y RU?

[dudley0123]

Why bother with RU hexes? RU hexes only support people without their own MK01 and PPUA... i.e. freeloaders who pay nothing atall to IT\/ digital.

So why in this forum at least... which has preached in the past to pay the minimum subs to IT\/ digital to give them a slight chance in staying afloat... is there so much support given for RU hexes? Am I missing the point about the likes of kevlar and omega? Is there something they do which i've seriously overlooked? The AU hex's seem more reliable in resisting ecm's so i don't beleive its just a case of they're better hex's. The only advantage i can think of is PPV for some idt\/s.

...duds..

 

[zxcvbn]

Your last sentence answers your own question m8.<br />not everyone on this board is clued up with ppv Id's. RU is much easier.

 

[cosmoss]

Dudley, I think the point that you are missing is that it's peoples personal choice which hex's they use, I have a valid PPUA/MK01, I am also fully aware of how to Program AU/RU & MOSC's, but I choose to use A RU hex (Kevlar). Although AU hex's maybe more resiliant against ECM's for some people this depends on whereabouts you live and which STB you have, I personally over the last year or so have found RU to be more stable than AU, but that isn't neccesarily the case for everyone.

You could take this one step further and say why support AU hex's when everyone with a valid PPUA/MK01 could use a MOSC which are even more resilient than AU hex's.

At the end of the day these hex's are out there and should people choose to use them, why not share there knowledge and experiences with others.

 

[mouse]

I use a mosc for normal viewing and a goldie for watching ppv.This is easier than changing the info on a mosc every month and also my mosc never gets hit on normal viewing.<br />ps I pay minimum subs

 

[dudley0123]

As far as personal choice goes, RU may be better for some but in my guessing, and it is only a guess (but i reckon a pretty accurate one), i'm under the opinion that viewers using an RU hex are mainly people without subs (hence no MK01 and PPUA) and therefore also watching on stolen STBs, screwing IT\/ digital in more ways than they need right now. IT\/ dig have never sold or given away any STBs as far as i'm aware, they remain their property and yours to use as long as you have a subscription. Don't tell me people without subs have forked out the 300 odd quid for a legit STB from Pace, Philips or Nokia? As is commonly admitted here, instead they've given false details to IT\/ digital, or bought the box second hand from someone who has.

I'm not aware of digital terrestrial decoders on sale yet to the public unless you buy an idt\/, which the extreme minority of IT\/ digital viewers watch on. In the next couple of months Pace will be releasing cheap terrestrial decoders, and then there will be even less excuse for people to get the minimum sub because RUs can be used instead.

My argument is that RU hexes mainly serve people determined not to give IT\/ digital squat. They a hard enough job trying to sell a very limited product due to the bandwidth available to them compared to the other digital t\/ providers, but yet provide a a decent service to many people. Anybody without a sub/watching on stolen boxes are eventually going to ruin it for the rest of us.

Cosmoss, you say that the RU hexes are out there and therefore we should share our experiences with them, well so are traders which i believe are just as detrimental to digital t\/ as the RU hexes but sharing our knowledge and tips on trading is shunned (and rightly so!). Traders and RU hexes go hand in hand, seeing as they mostly sell goldies with RU hexes.

Ultimately what i'm getting at is RU shouldnt be promoted, and instead encourage viewers to get a minimum sub so they can make AUs and MOSCs

...duds..

p.s. apologies for my deeply cynical attitude now... i am playing the devil's advocate... so I won't mind any <img src="graemlins/flame.gif" border="0" alt="[flame]" /> flaming! <img src="graemlins/flame.gif" border="0" alt="[flame]" />

[ 22 January 2002: Message edited by: dudley ]</p>

 

[magnet]

dudley, did u know that these new terrestial boxes coming out don`t how a slot for a card as far as i know, so they won`t get free i*v dig.

 

[speccy]

Point taken Dud

 

[countryboy]

hold back a little are u tell us that its ok to steal some channles from i**.d. ok where do you draw the line maybe we should just use the cards for ppv ..doh that would be stealing or maybe we should just close all the web sites down then there would be no info around then again you could come off your high horse and admit your doing the same as everyone else....or break all your card and programers and pay i**.d. the money you owe them dont forget to back date it lol <img src="graemlins/baby.gif" border="0" alt="[baby]" />

 

[dudley0123]

magnet, i'm not to sure on the spec of the new pace boxes, but it looks like its gonna be the DTR500:

<a href="http://www.pace.co.uk/paceproducts/product.asp?section=DT&product=170" target="_blank">http://www.pace.co.uk/paceproducts/product.asp?section=DT&product=170</a>

It shows an IT\/ dig card in an integrated CAM at the back of the box. But, you might be right, as the £99 box might be a downgraded version of this model with no integrated CAM.

And countryboy, we are all stealing so we should perch ourselves on one high horse or the other and draw the line by deciding what we consider is right and wrong ** piracy. After all its only decent to limit the loss the IT\/ digital, which in turn will help us to make sure these channels stay on the air. So matey that high horse is essential if u want IT\/ digital to stay around.

On this forum the line has always been drawn as: no trading and give the minimum back. However by encouraging and supporting use of RU, it contradicts this forum's ethos by showing people how to watch with no sub on their stolen boxes.

