still being fought today. There is a whole generation of people where crime and welfare culture was their only way of surviving and it became their mindset.

11. The Poll Tax! Regardless of how you view this in theory, apart from its regressive nature, it quite plainly was unworkable. They knew that it was going to be ridiculously expensive to collect, that there was overwhelming opposition to it (it ruined the 1991 census) and was going to mean massive non-payment and it was responsible for some of the worst rioting ever seen in central London but they pressed ahead anyway. Another U-turn inevitably came!

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12. The myth of the strong leader. This was a total invention of the press. Thatcher's only strength (if you could call it that) was that she had no principles at all! She was an anti-smoking campaigner who ended up on the payroll of British American Tobacco. She had to do a U-turn on her 'flagship' economic policy after 2 years because she had wrecked the economy (see point 3) (This was just one year after her famous speech in 1980 where she assured the party faithful she was going to stick to monetarist policies-"You turn if you want to...the lady's not for turning"-yeah right!!). The Poll Tax was a disaster which she had to U-turn on (but too late to save her from being stabbed in the back!). She went to Europe saying she was against federalism but signed its most federalist law (the Single European Act in 1986). She later claimed she was tricked on this. Did she even know what she was doing? Some strong leader that is! And to top it all off, even in departure she was weak. "I fight on, I fight to win" she said in her pompous way before quietly resigning hours later when confronted by Ministers like Geoffrey Howe!!! It was the final U-turn from a weak puppet leader whose only qualities (as far as the Tories were concerned) were she did what she was told.

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13. Degradation of the social professions. Social workers were virtually denounced as criminals! Teachers were so derided and there pay so eroded it barely survived as a profession and things like mental health, just loose them out on the streets, Thatcher's government didnt care what they did!

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14. Victorian Values. Yes before its Back to Basics successor under Major, Thatcher promised to take us back to Victorian morality and she nearly succeeded. We were not far away from child labour and seething slums of humanity and disease. I reckon Thatcher needed one more term for that!! She also took care to defend to the hilt her countless Ministers who were caught with their trousers down or hands in the till or both in some cases! Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer (3 times), Jonathon Aitkin (twice)... etc. etc. the list goes on.

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15. "There is no such thing as society". Did Thatcher foresee the 'playstation' generation? Selfishness as a virtue seemed to sum up her warped sense of morality to me.

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16. Over-privatisation and overt corruption. Oh the beauty of it, a totally dominant monopoly privatised at a discount price to big business (lots of it foreign owned) so they can cream off profits to their hearts content. Who can do without Water, Gas, Electricity? We can charge what we like! Plus we get the bonus of nice jobs on more Quangos OfWat, OfGas, Of-with taxpayers cash we go. With Ministers interchanging between the boardrooms of the newly privatised companies and the regulating boards on massive salaries. Even husband and wife teams, remember Mr and Mrs Howe, one a consultant with a privatised firm, his wife the regulator. Anyone for insider dealing calls out Mrs Archer! Oh jolly good show! Even industries that plainly werent feasible for privatisation like bus and rail, go for it, it wont hurt. And what shall we do with the money my dear? Well my son Mark has shares in a nice defence firm! Rather, still some left over for a nice reduction in the top rate of income tax as well.

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17. Even public service broadcasting couldnt escape. Relentless bullying of the BBC was started by Thatcher, she took this to a new level with Tebbit and various other ministers calling it the Bolshevic Broadcasting Company because it failed to replicate Sun editorial lines in its news broadcasts. In one of her last acts she even managed to wreck Channel 4' s public service commitment by changing its funding situation from one of subscription from ITV who sold its advertising space to total dependence on advertising.

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18. The divisiveness of the North-South divide in wealth. Look at the political map and you can still see where the Conservatives win most of their seats in the South East because of this.

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19. Regular winter crises in the NHS became the norm. The Tories argued these were inevitable because we couldnt afford to fund the NHS properly. There are no winter crises anymore!

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20. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher. This is probably the most surprising statistic of the lot when you consider the Tories so called strong standing on law and order. It just goes to demonstrate why we need a history lesson about Thatcher and not the lies printed in the right wing owned press.
 
Well most people hated her BUT at least she never took any shite from the mad Euro bureaucrats and she stood firm against the Argies, have to admire her for that tbh
 
i have to admire her for nothing! she was a disgrace.

Thats your opinion your entitled to that, I do admire her for the reasons I said

I have to just say I didn't like her or 99% of her or the tory policies, I just think no matter what you say or think about her she was what they called her "Iron Lady" you sometimes need people like her in government no matter how much we hate them
 
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Discuss politics all you want but keep the malicious comments to yourself !
 
gutted i didnt see the posts that were removed lol

just unsure how you can admire someone you disagree with 99% of the time? i can only assume from your admiration your south of watford and from a very well off family..
 
gutted i didnt see the posts that were removed lol

just unsure how you can admire someone you disagree with 99% of the time? i can only assume from your admiration your south of watford and from a very well off family..

