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Electricans beware....an new Reg Part P

Discussion in 'General DIY and Home Appliances' started by MH, Sep 3, 2004.

  1. MH

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    Yip the govenment has screwed us again.

    Any of who do not work in that field anymore but are qualified electricians, will not be allowed to do any major electrical work at home without first completing the goverments new competent person scheme. This comes into force on the 1st January 2004.

    This site is designed primarily for firms that carry out fixed electrical installation work in dwellings in England and Wales and want to be able to self-certify that their work complies with the Building Regulations once Part P (electrical safety) is implemented on 1st January 2005.

    The Part 'P' Competent Person Scheme offered here was approved by the Secretary of State on 29th June 2004.

    It is provided by BRE Certification Ltd, with the support and cooperation of the Electrical Contractors' Association and the IEE.

    More info can be found here :- htp://www.partp.co.uk/
     
  2. Dutcho

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    Is it still ok to change the light bulbs though ?
     
  3. MH

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    Just, you can add a socket, but you cannot extend or add a new electrical extension...

    We are getting as bad as America and Austrailia......

    I may have to pay some twart, to come and do I job, I could do myself but better......
     
  4. MH

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    Contacted the Electrical Contractors Association regarding this, and basicall we a fooked
    their website is www.eca.co.uk

    This is the rely I got from them:-

    So I am going to have to spend almost £1000 so I can legally modify any electrical in my house........
     
  5. Steve

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    hmm ... slightly off topic (as not an electician myself) ... does this mean if I want to change a light fitting in the room (where the ceiling rose goes) I would have to get someone in instead of being able to do it myself now ?

    or am i reading too much into this ?
     
  6. MH

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    No you can still do that:)

    you will be allowed to replace switches, sockets light fittings etc.

    As these are not a modification or a major change to an existing circuit.

    I think "Existing Circuit" is the apt phrase, unless its in the Kitchen, Bathroom, Garden or any other special place as the Building Regs put it
     
  7. Steve

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    ok .. phew ... thats a relief for me ... was just going to rush and do all the electrical work before January 2005 to beat the 'deadline' ... normally mess something up when i mess with electrical stuff and having to rush would be more likely to mess up big time.

    Sorry this new law is going to screw up the qualified electricians like yourself ... perhaps some kind of petition ??
     
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    The good side of this is that kitchen fitter who also is an electrican ( just by chance ) wont now beable to cover up and botch up the electrics and it also should stop cowboy electricians who do shody work and the only knowledge that they really have is the hand outs they read in wicks
     
  9. digidude

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    looks like im no longer a qualified electrician then, bugger going through all that just to do exactly the same as you're doing now
     
  10. Pat.V

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    Here In QLD Australia it is Illegal to perform any kind of Electrical practise unless you are a certified Tradesman or you Hire one. Whether that be Domestic, Commercial or Industrial.
     
  11. damage

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    only just read this post as thought it did not concern me as i am not a electrician. but from reading through this does it mean that you can as a owner of a private property you can now no longer do any electrical work in your own home apart from replace switches, sockets light fittings etc. i am installing a shower now. and have run all the cables and wired it all up just not connected to the consumer unit yet so in jan 2005 i would not be able to do this without paying someone to check i have done the work correctly. or would i not be able to do the job and have to pay for someone to install the shower (and how the fook will they know if its been done after jan 2005 lol)
     
  12. MH

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    You can still do the work, if you are qualified, but you WILL have to get it certified by an Electrican who is a certified "Competent Person".

    So basically we are all fooked, and have to pay some twart to go, yes thats safe.
     
  13. bluesboy

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    How they gunna stop me in my own house.!!!
     
  14. MH

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    You will see the new cables will be a differnet colours and will have dates on them,

    So if an accident occurs in your house due to an electrical fault, your insurance company will not pay out
     
  15. damage

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    i can see a black market opening up for old cable then lol
     
  16. MH

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    yeah, I have already aquired my stocks.....£50 a metre.....:)
     
  17. bluesboy

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    Mairy I think the lead on mine is worth that lol
     
  18. Spikeman

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    So this is where the consumer gets ripped off for little jobs by so called Part P qualifieds - just like the plumbing trade.

    No offence to honest plumbers BUT my mother had a major on her boiler and needed a replacement. The boiler to buy stock is around £650 including the fittings. A new set of contros if you want them are around £35 plus the valve or £70 for a kit of two and the programmer. A bit of pipe cost nothing.

    My mother had to pay £1700 for just the boiler install and a power flush!

    Now the install I can do legally but the commisioning I can't as I am not Corgi and I understand the reasons behind BUT When the so called Corgi Registered plumber just plumbs it in and makes no adjustments - even I could do that.

    Since then the gas board has adjusted for her FOC under her contract!

    Oh and the power flush has left a residue in the system that has now gone through the over flow and ruined the paint work on her car.

    Perhaps we could start the a trend by putting all our services onto Ebay. Lets start the bidding at £4k for a fusebox change!
     
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    The funniest part is that in industry such as a car making plant you don't need any formal qualifications - which is what this is becoming. People are generally time served and with the right qualifications like me. Some of us are familiar with the wiring regs but then there are others.

    The clincher for me is that the company will not allow any of it's electricians to go on a regs course as it is seen as personal gain!!

    I will do some enquires maybe we could start an online registration scheme??? Make a cost effective way of sparks gaining teh right doccuments and in the same time making a small profit - which could be used to help fund DW - what do you think?
     
  20. MH

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    There is a way, where and individual, who is not part of a contracting company to become part p certified, but I aint looked into that yet
     

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