...duds..

 

[hannibal]

He does have alot of valid points.... <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

 

[countryboy]

my box isnt stolen and i do pay i think its 10 pounds a month and i use both cards a remote card as well as my org card for when they takes a mad fit and scamble everything i just dont like people getting high and mighty also the rights and wrongs dont come into it theft is theft . i dont want to argue but i think everyone who uses r/u card dont pay a sub or that thier box is stolen and you can use a/u cards on a box without a sub too they have one in my local the bar manager bought it from a punter. anyway i dont want them to go under either its not a bad service for a tenner a month

 

[mouse]

Dudley I am having trouble understanding.<br />Do you want all the rules to be thrown out of the window and allow a free for all for all the traders to sell cards on the forum or do you want to censor everyone so that they can not pass on any information about anything that may break the law.We have to have some form of control and that is that we don't want traders on the site but we have to stop somewhere or no one would be allowed to post anything.<br />The question is do you pay anything to I** digital and how much do you steal from them.Have you heard the saying about glass houses because in my experience the people that shout the most are the ones that are the biggest culprits.If you are paying the full subs why don't you switch to sly digital where the service is much better.

 

[cosmoss]

duds you have made some very good points there, but what i would like to know is how do you know that traders are using RU hexes??

It's very easy to get hold of valid PPUA/MK01's off the internet so what's stopping traders from using those and (as you say) making more reliable cards with AU hex's?

At the end of the day I believe that we need as many working hex's available as possible, particularly with the number of ECM's being transmitted right now, this site does NOT promote traders but can we really stop them from reading the information on here?? and by refusing to promote RU hex's we could well be restricting our own access to Free Digital T.V.

 

[dudley0123]

countryboy, i'm glad u pay the minimum subs and chose to use an RU card... but i think u are the minority of RU users who do pay subs. Theft is theft, and i completely agree but if i can reiterate the point i made before, if we are going to steal, lets draw the line somewhere in order to preserve the service and not drain it till it dies.

mouse, i don't follow. I never asked all the rules to be thrown out the window and traders allowed in for a free for all. We are breaking the law but on this forum to what extent we can do that in this forum at least. All I want the ideals of this forum (no trading, and give the minimum back) to be adhered to, RU cards don't seem to fall in line with this boards ideals. They are ideals, and by their definition will be very difficult if not impossible to attain, but there's nothing wrong with aiming for them surely? If we do it'll help us the get cheap digital ** and it\/ dig to stay in business.

I pay the minimum subs (just like i preached). Why would i be on this board and arguing in this thread condoning ** piracy if i paid the full subscription package????

Cosmoss, once again i’m only guessing from reading posts on this and other boards from people who have foolishly bought from traders, the ones who’ve inspected their cards at some point usually find kevlar loaded on them. My theory is traders want the cards to expire after a month or two so they can make more money re-programming them, so the RU hexes are ideal for them. I agree we need as many hexes as possible to get round the ECMs, but from my experience and from reading other viewers experiences on this board RU hexs never seem to have an advantage over MOSCs or AUs.

I suppose all i’m suggesting is that users on this board should just point people towards the AU/MOSC solution with a minimum sub rather than recommending RU cards.

 

[cosmoss]

Originally posted by dudley:<br /><strong>countryboy, i'm glad u pay the minimum subs and chose to use an RU card... but i think u are the minority of RU users who do pay subs. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I would be interested to know how accurate this is Dudley, as I also pay the minimum subs but very rarely use anything other than Kevlar.

So, could all minimum-subscription payers please post on here and tell us which hex you use the most, AU or RU. (Or MOSC)

 

[geoffthechef]

father christmas is still alive and well.do you really think that if all of us subscribed that i*v would lower the price of there full package which is a outragius price to pay. dont forget this is multi national buissness here who if they could if they got a way with it pay the very low minnimum wage they care jack sh*t about us and will always pay there staff the least they could get away with. profit before people is the norm for these companys.I detest these people and take great plessure in having them off... <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

 

[hartifax]

I pay minimum subs and use Kevlar.

I haven't got a clue what everybodies talking about, but I know that Kevlar does what it says on the tin and works. All the technical mumbo jumbo is a bit redundant when the average bod is barely able to get ANY Hex onto a card.

 

[aldo]

hi m8s i pay min sub got a goldie using mostly kevlar ;im also using a mosc with no ppv thats why i use a goldie.

 

[meckie]

I pay more than the minimum amount as I have the magazine and I pay for i*v sport I use kevlar RU hex so not all of us using RU cards pay nothing for i*v d*g*tal I think we should all pay something or else the firm will go under which would be a big loss.

 

[mfinlayson]

Hi,<br />I've been a member of the site for about 6 months. I use RU codes and pay the minimum subs. I have also passed on the site name to 4 others. All now have Elvis programmers and use RU codes(while paying the minimum subs). For one reason RU's are easy to use. Its how most people get started. A lot (like me) will be put off with the thought of AU's due to the warnings such as "Please remember this is not for beginners as if you screw up you could render your original card inoperable - be warned." This site is great as it helps people to get started, while pointing out that paying the minimum subs will allow everyone to benefit.

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