They were OTT Colin, and while I can sympathise with the revulsion felt towards her, they were best removed.

I don't think many of our English members can quite appreciate just how much this woman was hated and despised north of the border.
 
fair enough Nara if someone has taken it too far fair enough best removed but yeah she destroyed a lot of lifes north of the border..
 
She was the best Prime Minister this country ever had,she took no crap from anyone and made tough decisions in tough times,it's a pity following Prime Ministers have never had a pair of balls like Maggie,God love her!!!
 
Hmm, that reminds me, where did I put that Thatcher voodoo doll!!
 
She was the best Prime Minister this country ever had,she took no crap from anyone and made tough decisions in tough times,it's a pity following Prime Ministers have never had a pair of balls like Maggie,God love her!!!

your on the wind up surely?
 
anyone thats says she was a great prime minister must have had a privilaged background with no money worries or them or/and their parents made money from her policies, the witch split the social divide wide open and it was the people living hand to mouth that felt her so called great reign as pm, she ripped the heart out of proud hard working men, suicide rates were also alot higher than when labour were in power and yes they were idiots to, but at least labour didnt kill the working mans pride to the extent she did
 
anyone thats says she was a great prime minister must have had a privilaged background with no money worries or them or/and their parents made money from her policies, the witch split the social divide wide open and it was the people living hand to mouth that felt her so called great reign as pm, she ripped the heart out of proud hard working men, suicide rates were also alot higher than when labour were in power and yes they were idiots to, but at least labour didnt kill the working mans pride to the extent she did
I am and still do live on a working class estate in the midlands, we had it rough in the early eightys like anyone else.The only privilage i've had is to work for a living and when things got tough get off me arse and do something about it. The so called witch your on about took away the powers of the unions,who were on a self destruct agenda,to give real power to the people that wanted to work and try without all the crap that came with it.The real people who hurt the working class was the unions,who frightened people witless,backed by labour non the less.Scargill and his mob of thugs destroyed any hope of the labour working class in the eighties and tarnished the miners for life!!!
 
This post only has one objective and that is to stir up trouble amongst DW members.

Maggie was not the best nor the worst PM this country has ever had, she gave the opportunity to the not so well off council tenants to purchase their own homes and putting them on the property ladder, she also stood up to the Argies with little or no help from our allies who thought they could just go and take something away from us that didn’t belong to them.

See you don’t mention that Scottish PM whatever his name was who nearly brought the economy to its knees and built up a huge debt and allegedly assisted scotish minsters to release that Megrahi bomber on compassionate grounds 18 months ago
 
This post only has one objective and that is to stir up trouble amongst DW members.

Maggie was not the best nor the worst PM this country has ever had, she gave the opportunity to the not so well off council tenants to purchase their own homes and putting them on the property ladder, she also stood up to the Argies with little or no help from our allies who thought they could just go and take something away from us that didn’t belong to them.

See you don’t mention that Scottish PM whatever his name was who nearly brought the economy to its knees and built up a huge debt and allegedly assisted scotish minsters to release that Megrahi bomber on compassionate grounds 18 months ago


Or that Scottish chancellor that was there to build such a great economy......

Thatcher is a figure of hate in Scotland because of what she done to the people, she's made some impression on us up here.....

Cheers
MFCGAVMFC
 
Maggie was like marmite, some people loved her, some hated her. Pretty much most of Scotland hated her because her policies decimated heavy industry here and destroyed her own party in Scotland in the process. She didn't care becuase her own support was south of the border.

Gorden Brown wasn't the reason the ecconomy collapsed he was just left holding the ball at the end. The whole western world is in recession is he to blame for that?

I do remember her and my heart sank when the torries won the last election.

thebigman
 
This post only has one objective and that is to stir up trouble amongst DW members.

Maggie was not the best nor the worst PM this country has ever had, she gave the opportunity to the not so well off council tenants to purchase their own homes and putting them on the property ladder, she also stood up to the Argies with little or no help from our allies who thought they could just go and take something away from us that didn’t belong to them.

See you don’t mention that Scottish PM whatever his name was who nearly brought the economy to its knees and built up a huge debt and allegedly assisted scotish minsters to release that Megrahi bomber on compassionate grounds 18 months ago

yep your right scotland was to blame for the economy in every country falling on its arse..
 
They were OTT Colin, and while I can sympathise with the revulsion felt towards her, they were best removed.

I don't think many of our English members can quite appreciate just how much this woman was hated and despised north of the border.

my post OTT, surly not?

I'm not from north of the border. Indeed i worked all the way through her destruction of our country. I may well have been ok, through that time, but i saw first hand how destructive here policy's were.

odd how we can say how we would like to treat a paedophile. yet when it comes to somebody who caused so much suffering, to so many, its OTT!

Elvis Costello, Spike, Tramp the dirt down. I'll wager I'm not on my own, by a long way!
 
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